Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Khaza-R]

Why are people so certain we will have Emerald Dream Content in Dragonflight, the Dream hasn't even been mentioned. (It hasn't. Ardenweald is not the Dream. Worldtrees don't even appear in the Dream because none of them appeared on Azeroth without mortal intervention. People keep insisting it has but it hasn't.)

I would say this is a fair point. Unless I am mistaken, everyone is basing this off a datamined item we don't even know is from Dragonflight. It could just as easily be from a theoretical cut content patch in Shadowlands.

The only thing the theory really has going for it is the whole Koroleth storyline. Which basically went no where. But we do know the Primalist wanted access to the Emerald Dream for reasons.

So here is a concept.
What if 10.3's zone was in Avaloren with most of the continent hidden. You'd have the raid and everything in a part of a new continent that is OUTSIDE whatever shield is covering that place. The raid would be about preventing Iridikron and/or Murozond from getting inside but at the end of the raid the shield would be damaged and in the pre expansion event we would be taking the shield down.

I think its going to be something like this. Only probably a titan facility or Khaz Algar that Iridikron tunnels too underground. Expansion concludes with us trying to figure a way to breach the surface of Avaloren.

[Teriz]

Elite Tauren Cheiftan predates all that dragon lore. None of the aspects were even a thing until long after Warcraft's first band was introduced. You like to make these big absolutist statements while always missing a big obvious detail.

Can you create a viable WoW expansion based on a hard rock, heavy metal Tauren and metal music? I don’t see how that’s possible. It would break immersion to unheard of levels.

However, if you think differently, I’d love to hear your ideas for such an expansion.

The latest class only "comes from" that existing lore in a tangential way: Evoker's "prismatic dragons" have nothing to do with "chromatic dragons" and were invented wholesale for this expansion.

They’re both artificial dragons created by black dragons to wield all 5 dragon aspects.

[Nightshade711]

Why are people so certain we will have Emerald Dream Content in Dragonflight, the Dream hasn't even been mentioned. (It hasn't. Ardenweald is not the Dream. Worldtrees don't even appear in the Dream because none of them appeared on Azeroth without mortal intervention. People keep insisting it has but it hasn't.)

It’s because of a few things:
The Emerald Dream portal being a big focus in the green dragon storyline leveling (stopping Primalists from getting to it)

There’s the whole thing with the world tree seed being planted in the dream and that datamined cinematic of it starting to grow.

And also, the “emerald dream outdoor” item that was datamined in 10.1

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Can you create a viable WoW expansion based on a hard rock, heavy metal Tauren and metal music? I don’t see how that’s possible. It would break immersion to unheard of levels.

However, if you think differently, I’d love to hear your ideas for such an expansion.


They’re both artificial Dragonkin created by Neltharion to wield all 5 dragon aspects.

They can easily base an expansion around beings like Murmur back in BC.
https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Murmur

Murmur is an incredibly powerful elemental born when the Universe was created, about whom little is known. The Shadow Council inhabiting the Shadow Labyrinth summoned it for their nefarious purposes, but seem to be having trouble keeping him under control. Its history is briefly documented in the Codex of Blood, which reveals Murmur is the primordial essence of sound

Bards would fit in perfectly with a “sound” themed
expansion.
Hell, maybe they’d write that beings like Murmur are part of the 7th force that The Jailer is afraid of since we don’t see them anywhere else in the cosmos.

[Teriz]

They can easily base an expansion around beings like Murmur back in BC.
https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Murmur

Ersula wasn't talking about Murmur, they were talking about the ETC.

I want to hear a WoW expansion concept based around that character that won't be laughed at.

[Abraxan]

It’s because of a few things:
The Emerald Dream portal being a big focus in the green dragon storyline leveling (stopping Primalists from getting to it)

There’s the whole thing with the world tree seed being planted in the dream and that datamined cinematic of it starting to grow.

And also, the “emerald dream outdoor” item that was datamined in 10.1

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They can easily base an expansion around beings like Murmur back in BC.
https://wowwiki-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Murmur



Bards would fit in perfectly with a “sound” themed
expansion.
Hell, maybe they’d write that beings like Murmur are part of the 7th force that The Jailer is afraid of since we don’t see them anywhere else in the cosmos.

Wasn't there also an early dev build video or something from DF beta with the new world tree visible in dragon isles? Not confirmation we'd go to the dream necessarily, but seems to support that the immediate story is going to involve the tree and I assume koroleth/the dream.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Its presumption and I would be surprised if we didn't go. Not mad, just kinda "Ok, I didn't expect that."


But... some NE stuff need to be developed/addressed. Course that wouldn't be a big deal if that storyline went through DF and 11.0.

[Nymrohd]

Its presumption and I would be surprised if we didn't go. Not mad, just kinda "Ok, I didn't expect that."


But... some NE stuff need to be developed/addressed. Course that wouldn't be a big deal if that storyline went through DF and 11.0.

The general expectation is that 10.2 would involve the Dream so I'd assume something related to NEs will be there.

One thing I'd like to see in DF and there is zero indication of it is a bigger cast for the red flight. The other four flights got a chance to show some of their members even if the screen time is poorly balanced but Reds have Alex and the dwarf and vulpera visage dragons neither of which are important enough to the larger narrative (though Veritastrasz seems like someone who could stick around). After killing Krasus in a book and then killing Calen in a mythic only raid boss, they are short of important NPCs. Plus it is the red flight, shouldn't there be more broodmothers than just Alex? Is she monopolizing all the D?

[Nightshade711]

Ersula wasn't talking about Murmur, they were talking about the ETC.

I want to hear a WoW expansion concept based around that character that won't be laughed at.

The hypothetical Murmur/sound based expansion would be as based around ETC/Bards as Legion was based around Illidan/DHs

[Revamp Man]

And there's you, replying to every single one of them, only to promote your own fanfic class concepts.

but dont you know he totally predicted the super awesome dragon class 100% based on HotS

[huth]

I simply figure it would be a tad too silly and immersion-breaking. To risk circumstantial ad hominem, I figure Teriz is suggesting it precisely because it would make his preferred class look more suitable to the setting by comparison; to be exceptionally fair to him, I think all of his misguided efforts to falsely eliminate other prospects are ultimately superfluous because Tinkers do have strong basis in the lore and a fair chance of being made a class. Unfortunately, much like what happened with the Augmentation specialization, I think some have been made unfairly averse to the idea simply on account of Teriz running it into the ground.

That suggests to me more that you are thoroughly unfamiliar with the Genre. Metal in WoW would be about as out of place as water in the ocean.

[Teriz]

but dont you know he totally predicted the super awesome dragon class 100% based on HotS

I did. But hey, who’s counting?

[Raetary]

The general expectation is that 10.2 would involve the Dream so I'd assume something related to NEs will be there.

One thing I'd like to see in DF and there is zero indication of it is a bigger cast for the red flight. The other four flights got a chance to show some of their members even if the screen time is poorly balanced but Reds have Alex and the dwarf and vulpera visage dragons neither of which are important enough to the larger narrative (though Veritastrasz seems like someone who could stick around). After killing Krasus in a book and then killing Calen in a mythic only raid boss, they are short of important NPCs. Plus it is the red flight, shouldn't there be more broodmothers than just Alex? Is she monopolizing all the D?

Ye, the reds got left on the sidelines after reclaiming the RLPs.

Seeing as Alex is the one that narrates the World Tree cinematic, i'm kinda hoping that they will be somewhat relevant in the Dream related things alongside the greens.
I want their 'Protectors of all Life' side to be more established, as is they are kinda just relegated to being broodmares.

[Teriz]

The hypothetical Murmur/sound based expansion would be as based around ETC/Bards as Legion was based around Illidan/DHs

Except it’s established that Demon Hunters and Illidan hunt and fight demons. So Demon Hunters being called on during an expansion about a demonic invasion makes sense.

Why would we need ETC for an elemental expansion? We beat murmur without ETC’s help in vanilla.

Also we have Thrall.

[Nightshade711]

Except it’s established that Demon Hunters and Illidan hunt and fight demons. So Demon Hunters being called on during an expansion about a demonic invasion makes sense.

Why would we need ETC for an elemental expansion? We beat murmur without ETC’s help in vanilla.

Also we have Thrall.

It’s made clear that Murmur wasn’t a “traditional” elemental and was a primordial part of the universe.

[Teriz]

It’s made clear that Murmur wasn’t a “traditional” elemental and was a primordial part of the universe.

I gotcha, but what makes ETC particularly equipped to handle him? Also what is Murmur trying to do to warrant an entire expansion with him as an antagonist?

[huth]

I gotcha, but what makes ETC particularly equipped to handle him? Also what is Murmur trying to do to warrant an entire expansion with him as an antagonist?

The same thing that made Monks particularly equipped to handle Garrosh. Nothing. That just isn't a requirement for a new class.

And Murmur is trying to destroy the Universe. Not particularly innovative, but certainly necessitating action.

[Teriz]

The same thing that made Monks particularly equipped to handle Garrosh. Nothing. That just isn't a requirement for a new class.

Per mod request, I’ll skip over that one…..

And Murmur is trying to destroy the Universe. Not particularly innovative, but certainly necessitating action.

And Murmur isn’t even on Azeroth, he’s in Outland, and he’s dead. How is Murmur going to be an expansion threat if he isn’t even an Azerothian elemental and can’t get to Azeroth?

[Raetary]

Per mod request, I’ll skip over that one…..



And Murmur isn’t even on Azeroth, he’s in Outland, and he’s dead. How is Murmur going to be an expansion threat if he isn’t even an Azerothian elemental and can’t get to Azeroth?

Murmur is not an Outland elemental, it got summoned there by the Shadow Council.

And Murmurs actual status is completely unknown, Deaths have never detered anyone from coming back, and that's not gonna suddenly change with some very loosely defined primordial elemental spirit with questionable origin and power.

The little bit we know of it can be easily expanded into more lore and content. (Blizzard has literally made expansions out of less than that)
Especially if they tied it to literally any other current cosmic stuff

Make it some manifestation of the First Ones, or maybe even a Cosmic Pantheon member.
If Dimensius is a sliver of the Void Lords, than Murmur can be a sliver of who knows what else.

[Teriz]

Murmur is not an Outland elemental, it got summoned there by the Shadow Council.

And Murmurs actual status is completely unknown, Deaths have never detered anyone from coming back, and that's not gonna suddenly change with some very loosely defined primordial elemental spirit with questionable origin and power.

The little bit we know of it can be easily expanded into more lore and content. (Blizzard has literally made expansions out of less than that)
Especially if they tied it to literally any other current cosmic stuff

Make it some manifestation of the First Ones, or maybe even a Cosmic Pantheon member.
If Dimensius is a sliver of the Void Lords, than Murmur can be a sliver of who knows what else.

That’s a bit of a stretch don’t you think? So someone on Azeroth is going to pick up the story of Murmur from Outland and try to summon them on Azeroth because………???

Then I suppose we get ETC to come in and play his latest heavy metal hit to stop him?

[Nightshade711]

And Murmur isn’t even on Azeroth, he’s in Outland, and he’s dead. How is Murmur going to be an expansion threat if he isn’t even an Azerothian elemental and can’t get to Azeroth?

He’s not an Outland elemental. He’s arguably not even an actual elemental given his description of being a “primordial part of the universe” or whatever.

Only a small whisper of Murmur was summoned to Outland, and he wasn’t ever killed he was banished.

Another description of Murmur.

Murmur is powerful that its entrance into existence shattered all reality around it. Mindless and existing only for chaos, its barest whisper was enough to destroy entire worlds