Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

Sassy, aggressive nerds if you ask me.

You know what characterizes dwarves?
"Predominantly, Dark Iron dwarves are known for their fiery tempers and fierce determination."
"All dwarves are known for being stubborn and admiring bravery. As discovered during the first contact between dwarves and humans, the two races share a common love for battle and storytelling. Dwarves are fighters by nature and will do battle even to their deaths, preferring it to living as slaves, which they consider to be honorless."

That's a general descriptions about dwarves as a people, not an end all, be all character description for every individual dwarf ever born.

Dagran is just happens to be a nerdy teen, deal with it.

[Ersula]

Sassy, aggressive nerds if you ask me.

You know what characterizes dwarves?
"Predominantly, Dark Iron dwarves are known for their fiery tempers and fierce determination."
"All dwarves are known for being stubborn and admiring bravery. As discovered during the first contact between dwarves and humans, the two races share a common love for battle and storytelling. Dwarves are fighters by nature and will do battle even to their deaths, preferring it to living as slaves, which they consider to be honorless."

I bet you're one of those people who complain about DnD changing orcs to not be inherently evil. Even though Warcraft did that first. It's a common trope, in many ways Bilbo & Frodo Baggins were outliers for their racial stereotype.

JRR Tolkein when characterizing Dwarves: "They're jewish" that's a direct quote; don't tell the Goblins.

[Lady Atia]

Merging dark irons with playable dwarves in cata brought the mage and warlock classes to dwarves, although you could say they could already be mages in lore, and weren't in game for balance reasons as in the beta there wera mage dwarves. I think dark iron fire mages look awesome and their beards look more like sorcerer beards than warrior beards, unlike the more braided epic beards from bronzebeard and now earthen.

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So there'll be no mark of mastery in season 4 to get a free heroic or elite piece?

There is one but you can't get an elite piece this time since it's using the voted recolours non-elite look (unlike the propper pvp items which use s3 looks). So on a hunter you could get the purple pvp s1 ones, not the red elite ones.

Of course they could still hotfix it in but that's how it works on the ptr last time I checked.

And I really hope this is just a season 4 change in order to prevent people from getting the elite items after their season is over. TWW season 1 hopefully has the elite colours again.

[allegrian]

Mate the dark irons were literally living as slaves instead of fighting to there deaths and
Thaurissan notable got his underlings to do his bidding to steal Ironfoe instead of fighting for it.

By all accounts Thaurissan was charismatic but a coward kidnapping Moria because he was scared of a straight up fight with ironforge and then spending his time swooning over her instead of rising up against Rag or making a real effort to fight If.

Moira had some more balls trying to take over If but once she failed she spends all her time teaching and studying with her son.

There both big fat nerds and as such there son followed suit.

I'd say bronzebear are also nerds as they are obessed with archeology and such. The only non-nerd dwarves would be the wildhammers.

[username993720]

Damn, that's right, every dwarf has to be exactly the same. I forgot that part of story writing.

Nope, but they have an overarching characterization that has to shape their various people. Otherwise, what's the point of them being dwarves?

Can't believe Arthas is a self-insert

That's why he's a Death Knight.

There both big fat nerds and as such there son followed suit.

There was nothing nerdy about them. They didn't have voice-lines like: "this is interesting, can't wait to study it. Knowledge is power. Thank science" etc, etc...

That's a general descriptions about dwarves as a people, not an end all, be all character description for every individual dwarf ever born.

Dagran is just happens to be a nerdy teen, deal with it.

I'm not saying he can't. I just firmly believe they based his looks on one of developers. Looks way too "modern" american for a Dark Iron Dwarf, if you ask me.

I bet you're one of those people who complain about DnD changing orcs to not be inherently evil. Even though Warcraft did that first. It's a common trope, in many ways Bilbo & Frodo Baggins were outliers for their racial stereotype.

No, not at all. But, they are still savages, with or without fel corruption. WoD showed us that.

JRR Tolkein when characterizing Dwarves: "They're jewish" that's a direct quote; don't tell the Goblins.

They're scottish, but whatever.

[allegrian]

There is one but you can't get an elite piece this time since it's using the voted recolours non-elite look (unlike the propper pvp items which use s3 looks). So on a hunter you could get the purple pvp s1 ones, not the red elite ones.

Of course they could still hotfix it in but that's how it works on the ptr last time I checked.

And I really hope this is just a season 4 change in order to prevent people from getting the elite items after their season is over. TWW season 1 hopefully has the elite colours again.

So even if the voted look is the s3 one, you can't get any elite peace, right? That sucks.

[Ersula]

I'm not saying he can't. I just firmly believe they based his looks on one of developers. Looks way too "modern" american for a Dark Iron Dwarf, if you ask me.

Because Glasses are an american thing? Or are you just thrown by him not having a beard? He's still supposed to be a child. This all seems to be you seeing the first child dwarf in WoW history & not being able to accept it.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There was nothing nerdy about them. They didn't have voice-lines like: "this is interesting, can't wait to study it. Knowledge is power. Thank science" etc, etc...

Who cares about there voice lines, there Lore Makes them nerds.

Moria spends all her time studying and teaching with her only friend being Anduin another nerd.

And Thaurissan likely does the same given that he’s wizard not a warrior and a coward to scared to fight for freedom to scared to fight IF to scared to even fight for ironfoe. Hell he likely wrote Moria poetry given that there suppose to be Romeo and Juliet.

[Mekkle]

i guess im soy for not having a lushious beard when i was 16

[Cheezits]

Dagan is the son of two casters. Not sure why its a big surprise he's a caster. It's not like we're redoing the Anduin/Dagran "I'm not worthy" plotline he's just a clothie prince character.

[Vakir]

Here is the full world map, by the way. Ringing Deeps is the smallest zone and there is a suspicious empty area to the left of Hallowsfall and AK.

Anyone able to see how it scales relative to DF, Northrend, Pandaria, etc? Would be helpful in refuting the "expansion price patch" nonsense.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'd say bronzebear are also nerds as they are obessed with archeology and such. The only non-nerd dwarves would be the wildhammers.

That’s true they pretty much set there whole society to it once they found Ulduman.

[Cheezits]

Anyone able to see how it scales relative to DF, Northrend, Pandaria, etc? Would be helpful in refuting the "expansion price patch" nonsense.

One of the devs is on record saying it's smaller than DF so we can count that in. I wouldn't be surprised if the zones are a little smaller than that for Midnight as well, but Northrend has to be bigger just because it was already so big.

[Vakir]

One of the devs is on record saying it's smaller than DF so we can count that in. I wouldn't be surprised if the zones are a little smaller than that for Midnight as well, but Northrend has to be bigger just because it was already so big.

Presuming we get a full Northrend revamp. Could just be the areas near to Ulduar. Hard say.

[username993720]

Because Glasses are an american thing? Or are you just thrown by him not having a beard? He's still supposed to be a child. This all seems to be you seeing the first child dwarf in WoW history & not being able to accept it.

No, because he looks like a self-inert, like many of the Dracthy visage forms. Nothing about him says dwarf other than the color of his skin and big nose.

Who cares about there voice lines, there Lore Makes them nerds.

Moria spends all her time studying and teaching with her only friend being Anduin another nerd.

And Thaurissan likely does the same given that he’s wizard not a warrior and a coward to scared to fight for freedom to scared to fight IF to scared to even fight for ironfoe. Hell he likely wrote Moria poetry given that there suppose to be Romeo and Juliet.

Even "scholarly" classes like the Mage and Warlock mostly originate from the Dark Irons, who are focused on fiery magic. Does this kid looks like he's going to incinerate anyone?

[Zardas]

There was nothing nerdy about them. They didn't have voice-lines like: "this is interesting, can't wait to study it. Knowledge is power. Thank science" etc, etc...

"Who knows what secrets we'll uncover?"
Brann Bronzebeard

So I guess it's not a big deal after all.

I'm not saying he can't. I just firmly believe they based his looks on one of developers. Looks way too "modern" american for a Dark Iron Dwarf, if you ask me.

He's small, wears glasses and likes learning, none of that is specific to modern, nor american.

[Cheezits]

Presuming we get a full Northrend revamp. Could just be the areas near to Ulduar. Hard say.

I feel like they'll have to do full Northrend. EK you can excuse as a partial revamp because it's so damn big and has so many cultures to cover. Northrend has most of its cultures retroactively covered (Tuskarr, Nerubian, Dragons, Titans, Scourge) to the point that they are going to struggle to add new things.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Even "scholarly" classes like the Mage and Warlock mostly originate from the Dark Irons, who are focused on fiery magic. Does this kid looks like he's going to incinerate anyone?

the classes that came form WC1-3 where dark irons didn’t exist originated from them? What?

And no child looks like there going to incinerate any one and they spend years of being a nerd before they can. Do you think every other dwarf is a fresh 16-18 year old when we see them throwing spells around?

[Makorus]

Nope, but they have an overarching characterization that has to shape their various people. Otherwise, what's the point of them being dwarves?



That's why he's a Death Knight.



There was nothing nerdy about them. They didn't have voice-lines like: "this is interesting, can't wait to study it. Knowledge is power. Thank science" etc, etc...



I'm not saying he can't. I just firmly believe they based his looks on one of developers. Looks way too "modern" american for a Dark Iron Dwarf, if you ask me.



No, not at all. But, they are still savages, with or without fel corruption. WoD showed us that.



They're scottish, but whatever.

Didn't know "Death Knight" is a race.

[Raetary]

Does this kid looks like he's going to incinerate anyone?

Why does he need to?

You do understand the context of his character right?
He's nobility, literally a prince, being raised by a single mother with scholarly interests, surrounding by a society that venerates exploration and research.

No shit he is a nerd.
Idk what you expected him to look like, but he wasn't gonna receive chiseled abs, Scharzenegger arms and a beard that rivals Rapunzel, especially not at his age.

And your insistence on him being a self-insert says more about you, than it does about the character design.
Sounds more like he reminds you of your middle school years, and you are now projecting those feelings onto him.