Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Hi role as speaker was cool in Legion and meh in BFA, where the story never really focused on the titan soul really. TWW feels more like what BFA should have been as the aftermath of legion, making the Sylvannas trilogy feel like a mostly skippable filler. Just replace voljin with thrall after broken shore and make peace with the alliance and you can go directly to DF or TWW.

A perfect description of TWW and the Sylvanas saga.

It does feel like the Sylvanas saga is actual filler. Why did we need a Fourth War? What did it add to the story, what value did that storyline have? Nothing. What value would be lost in a timeline where BfA/SL doesn't exist? Well, pretty much nothing.

Oh wait, Yes, Sylvanas would still be around as the edgy Forsaken leader, instead of Nu!Sylvanas doing dailies in the Maw. Oh well, nothing of value was lost.

Now TWW finally feels like a proper sequel to Legion. Even when it comes to Alleria, it made no sense that Eredath storyline built her up so much, and then BfA and SL do basically nothing with her.

Horde players will NEVER understand how it felt to watch Alleria do nothing for the entire BfA and just serve as some throw-away NPC on a boat to upgrade the Facebook followers.

[Reive]

Hows the new zone opened this week ? aka the Ringing Deeps

really cool imo. i expected it to be my least favourite zone of the expansion but i'm actually liking it a lot

[allegrian]

Horde players will NEVER understand how it felt to watch Alleria do nothing for the entire BfA and just serve as some throw-away NPC on a boat to upgrade the Facebook followers.

Well, that's still better than losing Vol'jin, a beloved and cool warchief after years of Garrosh, to a random felguard after doing nothing relevant as warchief.

And then making him be retroactivelly fooled into putting another crazed villain as warchief.

[CrossNgen]

A perfect description of TWW and the Sylvanas saga.

It does feel like the Sylvanas saga is actual filler. Why did we need a Fourth War? What did it add to the story, what value did that storyline have? Nothing. What value would be lost in a timeline where BfA/SL doesn't exist? Well, pretty much nothing.

Oh wait, Yes, Sylvanas would still be around as the edgy Forsaken leader, instead of Nu!Sylvanas doing dailies in the Maw. Oh well, nothing of value was lost.

Now TWW finally feels like a proper sequel to Legion. Even when it comes to Alleria, it made no sense that Eredath storyline built her up so much, and then BfA and SL do basically nothing with her.

Horde players will NEVER understand how it felt to watch Alleria do nothing for the entire BfA and just serve as some throw-away NPC on a boat to upgrade the Facebook followers.

Straight up how I felt once TWW was revealed, I do think BFA could've worked narratively to build up the void as a threat if it kept the burning of Teldrassil vague for a "Who did it" plot to reveal it was an agent of the void by the end of it, fighting N'zoth and then going straight into TWW.

[allegrian]

I just noticed that with horde earthen (dwarves), the horde now has 4 different playable models that can be paladins (BE, Zanda, Earthen, Tauren) vs 3 in the Alliance (Human, dwarf/DI/Earthen, dreaenei/LF), which is a bit silly given how paladin is the alliance flagship class.

Shaman, the horde flagship class on the other hand is available to 8 different playable models in the horde (counting zandalari and earthen) and 5 on the alliance.

[Alanar]

Well, that's still better than losing Vol'jin, a beloved and cool warchief after years of Garrosh, to a random felguard after doing nothing relevant as warchief.

And then making him be retroactivelly fooled into putting another crazed villain as warchief.

Ye, they did him dirty there. We are in luck maybe soon, hopefully hes return we be glorious as a golden infused loa.

[Lady Atia]

I just noticed that with horde earthen (dwarves), the horde now has 4 different playable models that can be paladins (BE, Zanda, Earthen, Tauren) vs 3 in the Alliance (Human, dwarf/DI/Earthen, dreaenei/LF), which is a bit silly given how paladin is the alliance flagship class.

Shaman, the horde flagship class on the other hand is available to 8 different playable models in the horde (counting zandalari and earthen) and 5 on the alliance.

Looks like you played too much classic lol.

[allegrian]

Looks like you played too much classic lol.

more than 200 hours in sod and a lvl 60 paladin in hc, so yep, maybe too much.

[Trazzle]

Yoooo dem appendages!

One step closer to a claw pack!!!!

[allegrian]

One step closer to a claw pack!!!!

Give one of those to a kul tiran alongside the round sun glasses and you know what you get.

[Pyrophax]

I just noticed that with horde earthen (dwarves), the horde now has 4 different playable models that can be paladins (BE, Zanda, Earthen, Tauren) vs 3 in the Alliance (Human, dwarf/DI/Earthen, dreaenei/LF), which is a bit silly given how paladin is the alliance flagship class.

Shaman, the horde flagship class on the other hand is available to 8 different playable models in the horde (counting zandalari and earthen) and 5 on the alliance.

Still, even with 4 models - paladin is whole Alliance class. And btw Taurens are just Sun Druids, while Zandalari - priests.
Paladins, theirs faith, theirs Order Hall, their whole fantasy is Alliance-centric.
While Shamans are just more "fitting" some Horde races.

[Ersula]

It seems like Brinthe is going to be the Earthen leader for the Horde. Is there any indication who will be the Alliance Earthen Leader? Anyone wearing a lot of blue?

[allegrian]

Still, even with 4 models - paladin is whole Alliance class. And btw Taurens are just Sun Druids, while Zandalari - priests.
Paladins, theirs faith, theirs Order Hall, their whole fantasy is Alliance-centric.
While Shamans are just more "fitting" some Horde races.

Yeah I just meant from a gameplay perspective, you have more variety in playable races/models in the horde if you want to play paladin. In the alliance we've been stuck with human/dwarf/draenei since TBC, the first wow expansion. Worgen, Night Elves and Kul Tirans should be able to be paladins as well.

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It seems like Brinthe is going to be the Earthen leader for the Horde. Is there any indication who will be the Alliance Earthen Leader? Anyone wearing a lot of blue?

Where does that come from?

[Ersula]

Where does that come from?

Based on her being the one Earthen NPC wearing all red. Just like Firepaw was the one Pandarian wearing red. We know how this works already.

[allegrian]

Based on her being the one Earthen NPC wearing all red. Just like Firepaw was the one Pandarian wearing red. We know how this works already.

Could be, although I think they're going with earthen playable characters just being adventurers from the TWW zone that are exploring the world and joined whichever faction, I don't think important earthen leaders will join either faction politically, but we've yet to confirm this. Isn't the earthen AR intro quest/cinematic in the Alpha?

[Nymrohd]

Could be, although I think they're going with earthen playable characters just being adventurers from the TWW zone that are exploring the world and joined whichever faction, I don't think important earthen leaders will join either faction politically, but we've yet to confirm this. Isn't the earthen AR intro quest/cinematic in the Alpha?

I mean they did add a red and blue dracthyr Scalecommander so each faction could have a representative. I am sure they'll do something similar with two high ranking Earthen.

[Raetary]

Voidweaver spell animations look sick.

[allegrian]

I mean they did add a red and blue dracthyr Scalecommander so each faction could have a representative. I am sure they'll do something similar with two high ranking Earthen.

It's a bit different as dracthyr are a main race and have no place to go so they join the factions. Earthen have the same flavor text for both factions in the caracter creation screen and makes them look like individual adventurers that want to explore the world, but who knows. The flavor text says this:

"Newly freed of the edicts that bount them, the new earthen venture forth with limitless curiosity to explore the world and join the Alliance/Horde"

[Ersula]

Could be, although I think they're going with earthen playable characters just being adventurers from the TWW zone that are exploring the world and joined whichever faction, I don't think important earthen leaders will join either faction politically, but we've yet to confirm this. Isn't the earthen AR intro quest/cinematic in the Alpha?

Players can make Earthen for testing. We have the achievement but it seems like you have to complete the the TWW campaign questline for each zone to unlock them properly.

Generally we need a faction leader for the race to actually feel like part of the horde or alliance when the story dictates they have club meetings. We haven't had one of those for a while so people forget Azurathel, representing the Obsidian Watchers, is the leader of the Alliance Drakthyr & Cindrethresh of the Dark Talons is the leader of the Horde Drakthyr.

I assumed the introduction of the Unbound, Oathbound & Machine Speakers factions was to eventually represent Alliance, Horde & Neutral Earthen.

It's a bit different as dracthyr are a main race and have no place to go so they join the factions. Earthen have the same flavor text for both factions in the caracter creation screen and makes them look like individual adventurers that want to explore the world, but who knows.

So like Pandarians, who have Ji Firepaw & Aysa Cloudsinger

[allegrian]

Players can make Earthen for testing. We have the achievement but it seems like you have to complete the the TWW campaign questline for each zone to unlock them properly.

Generally we need a faction leader for the race to actually feel like part of the horde or alliance when the story dictates they have club meetings. We haven't had one of those for a while so people forget Azurathel, representing the Obsidian Watchers, is the leader of the Alliance Drakthyr & Cindrethresh of the Dark Talons is the leader of the Horde Drakthyr.

I assumed the introduction of the Unbound, Oathbound & Machine Speakers factions was to eventually represent Alliance, Horde & Neutral Earthen.

We'll have to wait and see. Did we see other earthen leaders with custom models? And the npc you said looks like a Machine Speaker.