Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Kul tiran and zandalari in the tyr group, kul tiran ship from sw to DF, Jaina, Talanji, kul tirans having 3 zones with distinct characters and cultures, kul tirans and zandalari having backstory since warcraft/vanilla, having their own kingdom and capital city and their own aesthetic instead of just copying the dragon aspect one.

The entire point of this conversation was "which npc do you think will lead the earthen?" It looks like with the exception of Brinthe, all the Earthen council leaders have generic earthen models. There is another leader by the name of Dorlita who has no model currently, so my Guess is Brinthe leads the Horde Earthen & Dorlita leads the Alliance Earthen.

[Nibelheimy]

If all we see is what we're getting, more reasons for Earthern just staying on the Alliance. Why on earth would any Earthern be saved by a Dwarf, look like a dwarf, have a near identical culture of drinking, gryphons, clothes, mounts, architecture as a dwarf, and then join the faction opposed to the Dwarves? I appreciate the huge focus and development on the earthern, but them being Neutral (which just means pick a side, not really neutral) is a very poor decision in my eyes.

The new embernathal quest is actually piss poor, more showing Evoker races all the races they could of been but nah. I seriously doubt evokers will ever get fixed.

[Ersula]

If all we see is what we're getting, more reasons for Earthern just staying on the Alliance. Why on earth would any Earthern be saved by a Dwarf, look like a dwarf, have a near identical culture of drinking, gryphons, clothes, mounts, architecture as a dwarf, and then join the faction apposed to the Dwarves? I appreciate the huge focus and development on the earthern, but them being Neutral (which just means pick a side, not really neutral) is a very poor decision in my eyes.

Because as already know, the Unbound & The Oathsworn hate each other. Just like the Silver Covenant & Sunreavers.

In fact, now that Metzen's back this might facilitate the return of a legitimate faction conflict: Over the course of the Saga the Alliance embrace a titan-apologist attitude while the Horde reject the ways of the Titans entirely as the Unbound have.

[Makabreska]

If all we see is what we're getting, more reasons for Earthern just staying on the Alliance. Why on earth would any Earthern be saved by a Dwarf, look like a dwarf, have a near identical culture of drinking, gryphons, clothes, mounts, architecture as a dwarf, and then join the faction apposed to the Dwarves? I appreciate the huge focus and development on the earthern, but them being Neutral (which just means pick a side, not really neutral) is a very poor decision in my eyes.

We had Nightborne going Horde after all what happened in Legion, Earthen being neutral is a really mid problem here. Plus, they have different factions with different ideals, just like Pandarens from Wandering Isle.

[Trazzle]

Wow YouTube posting specifically about Speaker Brinthe, mech arms and all, is quite curious/interesting.

Reckon she’ll be joining us in Delves.

[milkmustache]

If all we see is what we're getting, more reasons for Earthern just staying on the Alliance. Why on earth would any Earthern be saved by a Dwarf, look like a dwarf, have a near identical culture of drinking, gryphons, clothes, mounts, architecture as a dwarf, and then join the faction opposed to the Dwarves? I appreciate the huge focus and development on the earthern, but them being Neutral (which just means pick a side, not really neutral) is a very poor decision in my eyes.

The new embernathal quest is actually piss poor, more showing Evoker races all the races they could of been but nah. I seriously doubt evokers will ever get fixed.

My guess is that they're just embracing faction agnostic gameplay with the Earthen, even if the story is more Alliance leaning. But letting Horde roll them both fits balance as well as allowing the excuse of roleplaying whatever. I just think this is going to become the norm now that they seem relatively done with faction lore, which is in parts a bummer but understandable.

It does raise the question, was there a plan for a Horde allied race that got scrapped in development? Maybe the Nerubians, Harronir, or Kobyss.

Which Emberthal quest are you referring?

[Zers Editor]

It seems to me that Anduin will be the only main character who will remain in the center throughout the whole saga.
And among the cast will be at least one of his peers acting on the side, if not more.

In Midnight it will be him, the elven leaders and Turalyon, with Vereesa's sons and Arator as main peers. Someone on the Horde side will be active, too.

In The Last Titan it will be him, the Aspects, Jaina and Bolvar (the latter two will most likely die), with Wrathion and Taelia as main peers.

[Xilurm]

6. Odyn ordered the construction of the Coreway, a massive road leading all the way from Ulduar to Khaz Algar, and then deep into the ground. At the world's core, they built Uldaz, a prison facility meant to protect and control the worldsoul, in stasis. The Earthen were tasked with its protection and maintenance.

It's called Coreway now? I like the Path of the Titans better tbh. Also, imagine seeing that in-game though.

[Alanar]

It seems to me that Anduin will be the only main character who will remain in the center throughout the whole saga.
And among the cast will be at least one of his peers acting on the side, if not more.

In Midnight it will be him, Velen and Turalyon, with Vereesa's sons and Arator as main peers. Someone on the Horde side will most likely be active, too.

In The Last Titan it will be him, the Aspects, Jaina and Bolvar, with Wrathion and Taelia as main peers.

I actually think Jaina is a better candidate to bite the dust for once, she has served her purpose more then enough. Personally I am so over her.. for a while now.

That or beard anduin in tlt, major sac at the end.

[Zers Editor]

I actually think Jaina is a better candidate to bite the dust for once

Either in Midnight or The Last Titan, but yes, I find it a big possibility. As well as Taelia taking her place both in the leadership of Kul'Tiras and in Anduin's inner circle.
Many of the peers brought into the trilogy will become a part of the latter, that's how it seems to me.

[Makorus]

So, turns out Magni is turning into a fleshy dwarf again, by sacrificing his "crystalline energy" to un-void the Awakening Machine that's been turning Earthen into Skardyn.

[allegrian]

Because as already know, the Unbound & The Oathsworn hate each other. Just like the Silver Covenant & Sunreavers.

In fact, now that Metzen's back this might facilitate the return of a legitimate faction conflict: Over the course of the Saga the Alliance embrace a titan-apologist attitude while the Horde reject the ways of the Titans entirely as the Unbound have.

They already said they stop hating each other and the faction conflict is dead. Tey are just making everything neutral now and if it wasn't for 20 years of faction split ingrained into the game code, they'd make esch playable race neutral as well.

Horde just gets earthen because all content is for all factions now, they don't want one side crying because the other got cooler stuff like in bfa nor they want to have twice the workload by creating 2 new races instead of one.

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If all we see is what we're getting, more reasons for Earthern just staying on the Alliance. Why on earth would any Earthern be saved by a Dwarf, look like a dwarf, have a near identical culture of drinking, gryphons, clothes, mounts, architecture as a dwarf, and then join the faction opposed to the Dwarves? I appreciate the huge focus and development on the earthern, but them being Neutral (which just means pick a side, not really neutral) is a very poor decision in my eyes.

The new embernathal quest is actually piss poor, more showing Evoker races all the races they could of been but nah. I seriously doubt evokers will ever get fixed.

It's lazyness alongside the new direction with no faction conflict and all content being wow content, instead of alli/horde content. In the future we'll get a new kind of troll, orc or undead that will join the alliance for no reason as well. Those can play with true alliance members in lore just like horde players can raid in the same group as alliance players, or be in the same guild.

If they end up remaking org/stormwind, they'll be neutral hubs.

[Makabreska]

It's lazyness alongside the new direction with no faction conflict and all content being wow content, instead of alli/horde content. In the future we'll get a new kind of troll, orc or undead that will join the alliance for no reason as well. Those can play with true alliance members in lore just like horde players can raid in the same group as alliance players, or be in the same guild.

If they end up remaking org/stormwind, they'll be neutral hubs.

You are hard overreacting.

[allegrian]

You are hard overreacting.

Why? Haven't you noticed how all content that would be faction exclusive in the past is for everyone now? The baine quests, Gilneas, undercity in SL, NE and belameth... I don't get how there's people that still can't believe nor accept that Silvermoon will be a neutral hub in Midnight as if there still was faction split content.

[Chickat]

Give me tinkers! But these look awesome, hope we get them somehow

Someone call spiderman.

[Makabreska]

Why? Haven't you noticed how all content that would be faction exclusive in the past is for everyone now? The baine quests, Gilneas, undercity in SL, NE and belameth... I don't get how there's people that still can't believe nor accept that Silvermoon will be a neutral hub in Midnight as if there still was faction split content.

You went from Earthen being neutral AR to Ogri/SW being neutral. This is what I call overreacting. And no, as of now we do not know for sure what will happen with Silvermoon proper.

[Chickat]

Hows the new zone opened this week ? aka the Ringing Deeps

This is the least hyped alpha I have ever seen. Not trying to be negative, but theres almost no coverage of it anywhere. 10 years ago stuff would be everywhere, especially in the 2nd build of the alpha with a new zone.

[Nebron]

Guess:

1. Eonar and Elune had a partnership, both seeking to spread Life on Azeroth and defeat the Old Gods with different methods than those of Aman'Thul.

2. Freya, at the behest of Eonar, created G'Hanir within the Emerald Dream as a way to focus Life's untamed power and connect Azeroth to it. She needed more "tethers" though, and experimented with World Trees within the Dream, and on Azeroth. Hence several other trees existed. The Old Gods attempted to destroy or corrupt as many as they could.

3. Elun'Ahir was planted as a seedling of G'Hanir. It was to be a symbol of their love, and the greatest of all trees on Azeroth, with the power to enrich life around it and protect Azeroth's worldsoul. Its roots would dig deep, and envelop the world's core, keeping the grasping tendrils of the Old Gods at bay.

4. Aman'Thul, bewildered after learning all this, tore the tree out. Unbeknownst to him, the roots remained, and grew strong from Eonar's tears. For a long while, Freya watched over it. Later still, when Freya could no longer protect the roots herself, Dark Trolls who wandered near evolved into the Harronir. They were to become its new Guardians.

5. Odyn, receiving reports of a strange fissure at Sector AR-938, later sent his Earthen to investigate. The Earthen discovered a gaping hole in the ground, leading all the way to Azeroth's worldsoul. They would soon become affected by Azeroth's power, and act more like mortal beings.

6. Odyn ordered the construction of the Coreway, a massive road leading all the way from Ulduar to Khaz Algar, and then deep into the ground. At the world's core, they built Uldaz, a prison facility meant to protect and control the worldsoul, in stasis. The Earthen were tasked with its protection and maintenance.

7. Over time, as Odyn vanished from Ulduar, the Keepers became corrupted, and the Titanforged lost their control of Azeroth's surface, other mortal races evolved and came to power.

8. Elune, in urgent need of new allies with Eonar gone and Freya corrupted, influenced the creation of the Night Elves at the Well of Eternity. They were to become her favoured children, and new protectors of Azeroth.

9. Sargeras took notice of the desperate state Azeroth was in, and decided its destruction was the only way to stop the Old Gods from claiming it and ushering in a Void Lord. (He would later have an encounter with the worldsoul that changed his perception of it, but but that story is yet to bear fruit.) Anyway, The Sundering happened, and the Coreway from Ulduar to Khaz Algar was shattered. The remaining Earthen at Khaz Algar eventually became scattered and disillusioned. They were beginning to neglect their ancient duties and the Edicts of the Titans, as the Titans and the Keepers hadn't been heard from in a long, long time.

10. At some point, the Nerubians came to live in Azj-Kahet. At first they lived a peaceful existence. But later still, the Arathi who had left the Eastern Kingdoms to form a new kingdom across the sea recieved a vision of a falling star. They made their way to Hallowfall to protect this "star". Conflict soon arose, as the Humans and Nerubians encroached on each other's territory. These lightsworn humans were zealous, and any creature of the Shadow, they considered to be their enemy.

11. Once Xal'atath was freed from the dagger, she soon established an alliance with the Nerubians, evolving them using the blood of her fallen brethren, so that they might gain an edge against the Arathi. Her prize: the crystal in Hallowfall, the Beledar.

12. As we enter the conflict in TWW, four cosmic forces have a presence within Khaz Algar: Shadow, Light, Life, and Order. Our initial goal will he to aid Order by restoring Earthen society and allowing them to protect the Coreway, then to aid Light as we protect the Beledar and defeat Queen Ansurek, before finally "digging into" the story surrounding Elun'Ahir, the Harronir, and whatever else awaits us.

13. As the bad Nerubians fall and the benevolent ones take control of their society, we'll probably have to pursue Xal'atath on the next leg of her plan, as she abandons the Nerubians. Whether she will have gotten what she was after at that point is unclear, but I'm guessing it'll take us through the Undermine and into whatever lies beneath the Sword in Silithus.

Holy crap, great piece of work here mate, well done, I really enjoyed it!

[allegrian]

You went from Earthen being neutral AR to Ogri/SW being neutral. This is what I call overreacting. And no, as of now we do not know for sure what will happen with Silvermoon proper.

Just wait and see, Silvermoon being neutral is super obvious unless it ends up not being a main hub at all for anyone. But if it is, it will be for both. If any of the old faction capitals gets revamped in the future, specially if they are used as the expansion's main hub, it'll be for both factions. This allows blizzard to focus on content for everyone instead of making double the content and it makes sense in today's lore of the factions being at peace with some of their leaders being almost best friends, as well as gameplay reasons like both factions being able to share the same raid or guild.

Factions will be a thing of lore/story and not gameplay. I'm not saying storwind will stop being an alliance city, or silvermoon a horde city, as they'll be affiliated to their faction in-universe but neutral in gameplay. Why would the city guards kill alliance races on sight when they are collaborating with the horde to help them while their racial leaders are in buddy adventure together?

[ngc2440]

This is the least hyped alpha I have ever seen. Not trying to be negative, but theres almost no coverage of it anywhere. 10 years ago stuff would be everywhere, especially in the 2nd build of the alpha with a new zone.

It is a bit odd. I haven't heard much either. Strange.