Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

My question is why it's a single dragon type for everyone in the cups, and not everyone being able to use the existing dragonriding mounts.

Is it some way of future proofing? Letting lower level players do the races, or players that don't do Dragonflight in the future?

[Kiivar86]

Can't wait to finally be able to play an Undead Druid! They should've been a thing since SL.

heh, watch them get the wicker man model instead of kul tirans. The salt will flow.

[Cheezits]

Druids are the least likely race/class to get opened to everyone at the same time unless they give all the races the same default druid forms, which people will complain about. Lore doesn't matter, development time does, and people like new druids because they come with new racially-appropriate forms and lore.

New Shamans are already likely to get the "little to no racial lore" bat by making them all ex-Primalists who use the same Primalist totems.

[Marlamin]

My question is why it's a single dragon type for everyone in the cups, and not everyone being able to use the existing dragonriding mounts.

Is it some way of future proofing? Letting lower level players do the races, or players that don't do Dragonflight in the future?

There's some tech reasons why that I won't get into, but at the end of the day I'm assuming they'll want to be able to tune the handling/speeds in Azeroth, similar to how Dracthyr soar handles differently to dragonriding mounts.

[Nymrohd]

Adding mechanics like ascend and whirling surge to a creature with no wings that effectively just runs in the sky would feel so damn weird. There is just a great number of ground mounts that can "fly" through magic.

[Cheezits]

Blizzard is not the small indie game studio with 2 devs in their garage. We are talking about one of the biggest video game studios. They will find the time to make adequate models. But if they go for the lazy option, that's what they will probably do I imagine.

The one argument towards lots of druids getting fewer forms is that there hasn't been a lot of buildup to any new druid combos, just wishful thinking of some cool elaborations of existing nature lore with certain races (Blood Elf Rangers/Naturalists, Wildhammers, Pandaren having a wild god connection). There isn't anything as overt like the buildup to Night Elf Paladins and likely Forsaken.

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Adding mechanics like ascend and whirling surge to a creature with no wings that effectively just runs in the sky would feel so damn weird

Agreed, but it's a silly videogame, and making some "flying" mounts pointless except for alt tabbing would be rough. Why not just give them some funky cloud visuals around them and call it a day?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That is a big reach to try and argue Sindragosa is affected the same way as Uther and Sylvanas.

It’s really not when we have Belo'vir as a soul shard who wasn’t even killed by arthas and instead just lost an arm and then was slain by undead.

Like losing An arm is enough to split a soul but having the blade plunged into your head and bring you into undeath isn’t? It’s not like she didn’t have a soul for frostmourn to scar and rather the wound is mortal or not apparently has no baring.

[Nymrohd]

Also disappointed they could not make Tarecgosa a drake skin

[Cheezits]

It’s really not when we have Belo'vir as a soul shard who wasn’t even killed by arthas and instead just lost an arm and then was slain by undead.

Like losing An arm is enough to split a soul but having the blade plunged into your head and bring you into undeath isn’t? It’s not like she didn’t have a soul for frostmourn to scar and rather the wound is mortal or not apparently has no baring.

Was there a Sindragosa soul shard in Zovaal's vault, during the one questline where you see the collection? If not then it doesn't exist because he (Arthas or Zovaal) didn't make one.

[Kiivar86]

So looks like the Dragonwrath legendary doesn't really bring about anything special? That blows. I had high hopes that having it would do something this expansion. What a missed opportunity.

I spoke too soon.

Say hell to a standalone mount if you have it from the questline Rhapsody in Blue.

Also disappointed they could not make Tarecgosa a drake skin

See above, we may have it soon!

[Telogrus]

Can someone give me a brief summary of what happens in the Blue DF questline?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Was there a Sindragosa soul shard in Zovaal's vault, during the one questline where you see the collection? If not then it doesn't exist because he (Arthas or Zovaal) didn't make one.

There isn’t one.

Though I don’t think Arthas or Zovaal was making them given how random the ones we see are, it more so seems like there jsut a by product of frostmourn it self and the jailer just kept some for some reason.

[Nymrohd]

See above, we may have it soon!

Meant a skin for the Highland Drake so we can use it for Dragonriding

[Kiivar86]

Meant a skin for the Highland Drake so we can use it for Dragonriding

I know but if they turn pretty much all the drakes into dragonriding mounts, you can use it for it anyway.

[Lady Atia]

I know but if they turn pretty much all the drakes into dragonriding mounts, you can use it for it anyway.

This. And I really hope they turn the "skins" into their own mounts too because having them as "full transformations" where you have to decide between different mounts was a shitty idea to begin with ...

[Sondrelk]

I don't know. I find that a limited event is well understood because dragonriding raises some issues. If they allow dragonriding permanently, what about all the other mounts that don't share the same skeleton or don't have wings/don't use gravity the same way? I'm thinking of insects, flying machines, water rabbits, and any other magical mount.

What's the point of flying with your favorite mount in slow mode if you can take your dragon and fly fast?

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This is possible, but I hope not for consistency reasons. Be rational. If they do, they will have to do animations for all the other mounts which would be colossal. As it stands, I don't see this system working outside of a time-limited event.

I sometimes look at my ground mounts and think about what a shame it is that they rarely get used. Or worse yet at my aquatic only mounts that I only ever being out for Vashj'ir.

Mounts not always being useable is a shame, but not all that unusual in the grand scheme of things. And really it's only a small amount of mounts that don't actually have a skeleton fit for Dragonriding. Once we get a gryphon rig for Dragonriding I think we have most of them.

[Marlamin]

Outland dragonriding races are now in the works as well. Looks like upcoming patches will have a plethora of old-world(s) dragonriding races.

[Gurahk]

well, about that...
NE is green, O is green. both hate demons and immigrants lesser races. hate lesser races and fel together - Horde is a family, a big tent!

Still wish Nelves were Horde, and Blood elves were Alliance.
Orcs and Nelves together would be pretty sick.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Still wish Nelves were Horde, and Blood elves were Alliance.
Orcs and Nelves together would be pretty sick.

No, not at all.

[Gurahk]

You should be denied the right to play WoW for this more than dubious statement.

I guess you misunderstood me. Because I meant they should've STARTED like that.