Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I sped through the zeros part. I dunno felt a little too silly. If they wanted to meld silly and serious they could of just shown us what Malygos was like pre the Blue Dragonflight gettng ganked by Deathwing(Malygos was described in this questline as lighthearted but we didn't see it).

[Raetary]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...cup/1596833/49

And they confirmed it.

Good day dragonriders,

As data-miners have guessed, we are indeed working on dragonriding outside of the Dragon Isles and broadening the set of mounts that can dragonride. Our initial work on this can be seen in the Fractures in Time game files, but that feature will not be complete or featured in the live game until later in Dragonflight.

As we continue to develop the game in this way, we expect there to be many examples in the future of content that is a work-in-progress becoming visible to data-miners in test environments. We intend to announce the contents of any given patch in our official posts about that patch.

For the latest details on what’s included in Fracture in Time, please check out our official development notes.

DR is here to stay.

[Nymrohd]

On the Megadungeon, if I am reading it correctly, Deios goes back in time to just when the Aspects killed Galakrond with the intent to trap Nozdormu and turn him to Murozond before they even become Aspects. So he is bound to fail. We just get to experience the timeline where he succeeds first.

[plz delete account]

It could still happen, but I'm not getting my hopes high for 11.0. I think Avaloren/Other Side of Azeroth is the likeliest at this point.

Hello, 9.0 and 8.0 and 7.0 want their speculation back

[Grapejuicee]

The best bet is light vs void.

However, what if there's a small chance of an infinite dragon flight expansion.

Imagine a continent that's an amalgamation of AU versions of different zones all mashed up together.

Call it something like, Lands of infinity.

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On the Megadungeon, if I am reading it correctly, Deios goes back in time to just when the Aspects killed Galakrond with the intent to trap Nozdormu and turn him to Murozond before they even become Aspects. So he is bound to fail. We just get to experience the timeline where he succeeds first.

How are we certain of that? Perhaps it retcons the timeline into some kind of warped situation where everybody remembers everything having been in the original state, but the actual outcome also places Murozond as having always been there while removing the presence of Nozdormu.

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However, what if there's a small chance of an infinite dragon flight expansion.

Imagine a continent that's an amalgamation of AU versions of different zones all mashed up together.

Call it something like, Lands of infinity.

That would be very fun to experience, but is also fairly high-risk. I could imagine it working, but the writers would have to tread very carefully.

If it's not set in pre-Sundering Azeroth, I could see something equivalent to the Dreg Heap of Dark Souls III being interesting.

[Grapejuicee]

How are we certain of that? Perhaps it retcons the timeline into some kind of warped situation where everybody remembers everything having been in the original state, but the actual outcome also places Murozond as having always been there while removing the presence of Nozdormu.

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That would be very fun to experience, but is also fairly high-risk. I could imagine it working, but the writers would have to tread very carefully.

If it's not set in pre-Sundering Azeroth, I could see something equivalent to the Dreg Heap of Dark Souls III being interesting.

Pre sundering could be the endgame zone.

Leveling zones could be like, WC3 lorederon, WC 3 ashenvale, WC 3 quelthalas, etc etc.

[huth]

It’s just kinda weird to me.
I mean nowadays we can even use Glad mounts on characters that’ve never gotten gladiator for example.

We can already transmog the staff on all characters that can use it so it’s just a weird restriction.

But only those with the actual staff on them can turn into a Dragon. This only removes the requirement of having to carry it in your bags.

[GabrielKnight]

DR is here to stay.

I only hope they make it optional, otherwise it's gamebreaking for me to the point of uninstalling, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[loras]

I only hope they make it optional, otherwise it's gamebreaking for me to the point of uninstalling, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

There is a toggle between "static" (old) and "dynamic" (new) flying, si it's optional.

Just do realise the old system cannot do everything the new can, such as going thrice as fast or maneuver quickly enough, so expect to run into limitations on that.
Things like larger maps will pose no noticeable issue to the likely grand majority of the people that will use the "superior" (faster) system, and you can expect to lose out on things like i.e. rares, gathering nodes and treasures simply by virtue of being slower.

So it's optional, but there is a logical and silent "but" involved.

Plus it may ultimately end up replacing static flying in content going forward, depending on the level of adoption. Simply because it would no longer be worth the effort to facilitate it in design and such, wasting time and resources.

[Nightshade711]

https://twitter.com/TaliesinEvitel/s...hwhy-nGQA&s=19

"I feel we don't talk enough about how there is a huge and ancient portal to the actual Void realm just open now in the middle of the planet"

Good Point. Why is nobody talking about it?

Tbh I already forgot about it.

I could see this being some link to a void invasion in the future.

[Xi Jinping]

Remmber when every one since BFA wanted a Dragon Knight? -We got furry dragons
asking for Ethereals will just get you some sad twisted version of your original wish...

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The biggest hint for next expansion is always store mounts. I think in this case : the sun/nighty night elf saber cat mount.

[huth]

Remmber when every one since BFA wanted a Dragon Knight? -We got furry dragons

No, i don't remember that at all. Probably because it didn't happen.

[Xi Jinping]

No, i don't remember that at all. Probably because it didn't happen.

people were begging for a DK dragon reskin at the end of BFA

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

The next expansion is Void or Pirates.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Ebonhorn absolutely started on equal grounds with Wrathion this expac. It's just that in the Waking Shores quests they kind of forgot about him. He should have been one of the quest givers at the Obsidian Citadel and he should have been at the Ruby Life Pools waiting for Wrathion and Sabellian with Alexstrasza.

This is part of what made him becoming the new Aspect so janky narratively. In paper all the choices are very sensible, but how the story was told wasn't anything stellar. There's the weirdness of the bait and switch between Wrathion and Sabellian as the two candidates, focusing so much on their bickering, with Ebyissian nowhere to be seen, and then showing up a whole patch later, speeding through his whole involvement while making Wrathion and Ebyssian act even more annoying.

Sure, everything has plot justifications, but it doesn't feel like a well told story. We could have ended on the same place if Ebyssian had been there since the begining, and then actually develop Wrathion and Ebyssian's own arcs leading to stepping aside a lot more.

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That would be very fun to experience, but is also fairly high-risk. I could imagine it working, but the writers would have to tread very carefully.

If it's not set in pre-Sundering Azeroth, I could see something equivalent to the Dreg Heap of Dark Souls III being interesting.

Pre sundering could be the endgame zone.

Leveling zones could be like, WC3 lorederon, WC 3 ashenvale, WC 3 quelthalas, etc etc.

I think I big issue with WoD, and Shadowlands, is how these realms felt so foreign and temporary. If we went into an expansion knowing such places would be permanent new fixtures of the world, it could be *very* interesting.

I always like the idea of Draenor overlapping into Outland to become a new, more permanent world, but I don't think there's enough room for that (Unless Yrel brings the whole planet with her when she returns, heh) But the idea of a mashup of time disjointed areas making their way to Azeroth could be great.

Does make me wonder, if instead of being a separate mass, it actually "overlaps" with their older versions?, creating a more bizzarre new normal where denizens are displaces by the ones in these new areas? Some of them finding common ground, others entering into fast conflict.

Wouldn't be a complete "old world revamp" but it could be an opportunity to revamp certain areas. You would have to choose somewhat underutilized ones, but you could be able to change their context greatly, taking advantage of the endless possibilities of alternate realities.

An Azshara in its prime around the time of the Legion invasion, The Eastweald and Southern Quel'thalas during Arthas march, Uldum during Lei' Shen's attack and the Tol'vir using the origination device to stop him, the founding of Stormgarde when the Forest Trolls still could destroy humanity's first home. All pivotal moments that with our intervention will play out differently -and all of them in zones that aren't of the most relevant in the present.

[huth]

Better : both

Void Pirates from the Moon?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I want a knight/medieval themed expansion, have some quests about politics of certain Houses and stuff like that.

More precisely - i would like a expansion like that if at least partial revamp is not happening.

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Does make me wonder, if instead of being a separate mass, it actually "overlaps" with their older versions?, creating a more bizzarre new normal where denizens are displaces by the ones in these new areas? Some of them finding common ground, others entering into fast conflict.

Honestly, this seems quite plausible to me. I've taken the Infinite dungeon to suggest that Deios is successful, and the Murozond is retroactively created out of Nozdormu in an odd, Dragon Break-esque situation. I like the idea that all possible events begin to retroactively have always happened simultaneously in a brief moment in which the sands of time are no longer flowing chronologically. This results in an unprecedented situation in which the world starts to look something like the Dreg Heap from Dark Souls III, or perhaps a worldwide version of the Caverns of Time, as all timelines start merging into one another. Perhaps people exist alongside their alternate selves, or perhaps they begin merging with them as they have to struggle with wholly-contradictory memories of the same events. Those who died in the main timeline go mad in knowing that they are not going mad as they are slotted into a world safely devoid of another variant of themselves.

[Nymrohd]

Honestly, this seems quite plausible to me. I've taken the Infinite dungeon to suggest that Deios is successful, and the Murozond is retroactively created out of Nozdormu in an odd, Dragon Break-esque situation. I like the idea that all possible events begin to retroactively have always happened simultaneously in a brief moment in which the sands of time are no longer flowing chronologically. This results in an unprecedented situation in which the world starts to look something like the Dreg Heap from Dark Souls III, or perhaps a worldwide version of the Caverns of Time, as all timelines start merging into one another. Perhaps people exist alongside their alternate selves, or perhaps they begin merging with them as they have to struggle with wholly-contradictory memories of the same events. Those who died in the main timeline go mad in knowing that they are not going mad as they are slotted into a world safely devoid of another variant of themselves.

My understanding is, Deios succeeds while Iridikron distracts us by turning Nozdormu Infinite all the way back before they became Aspects. Then we race through the timeways to get BEFORE that happens and stop him.
So we do see an Infinite AU but we go far back in time to stop it from ever happening.