Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Santandame]

You have to put logic aside while arguing about logic, you just want to be mad at her for some reason and are focusing your entire being into a cool and thoughtful shield mechanic.

here, let me help you, whaa whaa, it doesnt make sense, you are right, everyone else is wrong, have a cookie /thread

You’re a favourite for the gold medal in the mental gymnastics by doubling down on this weird, presumptuous train of thought.

Whilst it doesn’t bother me as such (it’s still an unrealistic design but I don’t really care), the person you keep attempting to tar as seemingly either a racist, misogynist or ableist (let’s be honest, that’s what you’re trying to imply. Edit - to no one’s shock someone is explicitly implying it at the top of this page) has clearly made it known they aren’t a fan of the shield & hook design; nothing more.

Stop trying to project and turn it into something it isn’t.

For the record, I think she looks cool, but it’s still a silly design.

[Varodoc]

I feel like there is this common misconception that xera has brainwashed all of her followers into blind fanatics when thats simply not the case. It's this underlying theory that is always present when talking about turalyon. But no one can show any evidence that he is secretly evil and playing Jailer level mindgames with us all.

Because it's not an actual theory, it's funny wishful thinking and delusions that Stormwind will become a raid like Orgrimmar.

A delusion and nothing more. You're more likely to get a third Siege of Orgrimmar.

[Santandame]

But as soon as the black woman is unrealistic, it's suddenly a problem

I don’t think it’s that deep.

[Samin]

"No this is different"

[Jastall]

Of all the completely ridiculous things in Warcraft, a shield held by a hook is where we draw the line? Not the ludicrously oversized weapons, most of which would be more of use as clubs than swords? Not the comically useless shoulder armor that would often kill you if you tried to reach up with your arms? Not the bevy of people fighting shirtless or with the protection in all the wrong places? Not the very idea of anyone or anything tanking blows from beings several times their size? Not completely worthless weapon types like glaives?

She looks cool, that's all that matters. It's all that's ever mattered in this game, unless you want to tell me people love Illidan, Arthas, Sylvanas or Garrosh because their character designs and fighting styles are totally realistic, you guys.

[Alanar]

Which he got and apologised afterwards. Next topic

Irrelevant and also..I wasnt even talking to you. So thats not on you.

[Makorus]

I don’t think it’s that deep.

I totally think it's that deep. Would the outrage about her character be as bad if the character was a Turalyon-type instead? Would every single design decision be nitpicked? I doubt it.

[Alanar]

Highly doubt it, if it happens it will probably be a temporary thing

What ever you say.

[Santandame]

I totally think it's that deep. Would the outrage about her character be as bad if the character was a Turalyon-type instead? Would every single design decision be nitpicked? I doubt it.

Then you likely need help or you’re looking to be even more outraged than the guy you’re all arguing with.

If your immediate thought is to imply he/she is a racist based off nothing more than them saying they don’t like a certain aspect of a design on a certain character then it’s more apparent you’re the one arguing in bad faith.

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Of all the completely ridiculous things in Warcraft, a shield held by a hook is where we draw the line? Not the ludicrously oversized weapons, most of which would be more of use as clubs than swords? Not the comically useless shoulder armor that would often kill you if you tried to reach up with your arms? Not the bevy of people fighting shirtless or with the protection in all the wrong places? Not the very idea of anyone or anything tanking blows from beings several times their size? Not completely worthless weapon types like glaives?

She looks cool, that's all that matters. It's all that's ever mattered in this game, unless you want to tell me people love Illidan, Arthas, Sylvanas or Garrosh because their character designs and fighting styles are totally realistic, you guys.

It’s silly but most designs in WoW are. Despite it being silly, it does look cool.

[BaumanKing]

I totally think it's that deep. Would the outrage about her character be as bad if the character was a Turalyon-type instead?

The exact same thing happened to Turalyon tho. When his model was unveiled, it was completely ridiculed for looking like a poodle in chandelier armor. People here will make fun of anything and everything because, let's be honest, these forums are pretty toxic.

[Jastall]

It’s silly but most designs in WoW are. Despite it being silly, it does look cool.

It is a bit silly and I'd honestly have preferred her to have a cool prosthetic arm or something, but in the grand scheme of Warcraft things it's magnitudes less ridiculous than, say, Demon Hunters going shirtless into battle using weapons that have 0 reach and are as likely to stab them as they would their foe. But Demon Hunters look cool so it's fine. Similarly, her armor looks really cool so I don't see why the hook shield should be a particular problem. Just imagine it's a magical hook, problem solved.

[Raetary]

The exact same thing happened to Turalyon tho. When his model was unveiled, it was completely ridiculed for looking like a poodle in chandelier armor.

No, it didn't.

People were either thirsting for him or for his armor.
Case in point: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Turalyon/page6

[Santandame]

It is a bit silly and I'd honestly have preferred her to have a cool prosthetic arm or something, but in the grand scheme of Warcraft things it's magnitudes less ridiculous than, say, Demon Hunters going shirtless into battle using weapons that have 0 reach and are as likely to stab them as they would their foe. But Demon Hunters look cool so it's fine. Similarly, her armor looks really cool so I don't see why the hook shield should be a particular problem. Just imagine it's a magical hook, problem solved.

Yeah agreed. As you said, there’s a way around it with just explaining in game that it’s a magical hook. It’s not an issue if it isn’t, it’s just something that one could come up with their own head cannon regarding it.

[BaumanKing]

People were either thirsting for him

Ew. That's embarrassing. But anyway. Faerin is gorgeous. Her armor is cool. And I can't wait to meet her when TWW comes out.

[Jaggler]

seriously, people are really arguing the structural integrity of armor when the last DH tierset had them replace their head with a skull on fire.

[Vakir]

Its kinda true tbh.

He was blind as f for the light.

Dude was fighting for 1,000 years in the middle of space Hell with his only solace being the floating bacon that serves as the poster-children for the Light.

If anything he pivoted way, way too easily. I think it's forgivable.

Well, i would be surprised if she suddenly showed up with a bunch of Dragons... and rather unimpressed. I know their bosses personally.

Drogon actually screaming FAAAAAMILLLYYYYYYY as he Deep Breaths the Dwarven District or some shit.

[allegrian]

Let's talk about how unrealistic DH's warglaives are as their curvature and way of being wielded make them useless as slashing weapons, giving them barely any range and becoming just cumbersome fist weapons.

[Vakir]

Let's talk about how unrealistic DH's warglaives are as their curvature and way of being wielded make them useless as slashing weapons, giving them barely any range and becoming just cumbersome fist weapons.

Or literally anything about the function of spikes on the Horde buildings.

Cool aesthetic choice, but the gameplay function of doing damage to anything that attacked them only really makes sense in an RTS mechanic artifice. No randos are going to, on foot, smack your farm with their swords or something. It's going to be ranged anyway. At best, you're putting mild wooden inconveniences in the path of a siege engine or something.

Don't get me started on everything else about the ergonomics of a lot of their architecture. I love it in a goofy way, it's metal as hell, but have fun being in literal-metal huts with hot grates in a desert climate. And this was the stuff made under the regime in response to the anger at the Thrall-era green guilt setup.

Someone already mentioned the colossal shoulders.

The complete and total lack of any wartime PTSD for anyone not named Anduin (Jaina is effectively cured and was more dealing in grief), including the people actually tortured in Superhell with no sense of time.

Really, we could be here all day.

Sus identity politics aside, when they say it's "unrealistic," what they really mean is that it's creative or different for a change.

[Ersula]

Or literally anything about the function of spikes on the Horde buildings.

The curved blades are effective for a spinning, constantly moving fighting style but the in-game animations don't reflect that.

The spikes on the buildings protect against siege weaponry back when that was a thing.

Hopefully Metzen will be putting the Warcraft back in World of Warcraft.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

This is realistic.