Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Valysar]

It could be relevant and quite transformative for Battlegrounds.

That's why it'll be disabled in BG.

[Raetary]

We are not guaranteed that every future patch/expansion zone is gonna have flying available.
Dynamic ground mounts would be pretty welcome for that.

It also allows Blizz to create content around it, like races or dungeon/raid mechanics.

[Nymrohd]

That's why it'll be disabled in BG.

Probably. But it would be interesting to try it.

[Vakir]

Argus wasn't an exception- it was a big reveal in 7.3 (as you said, the last time we heard from Sargeras) that Sargeras was trying to corrupt all the known Titans. It was a key point in Antorus- we had to fight a corrupted Aggramar because of it, Eonar was being hunted for it, and the rest of the Pantheon was actively being tortured and corrupted by the Coven before we fought them. We don't have a clear answer on what he wanted to do with Azeroth yet, but if he really planned to destroy her outright rather than controlling her, that would make her the exception.

I do think the stab was meant to kill her in the end, but I think that was more of a desperate contingency rather than the plan all along- even if he wanted to control her, once it became clear that he had lost and was going to be imprisoned, I think he would have preferred destroying her over letting her continue to exist outside his control. After all, if that cutscene is any indication, he could have just destroyed Azeroth himself at any time, at least towards the end of Legion. His cloud didn't just arrive at the end, so he presumably chose not to simply attack himself. Why hold back, unless he wanted to preserve her in some form?

Said Titans were already born. We're talking about the nascent World Soul(s). According to Chronicle, he wasn't even aware that their spirits survived thanks to Norgannon so it's entirely possible it was a newer development. Argus is the only soul we know of that he corrupted and, let's be for real - from a Doylist POV it was just so we could have a boss to fight in the form of the Unmaker because Sargeras was probably not someone they wanted us to fight yet.

Seriously, the entire reason Azeroth is THE LAST TITAN is because Sargeras ostensibly fucked up all the other souls. He destroyed anything that could've been left to chance.

Regardless of them changing Sargeras' entire ethos, though, if the stab was a desperate contingency, it still reinforces my main point, though. "That sword was aimed at something" has an easy answer. Just like "who's talking to us" has an easy answer.

That's all this was ever about. Not that Sargeras might have an evolved (and to me, boring, as now identical to the other Big Bads) new set of goals for the universe, just that people are wildly overthinking a basic premise.

Considering said cloud appears at a time where the characters declare it is "too late," I'm gonna go on a limb and say that Sargeras required some time to even get to that point where he could consume the planet, considering the fog grows through the Antorus raid skybox.

[username993720]

Interesting stuff found on 10.2.5 PTR

Well, would you look at that:
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-Ground-Mounts

[Teriz]

Interesting stuff found on 10.2.5 PTR

Why does that icon look like a beetle or an armadillo curled up into a ball?

[Viridiel]

Why does that icon look like a beetle or an armadillo curled up into a ball?

Probably because they're copying the beetle mount from Guild Wars 2. We already had a good idea since the dynamic ground mount for testing is the Mechagon wheel.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Probably because they're copying the beetle mount from Guild Wars 2. We already had a good idea since the dynamic ground mount for testing is the Mechagon wheel.

Not gonna lie, I'm looking forward to see what it looks like in-game

[Jekyll]

Not gonna lie, I'm looking forward to see what it looks like in-game

Car crash. Car cash everywhere.

[Cheezits]

Ten minutes till MAYBE more news this week confirmed. Probably not.

No weekly review...?

[Murlocos]

I wouldn't expect any news until a week or two for the 10.2.6 preview (and obviously 10.2.5's encrypted content).

The real question is how many of the new questlines will be delayed another week or two.

[Dracullus]

Ten minutes till MAYBE more news this week confirmed. Probably not.

No weekly review...?

Sometimes 'this week' schedule is posted late or even day later. This week is dead for news anyway, best we can hope is 10.2.6 reveal on Thursday next week (although not certain, patch won't be that small since it will contain both pirate stuff and season 4 files).

[milkmustache]

Nothing crazy this week, just some updates on Azerothian Archives and 10.2.5 in article form, maybe some more seeds of information there.

SoD Phase 2 going live Feb 8. Maybe some seeds planted there for references to the Worldsoul Saga, otherwise will be fun to watch play out regardless!

[Lady Atia]

Nothing crazy this week, just some updates on Azerothian Archives and 10.2.5 in article form, maybe some more seeds of information there.

SoD Phase 2 going live Feb 8. Maybe some seeds planted there for references to the Worldsoul Saga, otherwise will be fun to watch play out regardless!

I wouldn't call the season 4 voting "nothing crazy", but yeah, can't wait for the 10.2.6 reveal. Btw, the voting has a timer of 6 days left, which means they can easily add it to the first puplic build in two weeks I guess.

[milkmustache]

I wouldn't call the season 4 voting "nothing crazy", but yeah, can't wait for the 10.2.6 reveal. Btw, the voting has a timer of 6 days left, which means they can easily add it to the first puplic build in two weeks I guess.

Didn't see that part til this morning, so my bad on omitting it. I don't know if I'm confused on what exactly it is, but it feels pretty underwhelming? They're just having players vote on which tier to bring back by class, and that's it? I'm willing to give them a lot of slack because TWW and World Soul is super ambitious and there is probably limited resources left for Dragonflight, but as someone who isn't necessarily a raid/m+ player, I can't really determine whether or not this actually is anything.

That being said, cool that they're trying to engage with the community's voice more, but I can almost guarantee that same community will have plenty to complain about it. Letting players vote for random raid bonuses sounds both claustrophobic for some players and annoying for others. But again, if there's ever a time to try things, it's a throwaway raid season, so do your thing Blizz

[Cheezits]

If there is any extra life to Dragonflight, it isn't with instanced content. 10.2.6 may be a new outdoor zone and Pandaria Timewalking may be the entire campaign.

So I don't see the point in being super extravagant with Season 4 as they are moving away from instanced (group) content being the focus of WoW. It's just a little extra to do if you like raiding/M+.

[Sondrelk]

Didn't see that part til this morning, so my bad on omitting it. I don't know if I'm confused on what exactly it is, but it feels pretty underwhelming? They're just having players vote on which tier to bring back by class, and that's it? I'm willing to give them a lot of slack because TWW and World Soul is super ambitious and there is probably limited resources left for Dragonflight, but as someone who isn't necessarily a raid/m+ player, I can't really determine whether or not this actually is anything.

That being said, cool that they're trying to engage with the community's voice more, but I can almost guarantee that same community will have plenty to complain about it. Letting players vote for random raid bonuses sounds both claustrophobic for some players and annoying for others. But again, if there's ever a time to try things, it's a throwaway raid season, so do your thing Blizz

I am pretty confident that it's not about what will return in future expansions. But rather what tier set you will get from the S4 tier pieces and catalyst.

Rather than three different sets that might be annoying to farm, assuming it works similar to SL. You will have one community chosen Transmog, that comes with a community chosen set bonus.

It comes up ble because there was only one tier set in SL, which meant that the catalyst could simply always give that set and appearance.

[Makorus]

I still don't see the hype of a Pandaria timewalking season.

You can replay the storyline again.

Ooookay? Outside of the cape quest, you can already do that on an alt.

Challenge Mode back. Yeah that's cool. But other than that? Idk

[Sondrelk]

I still don't see the hype of a Pandaria timewalking season.

You can replay the storyline again.

Ooookay? Outside of the cape quest, you can already do that on an alt.

Challenge Mode back. Yeah that's cool. But other than that? Idk

No one knows what it is. Just redoing the campaign again seems unlikely unless there is some twist to it. Timewalking dungeons are already a thing, and Siege of Orgrimmar as the Timewalking raid already seems confirmed. Only things left is really Challenge dungeons or some other thing.

What is most exciting though is probably that there will be an improvement to Timewalking in general, which is sorely needed now that its main draw of running old dungeons again is taken by the seasonal rotating dungeons in M+.

[Cheezits]

No one knows what it is. Just redoing the campaign again seems unlikely unless there is some twist to it. Timewalking dungeons are already a thing, and Siege of Orgrimmar as the Timewalking raid already seems confirmed. Only things left is really Challenge dungeons or some other thing.

I am guessing that the draw will be doing Pandaria content on your main as opposed to an alt (if you haven't before) as well as earning some kind of currency that allows you to buy new items.