Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Do you think it's time to revamp every capitals ?
They all should have the trading post, portals room, etc

Don't see what the purpose of this would be when you would still spend most of your time in the main expansion hub anyways, as that is closer to where you want to go at any one time.

What old capitals need are more reason to go there. Ironforge being the main hub for Alliance Brewfest and Winter Veil is a good example, but you could have more.

[Varodoc]

Don't see what the purpose of this would be when you would still spend most of your time in the main expansion hub anyways, as that is closer to where you want to go at any one time.

What old capitals need are more reason to go there. Ironforge being the main hub for Alliance Brewfest and Winter Veil is a good example, but you could have more.

So that you can spent time in the other old world cities without having to be in Stormwind/Orgrimmar all the time. If you're not a Mage, you need to be in Stormwind/Orgrimmar, because that's the only place that has connection to the Dragon Isles.

Why do this? Why can't the other cities get connection to the Dragon Isles too? Why can't Ironforge/Exodar/Thunder Bluff/Silvermoon/Boralus/Dazar'alor also get a portal to the Dragon Isles? What is the function of limiting important portals to Stormwind/Orgrimmar?

At least Blizzard is starting to leave this stupid mentality "EVERYTHING ONLY IN STORMWIND/ORGRIMMAR!!!" by giving various portals to Bel'ameth and putting some useful NPC services and a boat to Gilneas.

It's going to be very funny when Stormwind gets the Dornogal portal instead of Ironforge. Because God forbid Blizzard gives relevance to other cities besides Stormwind and Orgrimmar (which is, by far, the ugliest Horde city btw).

[Makorus]

So that you can spent time in the other old world cities without having to be in Stormwind/Orgrimmar all the time. If you're not a Mage, you need to be in Stormwind/Orgrimmar, because that's the only place that has connection to the Dragon Isles.

Why do this? Why can't the other cities get connection to the Dragon Isles too? Why can't Ironforge/Exodar/Thunder Bluff/Silvermoon/Boralus/Dazar'alor also get a portal to the Dragon Isles? What is the function of limiting important portals to Stormwind/Orgrimmar?

At least Blizzard is starting to leave this stupid mentality "EVERYTHING ONLY IN STORMWIND/ORGRIMMAR!!!" by giving various portals to Bel'ameth and putting some useful NPC services and a boat to Gilneas.

It's going to be very funny when Stormwind gets the Dornogal portal instead of Ironforge. Because God forbid Blizzard gives relevance to other cities besides Stormwind and Orgrimmar (which is, by far, the ugliest Horde city btw).

You act like it's IMPOSSIBLE to get to the Dragon Isles from Silvermoon/Exodar/whatever.

All you need to do is take one portal to Orgrimmar, which literally puts you in the teleport room, and then the Valdrakken portal.

Darnassus/Undercity have portals to Stormwind/Orgrimmar.

If you wanna spend time in those cities, you can. They offer everything that Orgrimmar offers, other than the Trading Post, which, realistically, you will access once a month, and the Portals, but they have Portals to the Portal room.

Even if you gave every capital a portal room, people would still congregate at Stormind/Orgrimmar.

[Lady Atia]

You act like it's IMPOSSIBLE to get to the Dragon Isles from Silvermoon/Exodar/whatever.

All you need to do is take one portal to Orgrimmar, which literally puts you in the teleport room, and then the Valdrakken portal.

Darnassus/Undercity have portals to Stormwind/Orgrimmar.

If you wanna spend time in those cities, you can. They offer everything that Orgrimmar offers, other than the Trading Post, which, realistically, you will access once a month, and the Portals, but they have Portals to the Portal room.

Even if you gave every capital a portal room, people would still congregate at Stormind/Orgrimmar.

Also, I don't really see any reason to get the 5 people who still afk around Org/Stormwind to spread out over some other old cities instead.

[Valysar]

Also, I don't really see any reason to get the 5 people who still afk around Org/Stormwind to spread out over some other old cities instead.

Well, those 5 ppl are just boost spammers, so; no one.

But why not make all capitals attractive ? We can chose wherever we wanna go, it won't change anything for you maybe.

[Makorus]

Well, those 5 ppl are just boost spammers, so; no one.

But why not make all capitals attractive ? We can chose wherever we wanna go, it won't change anything for you maybe.

You can already choose where you want to go.

The only inconvenience is one more loading screen. (And not even that, who doesn't have their HS set to Valdrakken anyway?)

[Dracullus]

Nah, it's better when people hang out in single spot. Valdrakken looks way more crowded than Oribos, cause first time in years there is no AH reserved for Cata capital for some reason, no garrison/class hall/covenant and no faction split. There is nothing more discouraging to play mmo when you log in and see empty space around you.

Cities will be revamped anyway when focus will move there, like Amirdrassil or likely Silvermoon City.

[huth]

Well, those 5 ppl are just boost spammers, so; no one.

But why not make all capitals attractive ? We can chose wherever we wanna go, it won't change anything for you maybe.

Because you can't. The main attraction of a capital is being a meeting spot and hub, and having multiple will just dilute that and make them less attactive. In the end, everybody will congregate in the one closest to where the action is anyway.

We are where we are now because experience has shown that doing it differently is pointless and simply adds more hassle without any meaningful benefits.

[Lady Atia]

Because you can't. The main attraction of a capital is being a meeting spot and hub, and having multiple will just dilute that and make them less attactive. In the end, everybody will congregate in the one closest to where the action is anyway.

We are where we are now because experience has shown that doing it differently is pointless and simply adds more hassle without any meaningful benefits.

Yeah, I mean we even had it recently with Shadowlands and the Covenant Sanctums - people still stayed either in Zereth Mortis or Oribos.

[Xilurm]

Also, I don't really see any reason to get the 5 people who still afk around Org/Stormwind to spread out over some other old cities instead.

Silvermoon EU has tons of people in SW.

[Sondrelk]

People wil always naturally congregate in one spot. That area being where everyone else is, and where stuff is happening. Which is why the answer to making old capitals cibrant again is to add more seasonal events that make specific capitals attractive to spend time in. Move Hallows End to Gilneas in future patches for instance, and make more content for that holiday that incentivizes players to spend time in the capital.

[Grimbold21]

Do you think it's time to revamp every capitals ?
They all should have the trading post, portals room, etc

This request pops up every now and then, and the response generally tends to be the same: No.

It's ironic really. People argue that it's better to have people confined into one hub, but you'll also see people in this forum arguing for more solo content.

It's like the Television situation: some people have it on in their homes without watching it for the illusion of "company".

[Xilurm]

The argument for having everyone in the same capital doesn't make sense.

1 - People don't talk to each other in the capital.
2 - General and Trade chats span all capitals.
3 - On majority of the servers it doesn't even matter because there's barely people there.

There's literally no reason to try and put everyone together in one capital. It doesn't matter.

[Varodoc]

The argument for having everyone in the same capital doesn't make sense.

1 - People don't talk to each other in the capital.
2 - General and Trade chats span all capitals.
3 - On majority of the servers it doesn't even matter because there's barely people there.

There's literally no reason to try and put everyone together in one capital. It doesn't matter.

Notice the fallacy in these pages.

> There are only 5 people hanging around Stormiwnd/Orgrimmar anyway, old-school capital cities are useless!

> ..... But I don't want Ironforge, Bel'ameth or Gilneas to be relevant because then there wouldn't be anyone left in Stormwind/Orgrimmar!

If there is only 5 afk people left in Stormwind/Orgrimmar, then what changes if they add the portal room and trading post to Ironforge, Bel'ameth or Gilneas?

It's like some people can't even remember what world-building is, so consumed by the idea that everything needs to be efficient and gameplay-dominated. Very sad!

Hopefully, Blizzard will say "Screw you Stormwind!" and put the Dornogal portal inside of Ironforge. The Dwarven capital city gets the portal to the Earthen capital city, it's only logical.

[Woggmer]

You act like it's IMPOSSIBLE to get to the Dragon Isles from Silvermoon/Exodar/whatever.

All you need to do is take one portal to Orgrimmar, which literally puts you in the teleport room, and then the Valdrakken portal.

Darnassus/Undercity have portals to Stormwind/Orgrimmar.

If you wanna spend time in those cities, you can. They offer everything that Orgrimmar offers, other than the Trading Post, which, realistically, you will access once a month, and the Portals, but they have Portals to the Portal room.

Even if you gave every capital a portal room, people would still congregate at Stormind/Orgrimmar.

Because it is impossible because of the old code... but not just the portals and Trading Post. Both Stormwind and Orgrimmar is where the Embassies are.

So if you ever make an allied race alt, the first thing they do is use a portal that goes directly to Stormwind/Orgrimmar. You would think that the Dark Irons would go straight to Ironforge because the two are now allies, but no.. they go to Stormwind because that's where the Embassy is.. which is also where CHROMIE is if you want to use Timewalking.

[Xilurm]

Notice the fallacy in these pages.

> There are only 5 people hanging around Stormiwnd/Orgrimmar anyway, old-school capital cities are useless!

> ..... But I don't want Ironforge, Bel'ameth or Gilneas to be relevant because then there wouldn't be anyone left in Stormwind/Orgrimmar!

If there is only 5 afk people left in Stormwind/Orgrimmar, then what changes if they add the portal room and trading post to Ironforge, Bel'ameth or Gilneas?

It's like some people can't even remember what world-building is, so consumed by the idea that everything needs to be efficient and gameplay-dominated. Very sad!

Hopefully, Blizzard will say "Screw you Stormwind!" and put the Dornogal portal inside of Ironforge. The Dwarven capital city gets the portal to the Earthen capital city, it's only logical.

I genuinely think people are scared of how Blizzard (and other gaming companies) use their resources, while having 0 idea of how game development works in the first place.

"There's no need for this to be in the game, because it's not something I want, therefore it's wasted resources."

[Makorus]

Because it is impossible because of the old code... but not just the portals and Trading Post. Both Stormwind and Orgrimmar is where the Embassies are.

So if you ever make an allied race alt, the first thing they do is use a portal that goes directly to Stormwind/Orgrimmar. You would think that the Dark Irons would go straight to Ironforge because the two are now allies, but no.. they go to Stormwind because that's where the Embassy is.. which is also where CHROMIE is if you want to use Timewalking.

How can you not use Darnassus/Ironforge/Silvermoon/Undercity as your hang-out cities because they don't have the Embassy lmao?

The Embassy literally hasn't been used in like 3 years.

[Woggmer]

How can you not use Darnassus/Ironforge/Silvermoon/Undercity as your hang-out cities because they don't have the Embassy lmao?

The Embassy literally hasn't been used in like 3 years.

"Which is also where Chromie is if you want to use timewalking"

For being a dragon of time that is everywhere at once, she sure does love to sit in only two cities and not in other cities.

[Golden Yak]

Here's how I think the saga is gonna play out:

TWW
Gonna go just how Iridikron said: The Harbinger will pry Azeroth from the Titans' grip, meaning that Xal'atath will undo all the Order-magic infusions that the Titans did to try and 'claim' the Worldsoul. Xal'atath will be setting things up for the Worldsoul to be freed from the Titans' influence, leaving it open to be claimed by other forces. Xal'atath will make an effort on her own to claim it for the Void, with her as the final boss of the xpac. She'll be defeated but the Worldsoul is now 'up for grabs,' which leads to:

Midnight
The Void makes an all-out play to claim the Worldsoul now that it's free of Titan influence. Presumably the focus on Quel'thalas and the Sunwell will be to drive the Void's rivals, the Light, from having any kind of foothold of their own. The forces of the Light will likely make a counter-move, not only to dislodge the Void but to try and claim Azeroth for themselves. All out Void-Light war. Hopefully we see a Void Lord, and gain more insight into the Light's inner operations. No sooner will it be resolved then:

Last Titan
The Pantheon shows up in Northrend to get their project started back up. They'll probably decide to Reoriginate the world at last so they can start over fresh. Iridikron makes a move, maybe we even have to team up with him to stop the Titans (wouldn't that be weird). We learn that the Worldsoul isn't innately Titan at all and never was, but is its own thing - Worldsouls become Titans when imbued with their Order magic. Other magic makes them into other things. But the Titans have no more claim to Azeroth than the Black Empire or the Burning Legion or anyone else. What's more, if the Worldsoul does awaken and become a god to join one of the cosmic powers, it will destroy the planet, so Iridikron and the Primalists were acting to save the world all along (even if they were real jerks about it).

Ultimately, I think Azeroth will reject the Titans and any other foreign powers utterly. Instead of awakening and taking shape as a deity, she will choose to remain as a Worldsoul, forever sustaining life on Azeroth. This will leave the powers of Order, Light, and Void humbled, with Death and Disorder still in disarray from the Jailer's campaign and Sargeras' capture respectively.

Time for the powers of Life to make a play... Elune as future raid boss, yeah!! Best idea! Everyone will want that!
(Also if the Pantheon has been spanked, then there might not be as many eyes on Sargeras as there need to be...)

[johnnyd2]

Here's how I think the saga is gonna play out:

TWW
Gonna go just how Iridikron said: The Harbinger will pry Azeroth from the Titans' grip, meaning that Xal'atath will undo all the Order-magic infusions that the Titans did to try and 'claim' the Worldsoul. Xal'atath will be setting things up for the Worldsoul to be freed from the Titans' influence, leaving it open to be claimed by other forces. Xal'atath will make an effort on her own to claim it for the Void, with her as the final boss of the xpac. She'll be defeated but the Worldsoul is now 'up for grabs,' which leads to:

Midnight
The Void makes an all-out play to claim the Worldsoul now that it's free of Titan influence. Presumably the focus on Quel'thalas and the Sunwell will be to drive the Void's rivals, the Light, from having any kind of foothold of their own. The forces of the Light will likely make a counter-move, not only to dislodge the Void but to try and claim Azeroth for themselves. All out Void-Light war. Hopefully we see a Void Lord, and gain more insight into the Light's inner operations. No sooner will it be resolved then:

Last Titan
The Pantheon shows up in Northrend to get their project started back up. They'll probably decide to Reoriginate the world at last so they can start over fresh. Iridikron makes a move, maybe we even have to team up with him to stop the Titans (wouldn't that be weird). We learn that the Worldsoul isn't innately Titan at all and never was, but is its own thing - Worldsouls become Titans when imbued with their Order magic. Other magic makes them into other things. But the Titans have no more claim to Azeroth than the Black Empire or the Burning Legion or anyone else. What's more, if the Worldsoul does awaken and become a god to join one of the cosmic powers, it will destroy the planet, so Iridikron and the Primalists were acting to save the world all along (even if they were real jerks about it).

Ultimately, I think Azeroth will reject the Titans and any other foreign powers utterly. Instead of awakening and taking shape as a deity, she will choose to remain as a Worldsoul, forever sustaining life on Azeroth. This will leave the powers of Order, Light, and Void humbled, with Death and Disorder still in disarray from the Jailer's campaign and Sargeras' capture respectively.

Time for the powers of Life to make a play... Elune as future raid boss, yeah!! Best idea! Everyone will want that!
(Also if the Pantheon has been spanked, then there might not be as many eyes on Sargeras as there need to be...)

i am gonna LAUGH SO HARD if this ends up happening after all this buildup and hype for this Saga lol.