Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[doledippers]

overall i think these are great changes. it makes heroic dungeons not useless and it makes the affixes start at a significantly higher key level comparatively.

[Makabreska]

Huh, they did the thing.

They removed heroic and made M0 queueable.

HC is still there, it is just more difficult and relevant now.

[Cheezits]

HC is still there, it is just more difficult and relevant now.

I think these are great changes but I wonder if super casual people will agree with the harder heroic dungeons. This could be Cata all over again.

[Ersula]

HC is still there, it is just more difficult and relevant now.

So the same thing he said. Only the labels are different.

I think these are great changes but I wonder if super casual people will agree with the harder heroic dungeons. This could be Cata all over again.

I don't think it will be that noticeable especially how easy it is to be gear. My question is will Heroic drop keys?

They said there's no timer for Mythic+

That image is official. So wowhead's copy editor is just incompetent. The image clearly says M+ will be timed.

[Woggmer]

There will be a timer for M+. They're only bumping the difficulty for Heroic (which will be the new M0) and M0 (which will have the difficulty of current M+10).

They said there's no timer for Mythic+ (I don't know if they'll have the timer beyond 10)

"One of the most notable changes players can look forward to is the removal of the timer for Mythic Keystone dungeons for what are currently 0 and 10. Players can run through these dungeons at their own pace without the need to watch the clock while still honing their skills."

[Raetary]

HC is still there, it is just more difficult and relevant now.

Yeah, but that's just them shifting labels one step to the right.

HC is effectively replaced by M0.
As people have been asking for the last several years.

[Makabreska]

I think these are great changes but I wonder if super casual people will agree with the harder heroic dungeons. This could be Cata all over again.

Cata situation was not just turn-the-knob difficulty increase. You had the need for hard CC and mana conservation for caster DPS. There should be not much problem with increase of HC difficulty, considering that it's M0 that brings new abilities to the dungeons.

[Eldryth]

They said there's no timer for Mythic+

"For what are currently 0 and 10". The new Heroic and Mythic 0 are equivalent to those current levels, and they'll be untimed.

[Valysar]

Their way of explaining things is quite confusing

[Makabreska]

Their way of explaining things is quite confusing

They said there's no timer for Mythic+ (I don't know if they'll have the timer beyond 10)

Just check the graphic, it's all you need.

[Woggmer]

Their way of explaining things is quite confusing

More like they over-explained it.

[Ersula]

"For what are currently 0 and 10". The new Heroic and Mythic 0 are equivalent to those current levels, and they'll be untimed.

This is where all the confusion is coming from: Considering difficulty is adjusted every season, they should have just said "Here are the new item level drops for Heroic & upwards" and "Rewards cap out at M10:" That would have been way less confusing.

[Sondrelk]

Huh, they did the thing.

They removed heroic and made M0 queueable.

Hopefully they stick to their guns in the new difficulties being actually difficult. The dungeons being too easy is what put us in this situation to begin with.

[Murlocos]

Their way of explaining things is quite confusing

Just like what happened with the crest system, but that ended up being a fantastic change.

This is also another reduction in the prevalence of affixes. 3rd affixes don't even kick in until you do the equivalent of a +20 now, as opposed to kicking in at +14 right now.

[Woggmer]

Just check the graphic, it's all you need.

I got it... Don't need to repeat it. Also the way they explained it was completely unnecessary...

[Sondrelk]

This is where all the confusion is coming from: Considering difficulty is adjusted every season, they should have just said "Here are the new item level drops for Heroic & upwards" and "Rewards cap out at M10:" That would have been way less confusing.

Because if they said that then HC dungeons would have continues to be pointless. Raiders wouldnt know that Mythic dungeons are relevant. And M+ players wouldnt understand why dungeons are so brutally difficult compared to before.

This is honestly not that complicated a concept.

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I wonder how the new Mythic dungeons will work at the start of the next expansion, or for that matter with every new PvE season. I assume the Mythic dungeons won't open until M+ dungeons open, but maybe they will mention this later.

[Ersula]

Because if they said that then HC dungeons would have continues to be pointless. Raiders wouldnt know that Mythic dungeons are relevant. And M+ players wouldnt understand why dungeons are so brutally difficult compared to before.

This is honestly not that complicated a concept.

They wouldn't take it that way if said chart showed that Heroic drops lfr level gear & m10 drops mythic raid level gear. Based on what they described is how its working, in far fewer words.

I guess this means they don't yet know what season 4's reward ilevels are, so they had to explain it in this bizarre conceptual way.

[Sondrelk]

They wouldn't take it that way if said chart showed that Heroic drops lfr level gear & m10 drops mythic raid level gear. Based on what they described is how its working, in far fewer words.

I guess this means they don't yet know what season 4's reward ilevels are, so they had to explain it in this bizarre conceptual way.

Well yeah, but then they would have had to read the chart.

[Lady Atia]

It's a keystone lvl squish, the diff will be the same, just the keystone number will be lowered by 10. So you will have to do M10 for max lvl loot instead of current M20. It's just a number.

Well in that case ... why? Who needs that xD?

[doledippers]

Well in that case ... why? Who needs that xD?

affixes also start on keys much much higher relatively