Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Throren]

Well the first publicly dataminable build just came out a few hours ago, though Im pretty sure almost everyone who would datamine it are asleep rn. Though considering they are doing the alpha like they did with Dragonflight, where they will only have one zone available per build, I wouldnt be surprised if a lot of the later stuff isnt in this build

[Sondrelk]

Interesting that there doesn't seem to be an actual dungeon where we fight against the Hallowfall Arathi. I assumed the Dawnbreaker dungeon would be against the Arathi, but all the bosses seem to be Nerubians.

Suppose it's always possible the Arathi are fully positive towards us barring a few rogue elements, but I was sure we would fight against them.

Maybe all of this will make more sense as the Alpha develops, but not having an Arathi instance seems like a missed opportunity unless the developers are holding back for mIdnight with a massive Scarlet Crusade one.

[Throren]

Interesting that there doesn't seem to be an actual dungeon where we fight against the Hallowfall Arathi. I assumed the Dawnbreaker dungeon would be against the Arathi, but all the bosses seem to be Nerubians.

I think you missed the Priory of the Sacred Flame dungeon, all the bosses and mobs of which are Arathi

[Viridiel]

Interesting that there doesn't seem to be an actual dungeon where we fight against the Hallowfall Arathi. I assumed the Dawnbreaker dungeon would be against the Arathi, but all the bosses seem to be Nerubians.

Suppose it's always possible the Arathi are fully positive towards us barring a few rogue elements, but I was sure we would fight against them.

Maybe all of this will make more sense as the Alpha develops, but not having an Arathi instance seems like a missed opportunity unless the developers are holding back for mIdnight with a massive Scarlet Crusade one.

Pretty sure the Priory is against a group of Arathi raising lightbound undead, based on the dungeon journal entry.

[Makorus]

Interesting that there doesn't seem to be an actual dungeon where we fight against the Hallowfall Arathi. I assumed the Dawnbreaker dungeon would be against the Arathi, but all the bosses seem to be Nerubians.

Suppose it's always possible the Arathi are fully positive towards us barring a few rogue elements, but I was sure we would fight against them.

Maybe all of this will make more sense as the Alpha develops, but not having an Arathi instance seems like a missed opportunity unless the developers are holding back for mIdnight with a massive Scarlet Crusade one.

Priory of the Sacred Flame and Cinderbrew Meadery has Arathi enemies. Speaker Shadowcrown in the Dawnbreaker is Arathi as well, so there will probably be some Arathi in there.

[Sondrelk]

I think you missed the Priory of the Sacred Flame dungeon, all the bosses and mobs of which are Arathi

Ahh. Right you are. Thought I saw all of the dungeons, but evidently not.

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Not watched any kind of datamining stream, so not sure. But has anyone spotted any lower quality sets like what we usually get for levelling and dungeons?
All the datamined sets so far have been the higher quality ones, and now I hear the Arathi set is listed as uncommon pieces rather than epic ones like I assumed.

[Scyth]

Finally got around to checking out the new hero talents. Sunfury is arguably the best one they have shown so far, it looks so good. Might be going back to Mage as my main

Voidweaver was one I couldn't wait to see previewed too and so far it looks pretty interesting, although I'm not a Priest main so not too sure. Void Blast and the Entropy, design wise, are very cool.

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I just realised the official video from yesterday sort of spoiled the conclusion of Alleria's and Anduin's journeys.

The art director said they're running from the wounds of their past, but in the end they're going to find hope and redemption.

They might find that in death too, tbh Doubt they die though!

[Hitei]

I just realised the official video from yesterday sort of spoiled the conclusion of Alleria's and Anduin's journeys.

The art director said they're running from the wounds of their past, but in the end they're going to find hope and redemption.

I dunno why anyone thought something bad was going to happen to begin with. Anduin's fall was very obviously BfA into SL, they weren't gonna have him suddenly become a void priest. The cinematic made it pretty obvious worldsoul was going to be about him finding his footing again. And Alleria has clearly been set up to mirror Xal'atath as the good void-infused elf thing, and obviously would need to stick around and be a significant factor in the expansion that is about the Void and High Elves, so she's clearly not gonna go anywhere, especially with her new "i'm a void good guy" armor set.

[BaumanKing]

I just realised the official video from yesterday sort of spoiled the conclusion of Alleria's and Anduin's journeys.

I don't like how it looks like this expac focuses mainly on the Alliance. The Horde only has Thrall there, while the Alliance has Anduin, Alleria, Jaina (again), Moira and her son. Well, I really hope that Midnight will then focus on the blood elves and Amani.

[Makorus]

I like the "let's bring back some random old characters as quest givers!" that they do here, hopefully some of them are gonna accompany us further down.

[Fahrad Wagner]

I expected to wake up to juicy 11.0 news
Instead, I wake up to Blizzard destroying Dalaran, my favourite city in WoW and where all my RP is based

I'm not well folks T-T

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I expected to wake up to juicy 11.0 news
Instead, I wake up to Blizzard destroying Dalaran, my favourite city in WoW and where all my RP is based

I'm not well folks T-T

There are still some small piece of dalaran on the ground you can rp in.

[Reive]

how do you feel about the war within? imo it feels more and more like the waiting room for midnight

[BaumanKing]

how do you feel about the war within? imo it feels more and more like the waiting room for midnight

Suuuuure. Just like "A New Hope" feels like the waiting room for "The Empire Strikes Back".

[Nymrohd]

how do you feel about the war within? imo it feels more and more like the waiting room for midnight

This is such a weird take. Nothing about TWW so far even links to Midnight. It has a clear story of its own. It obviously will link down the line but it's not obvious as if this is a shell that just tries to deliver you further in the story.

I get that many people are more excited for the expansions that are revamping locations we have more of an attachment to but that is a very different thing.

[Sondrelk]

how do you feel about the war within? imo it feels more and more like the waiting room for midnight

Well that is the inherent risk of any long term story where you know there is something coming after. Odds are that some of the future content appeals to you more.

Most content in WoW could be described as "waiting room for X" if you know what is coming.
The Broken Shore in Legion was just the waiting room for Argus.
BfA was just the waiting room for the Shadowlands.
Aberrus was just the waiting room for the Dawn of the Infinite megadungeon. Etc.

[Reive]

Suuuuure. Just like "A New Hope" feels like the waiting room for "The Empire Strikes Back".

This is such a weird take. Nothing about TWW so far even links to Midnight. It has a clear story of its own. It obviously will link down the line but it's not obvious as if this is a shell that just tries to deliver you further in the story.

I get that many people are more excited for the expansions that are revamping locations we have more of an attachment to but that is a very different thing.

i'm talking about features and system changes. reading the interviews it's clear that tww is going to be another "safe" expansion gameplay wise

[Fahrad Wagner]

There are still some small piece of dalaran on the ground you can rp in.

*insert melting face and skull emojis*

[Hitei]

I expected to wake up to juicy 11.0 news
Instead, I wake up to Blizzard destroying Dalaran, my favourite city in WoW and where all my RP is based

I'm not well folks T-T

Is it actually anything more than part of it? What I saw was just the central Spire of the Guardian from the Legion version. There doesn't appear to be anything else? Dalaran is not small, the Violet Citadel alone should dwarf the current wreckage.

[Enrif]

Rambling Tinfoilhat speculation:

We seem to get information that K'aresh had also a "radiant song" shortly before it was destroyed by Dimensius.

Now, we think that the radiant song is from Azeroths world soul, right? Well, perhaps not! This is what Magni, the speaker of the world soul says:

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-rad...poilers-338772
Magni: "Speaker of Azeroth". Bah. She hasn't been speaking to me.

The one person who should be able to hear the radiant song, doesn't hear it? And if he tries to connect, he get's a backlash.

Now, if we look at how the "world soul" was represented in the cinematic...


A flaming golden orb, that has some blue flames. Reminds of azerite at first from the color scheme. But gold to blue is also seen somewhere else.


Naaru come in different colors, golden, blue, purple.

But back to K'aresh and it having a World Soul. This is not said. The actual quote was:


received a vision not unlike the radiant song.

No mention of world soul. only about visions and the radiant song.

But, radiant song? Who do we know of, that speaks in melodies? Naaru.

Next, lets look at the arathi. We know that they worship a "holy fire" instead of the holy light. Holy fire for certain would fit the description of the "world soul" image from the cinematic. But let's take a look at what they actually have in their zone




This, is the Beledar. A naaru dimensional Ship. The naming convention matches others like the Genedar, Xendedar, Exodar. That it goes from light to void is also unmistakingly a naaru thing. Though, usually if a naaru goes dark, they don't turn back to light so fast, or by their own powers. So something is up there that makes that naaru special.

Now here comes the actual Theory:
The "world soul" we hear is actualy a naaru, a strong naaru that would be above the prime naaru (like Xe'ra). We do know that there are beings above Prime Naaru from the legions questline, that Elune might be above them (E'lune?) . So, this could be Elune... or someone else (An'she? sounds nearly like a naaru name).
A similar naaru could have been present on K'aresh (K'aresh could also be a naaru name?). But feeling it's imminent turn to void, as naaru tend to do, these Supreme Naaru can call out in a radiant song. If they are not saved, they will turn to void lords like Dimensius. This would be a call back to the M'uru fight in TBC, where M'uru becomes a dark naaru, before turning into a void "god" Entropius. So, a Supreme Naaru, might turn to a Dark Naaru, and then into a Void Lord?




But, isn't xal'atath the harbinger of Dimensius? Well, we don't know how this relates. Perhaps she was the harbinger of Dimensius because she incited the fall of the Supreme Naaru of K'aresh? And once that naaru became Dimensius, it rewarded Xal'atath.