Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

I hope they remake dalaran or something, it's a huge hub of player fantasy as well as a beloved 2-time hub for the 2 most loved expansions in wow :/
I know we have suramar and the upcoming remade quel thalas as magical cities, but dalaran deserves its place as well.

I'm certain that Dalaran will return in some form. I assume the Kirin Tor will be heavily present during Midnight just as they were for Suramar, with or without Khadgar. I agree that Dalaran is a massive icon for the game, but also central to a lot of the inner world politics. Horde and Alliance working together without Khadgar/Kirin Tor presence is just going to feel a bit unfamiliar.

[Khaza-R]

Well, we do know that Rhonins statue gets blown up with void energy.

Man, some dev must really hate Knaak and his characters lol

[allegrian]

They all but confirmed MoP Classic at Blizzcon but yeah with how they are rushing through Cata and Holly's recent comments about it its clear that their internal data is pretty rough for it.

I wonder if they'll just stop doing progressive classic around pandaria and replace it with time running events at each retail's 4th season.

[Makorus]

I hope they remake dalaran or something, it's a huge hub of player fantasy as well as a beloved 2-time hub for the 2 most loved expansions in wow :/
I know we have suramar and the upcoming remade quel thalas as magical cities, but dalaran deserves its place as well.

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Blizzard is very subtle about their love for Knaak's characters.

Good.

Knaak's characters suck ass. People jerking off Knaak but at the same time bitching about Danuser and his "Mary Sues" never ceases to amaze me. Time Travel bad except when Mary Sue Orc with Deus Ex axe!

[Kiivar86]

Good.

Knaak's characters suck ass. People jerking off Knaak but at the same time bitching about Danuser and his "Mary Sues" never ceases to amaze me. Time Travel bad except when Mary Sue Orc with Deus Ex axe!

God the amount of people wanting that stupid axe...so glad we didn't get it.

Knaak has some good points, to be fair. As I recall he's responsible for how much more expanded the dragon lore is, isn't he?

On the flip side though we have Raptor Jesus Rhonin and all that...

[Ersula]

Cata could work only in deep, deep drought. But it is surrounded by MoP remix, S4 and SoD. Suffering from success I guess.

I think Blizzard has one of two mentalities here, or perhaps both, what with their comments about "not wanting to divide the playerbase" :

1.) Regular classic & Timerunning are both low maintenance. Unlike Sod & Retail, there's no development of new content. Once they've worked out the kinks its essentially WoW: Daycare

2.) They're actively testing Timerunning versus Classic expansions to see which is worth playing. If timerunning is wildly more popular than classic, they might end Classic at Cataclysm & start fresh on basic classic in 2025

[justwatching]

I wonder if they'll just stop doing progressive classic around pandaria and replace it with time running events at each retail's 4th season.

I think the future of Classic is probably Seasons because ultimately retail events cant fully replace it as the class design etc. are a huge factor. I imagine the next thing theyll do is something involving TBC.

[allegrian]

I'm certain that Dalaran will return in some form. I assume the Kirin Tor will be heavily present during Midnight just as they were for Suramar, with or without Khadgar. I agree that Dalaran is a massive icon for the game, but also central to a lot of the inner world politics. Horde and Alliance working together without Khadgar/Kirin Tor presence is just going to feel a bit unfamiliar.

Dalaran, although it was alliance/human leaning, felt like a true neutral faction for wow and with their unique flavour of magic. The dalaran eye is one of the most recognizable icons in wow alongside the alliance/horde crests. I hope we get a clear idea or promise in early TWW about the future of the kirin tor/Dalaran even if it doesn't come up until after the trilogy.

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Good.

Knaak's characters suck ass. People jerking off Knaak but at the same time bitching about Danuser and his "Mary Sues" never ceases to amaze me. Time Travel bad except when Mary Sue Orc with Deus Ex axe!

I liked the war of the ancients as a lore book but hated the whole time travel stuff in it. And yeah I still don't get how many veteran horde/orc mains still jerk off to Broxigar lol. It was a non-character that did nothing until he got his undeserved last moment that made no sense and wasn't even that impactful. It was basically a token horde rep in the trilogy.

[Nize]

I do love this though. Blizz really wants you to try out different things running at concurrent times.

You can bounce back and forth between Remix and Season 4 if both are something you enjoy doing, and unlike adding more content of other forms into the main game, it won't feel like it's getting in the way of either goal you aim for

[doledippers]

Have they said anything more about the new Holiday, or are we to assume it's going to be a surprise at this point?

im guessing it might be a pride holiday in june

[Makorus]

Have they said anything more about the new Holiday, or are we to assume it's going to be a surprise at this point?

By the way, I'm excited that we'll soon, at long last, learn exactly what they meant by Dark Heart. Is it just the artifact? Is it Y'shaarj? Is it something else, and were both of those just red herrings? I remember speculating like a year ago that it'd be some traitor, for example Alexstrasza,, lol. We shall see!

We know what the Dark Heart is. It has nothing to do with Pandaria. It is just the Demon Soul 2.0.

Iridikron literally calls it the Dark Heart here, so it's not even ambigious.

[Raetary]

learn exactly what they meant by Dark Heart. Is it just the artifact?

It is the artifact.

[SilverLion]

God the amount of people wanting that stupid axe...so glad we didn't get it.

Knaak has some good points, to be fair. As I recall he's responsible for how much more expanded the dragon lore is, isn't he?

On the flip side though we have Raptor Jesus Rhonin and all that...

He did a lot of the groundwork that's used for the Dragons, yeah. For better or worse. I think what really just checked me out of Night of the Dragon was the literal "Rhonin from out of nowhere to save the day" in the second act. Dude had nothing to do with the main story at all besides being Vereesa's husband and just ported into the middle of shit to save everyone.

[Makorus]

If you had actually read my post, you would have seen that I already know this.

My question was if the artifact might be a red herring, since it's so on the nose. A bit like when Sylvanas said Anduin had lied to himself and his people, or when Alleria said she felt like she had already died twice, in reference to Old God whispers.

We know the quest names and there is nothing indicating anything about Y'shaarj or Pandaria. Sometimes, a Neltharion trinket is just a Neltharion trinket.

I don't even see how it's on the nose? Because it's the name of a patch that deals with the owner of the Artifact? Not everything needs to be 4D chess.

"Guardians of the Dream can't refer to the Emerald Dream, it's too on the nose!"

[Murlocos]

Knaak discourse is what really makes me feel the pain in my back and knees. Almost makes you pine for the golden days of Cataclysm Story forum debates over who has the rightful claim to Lordaeron.

[milkmustache]

Maybe.

Could be a red herring. We're literally going to Pandaria next, doing Harbinger Quests in a timeywimey setting.

As you know, Y'Shaarj's heart was a dark heart, and the MoP scenario to find it was called Dark Heart of Pandaria.

As much as I think we're looking at just another macguffin-esque item, I think you're completely correct that it's worthy of some form of speculation. There is bound to be more to it than just Neltharion object, and knowing that the Nerubians are mining the blood of an Old God, it is incredibly within reason to suspect that there's a bit more to be seen here.

[Makorus]

As much as I think we're looking at just another macguffin-esque item, I think you're completely correct that it's worthy of some form of speculation. There is bound to be more to it than just Neltharion object, and knowing that the Nerubians are mining the blood of an Old God, it is incredibly within reason to suspect that there's a bit more to be seen here.

I mean, yeah, obviously there is more to it. We literally saw it absorb Galakronds essence.

I just don't seee the connection between "patch is called Dark Heart after the item" and "Y'shaarj is gonna be involved because some scenarios are called "Dark Heart" in MoP".

It's like saying that 10.2 is going to have Yogg in it because it's called "Guardians of the Dream" and Yogg said he is the lucid dream.

[Kiivar86]

He did a lot of the groundwork that's used for the Dragons, yeah. For better or worse. I think what really just checked me out of Night of the Dragon was the literal "Rhonin from out of nowhere to save the day" in the second act. Dude had nothing to do with the main story at all besides being Vereesa's husband and just ported into the middle of shit to save everyone.

There's that and also a lot of his work in the Well of Eternity trilogy amounted to "they charged forward, then fell back" repeated ad nauseam. Combat can be hard to depict in writing at times but god it was boring.

Knaak discourse is what really makes me feel the pain in my back and knees. Almost makes you pine for the golden days of Cataclysm Story forum debates over who has the rightful claim to Lordaeron.

I can bring up the lamp posts, if you'd like.

[milkmustache]

I mean, yeah, obviously there is more to it. We literally saw it absorb Galakronds essence.

I just don't seee the connection between "patch is called Dark Heart after the item" and "Y'shaarj is gonna be involved because some scenarios are called "Dark Heart" in MoP".

It's like saying that 10.2 is going to have Yogg in it because it's called "Guardians of the Dream" and Yogg said he is the lucid dream.

I mean, I think there's a bit more than that to it. WorldShaper made good points. It just is not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the questline regarding the Harbinger of a Void Lord has to do with an Old God. Blizzard has been very keen to mention that Khaz Algar is just west of Pandaria, they've launched a brand new event to replay the entirity of MoP.

It is very likely they're just coincidental, but I don't think its possible to deny a connection.

[SilverLion]

Knaak discourse is what really makes me feel the pain in my back and knees. Almost makes you pine for the golden days of Cataclysm Story forum debates over who has the rightful claim to Lordaeron.

Yep it's why I have the stance about the story I do. I remember Knaak, I remember the massive angry lore nerds furious about the Battle for Undercity, I remember the shitstorm that was Anderhol. If people think the story is bad now, it used to be way way way worse. Like unbearly bad. Oh and my personal bug bear "There must always be a Lich King!" There was no real explanation as to why besides "ghost king said Arthas didn't really mean it" at the 11th hour. The literal dumbest asspull in all of my time as a WoW fan.

There's that and also a lot of his work in the Well of Eternity trilogy amounted to "they charged forward, then fell back" repeated ad nauseam. Combat can be hard to depict in writing at times but god it was boring.

The one good fight in all of Night of the Dragon was Rhom and his dwarves. Pretty good descriptions there. Felt very Salvatore. Arguably too much detail but I'm a whore for good combat descriptions.