Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Samin]

Ingame planet. There is nothing between EK and Kalimdor that we are not saw. And there is nothing with storms that cover continents. But according recent books - no one crossed Forbidding and Veiled Seas, except Night(something) pirate and one green dragon.

I could buy that we don't see the Dragon Isles from Argus because they were still magically hidden at that point in time. But based on the ingame planet, Quel'thalas and Azuremyst/Bloodmyst Isles doesn't exist. It's just not realiable. They could always say Avaloren is magically hidden or ignore the already incorrect map.

Altough I still think Isle of Dorn rhymes too well with Avaloren, they're definitely heavily hinting at a continent "on the back of Azeroth" as foreshadowing/pre-seeding of a future expansion (arc) - conveniently already established with humans, elves and dragons.

Unless the Arathi are actually from an AU Azeroth and that "flash" didn't just transport them underground but also into another (our) universe and their empire is an unshattered AU Arathi Empire in the Eastern Kingdom and the Storming Sea they crossed was the Great Sea.

[justwatching]

Wonder what the chances are that Avaloren is 11.2.

[JDBlou]

Source on Avaloren's location?

From Portergauge's twitter.

The storming sea and the forbidding sea may be one and the same and the Arathi traveled south and eventually east across it, finding Avaloren?

Maybe the heretics Odyn sent in search of were Titanforged/Keepers who forsook the titans for the Light?

Wonder what the chances are that Avaloren is 11.2.

To me it feels like its being set up for post worldsoul saga or Midnight at the earliest. We do need some powerful light users to fight the void with...

Only to find ourselves under the yoke of Lightbound tyranny instead of the void.

[Lady Atia]

Wonder what the chances are that Avaloren is 11.2.

0%? Stop trying to turn Expansion-level zones into shitty patch content.

[Foolicious]

Am i the only one that thinks its hilarious that the arathi are stranded in a cave because the only mage they had couldn't open a portal? Isn't that the first thing you think about if you start an expedition of that significance? I hope we meet this mage and get to know him.

The storming sea and the forbidding sea may be one and the same and the Arathi traveled south and eventually east across it, finding Avaloren?

Maybe the heretics Odyn sent in search of were Titanforged/Keepers who forsook the titans for the Light?

Makes you think how much of a prick odyn and the titans really are if titanforged are choosing the light over them.

[Nymrohd]

Ingame planet. There is nothing between EK and Kalimdor that we are not saw. And there is nothing with storms that cover continents. But according recent books - no one crossed Forbidding and Veiled Seas, except Night(something) pirate and one green dragon.

I am pretty sure that the ingame rotating view of the planet simply has massive clouds between the continents.

[Nize]

Oh, I didn't mean cluttering up the reward track. Just put the items on a vendor, and have them show a certain Renown requirement for the current season. But either way would be good, of course.

Ah got it. Regardless of that, I definitely agree with your stance here. I'm not a fan of forever gone content. Despite having (almost) all the CM armors and CM weapons, I'm of the mind that I've had that exclusive content for long enough and that people should be open to getting those looks.

[Tiradon]

Pre-patch July or August. Release August or September. We usually learn specific date around 2-3 months before.

Makes sense, thanks for the heads up. I'll keep reading this.

I'm quite interested about the Dark Ranger developments, looking forward to new builds.

[Jolly Roger]

She and Turalyon can't even touch each other and she chose to harbor a force that is completely anathema to everything he believes in. Tensions are entirely reasonable in this context.

the distance and isolation is what will lead to her falling to the void then her sacrifice

[Ersula]

0%? Stop trying to turn Expansion-level zones into shitty patch content.

I mean, Blizzard keeps doing it so the chance is pretty good. Argus, Nyalotha, Zereth Mortis, The Emerald Dream...

[Samin]

I mean, Blizzard keeps doing it so the chance is pretty good. Argus, Nyalotha, Zereth Mortis, The Emerald Dream...

Emerald Dream and Argus worked perfectly as patch zones. Trying to drag it out for a full expansion and you ruin their lore like Shadowlands did for itself. Nyalotha should have been a patch zone, definitely not a full expansion - same issue.

We don't know enough about Avaloren, but it definitely has expansion potential - it even has story arc potential where they potentially uncover a whole Kalimdor/EK sized continent over the course of of several expansions.

[Khaza-R]

Emerald Dream and Argus worked perfectly as patch zones. Trying to drag it out for a full expansion and you ruin their lore like Shadowlands did for itself. Nyalotha should have been a patch zone, definitely not a full expansion - same issue.

We don't know enough about Avaloren, but it definitely has expansion potential - it even has story arc potential where they potentially uncover a whole Kalimdor/EK sized continent over the course of of several expansions.

Shadowlands didn't suck because we spent an entire expansion there. It sucked because it had to connection to prior lore. They just sat there in a storyboard meeting and came up with an angel zone, a vampire zone, a scourge zone and a druid zone. It had been stuff like Thros, Helheim, and Da Other Side, it could of had a lot more potential.

But really after Broken Isles and Kul Tiras / Zandalar, anything has the potential to either be expanded into its own expansion or reduced to just a zone. Its a bit arbitrary to argue otherwise based on their past decisions.

[Sentynel]

Ingame planet. There is nothing between EK and Kalimdor that we are not saw. And there is nothing with storms that cover continents. But according recent books - no one crossed Forbidding and Veiled Seas, except Night(something) pirate and one green dragon.

We also can't see Kul Tiras, Zandalar and the Dragon Isles from the Vindicaar. Blizz is free to add as many continents to the map as they want.

[Samin]

Shadowlands didn't suck because we spent an entire expansion there. It sucked because it had to connection to prior lore. They just sat there in a storyboard meeting and came up with an angel zone, a vampire zone, a scourge zone and a druid zone. It had been stuff like Thros, Helheim, and Da Other Side, it could of had a lot more potential.

The problem is that they had to fill it with an expansion worth of content, so they had to come up with distinct and diverse zones and not "grey zone 1-4".

The same with the Emerald Dream. Everything has to be green. Maybe you can have a speck of corruption, but that's it for variety unless you want to make up "nature vampires" (they're lavender) and "nature angels" (they're blue...again) and there is the inexplicable cogwheel zone because reasons...and wait, weren't we talking about the Emerald Dream? Some things are better left to "deep lore".

[Ersula]

Emerald Dream and Argus worked perfectly as patch zones. Trying to drag it out for a full expansion and you ruin their lore like Shadowlands did for itself. Nyalotha should have been a patch zone, definitely not a full expansion - same issue.

We don't know enough about Avaloren, but it definitely has expansion potential - it even has story arc potential where they potentially uncover a whole Kalimdor/EK sized continent over the course of of several expansions.

Any of those could have worked as a full expansion if they had been developed as such. Anytime they say "We didn't have enough ideas to dedicate a full expansion to this" that's entirely a personal failing. But you're apparently insisting Avaloren could warrant a full expansion even though we know about 1 paragraph max about it.

[Nightshade711]

Wonder what the chances are that Avaloren is 11.2.

Avaloren is absolutely coming at some point as patch content in TWW. It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to be an expansion zone, because we’d have to wait 2-3 expansions for it.

[Ersula]

Makes you think how much of a prick odyn and the titans really are if titanforged are choosing the light over them.

Perhaps, but considering that the Titans work alongside Life & Light frequently, I think it's more likely the "heretics" simply wanted to self-govern instead of following the Titans, or the more popular theory, were turned by the Void.

[CasualFilth]

Avaloren is absolutely coming at some point as patch content in TWW. It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to be an expansion zone, because we’d have to wait 2-3 expansions for it.

I concur as well! It's been teased so much for it NOT to be in TWW - it just doesn't fit in with Mid & TLT

[Lady Atia]

Avaloren is absolutely coming at some point as patch content in TWW. It wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense to be an expansion zone, because we’d have to wait 2-3 expansions for it.

Yeah, just like Zandalar and Kul Tiras were patch zones in Cataclysm, right?

[Nightshade711]

Yeah, just like Zandalar and Kul Tiras were patch zones in Cataclysm, right?

What do Kul Tiras and Zandalar have to do with Cataclysm