Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Murlocos]

Will we get the endgame main story quests in the alpha today as well?

Dragonflight's renown questing wasn't publicly tested before release, so I'd expect the same here. The rest of alpha will probably be implementing the remaining hero talents and professions along with more dungeon/delve testing, beta will likely be in about a month if they follow a similar timeline to DF's testing.

[Ersula]

I think at this point it would be better to just make blood elves and void elves neutral races, and with the quel'thalas revamp giving them a new starting area that explains why they are neutral now. And there wouldn't be much faction issues, as both factions would gain a race and "loose" a race.

Why would they do either of those things when the only difference rn is like 4 hairstyles and a few void colorations. You can already make void elves & blood elves that look identical. Maybe if they did a big Silver Covenant customization blowout with a ton of unique customization for High Elves, but if anything the latest storyline is telling us the pure arcane High Elf population is shrinking even further with any high elves left in the alliance becoming void elves.

[Valysar]

Azj-Kahet is coming (hopefully, my invit too !)

[Makabreska]

I haven't been this excited for a new expansion in a long time. I've played on an off since late Wotlk (sadly, I skipped most of Mop and the nighthold patch in legion), so with Cata being my new first expansion, until Legion it always felt like the alliance was the less focused faction lore, story or ontent wise, so I'm glad they're focusing on its themes now with dwarves, humans, maybe gnomes in tlt, and elves in midnight even if they're politcally horde (they're still thematically alliance and from W2-3 human-side). I loved titan lore in ulduar and I've wanted a titan-focused expansion since wotlk.

Equally hyped. I don't enjoy titan/cosmic lore much, but visiting underground civilizations and then seeing revamped ancient elven kingdom is peak fantasy for me.

[milkmustache]

It really wouldn't be replacing anything when they already have all the assets for them plus some additional little things (like a new paladin mount, which would probably be reskinned for Belf Paladins as well). It would be a huge win using... what, minute development time?

I don't know if it would do some weird stuff to old code.

The addition of races and subraces I feel is going to be one of the major features of Midnight. There's so much potential for things they could add, that leaving some off will definitely leave several groups upset.

In Midnight alone there's potential for High Elves, Amani Trolls, Broken, Naga, and any custom AR they may make (like Harronir). They don't have to add all of these of course, but at some rate, this question regarding High Elves for instance will keep coming up. Some people want to roll High Elves not Void Elves without purple skin, and while that seems minute to a lot of people, it's a big deal to others. But their addition would mean 5 elven races (without the idea of Harronir), and 3 of the same exact build. At what point do they reevaluate the way races work and recatagorize into subraces, etc.

Again as you said, the code to do this is probably far harder than imagined due to it being a 20 year old game, but it's still a serious consideration.

[Ersula]

In Midnight alone there's potential for High Elves, Amani Trolls, Broken, Naga, and any custom AR they may make (like Harronir). They don't have to add all of these of course, but at some rate, this question regarding High Elves for instance will keep coming up. Some people want to roll High Elves not Void Elves without purple skin, and while that seems minute to a lot of people, it's a big deal to others. But their addition would mean 5 elven races (without the idea of Harronir), and 3 of the same exact build. At what point do they reevaluate the way races work and recatagorize into subraces, etc.

They're going to deal with that the same way they made fat Arathi humans in the Alpha: You're going to make a Kul Tiran & RP that its an Arathi human.

They already gave us all the customization options necessary to remove all the blood or void elf visual indicators: Blonde void elves & Blue eye blood elves was the equivalent to giving humans pointed ears

At this point the most you can ask for is tattoos. Red for Blood Elves & Blue for Void elves. And to make the RP people happy maybe they should remove the allied race suffix to character's tooltips: Like, instead of Kul Tiran Human it just says Human. Or instead of Void Elf or Blood elf it just says elf.

[allegrian]

Equally hyped. I don't enjoy titan/cosmic lore much, but visiting underground civilizations and then seeing revamped ancient elven kingdom is peak fantasy for me.

I'm also glad we're getting new fantasy civilisations and not just more tribes of low effort shamanistic races like we've been having lately, they end up feeling the same (Highmountain, Tuskarr, Centaur, Tortollian...)

Hallowfall looks peak to me and I'm super hyped about the main arathi empire, be it as enemies or allies.

[Thomir]

Revamped Azuremyst / Bloodmyst Isles seems likely if they're committing to a new Draenei city?

[Nymrohd]

Revamped Azuremyst / Bloodmyst Isles seems likely if they're committing to a new Draenei city?

It would also add them to the Kalimdor map. And probably turn them into a single zone.

[Makabreska]

Revamped Azuremyst / Bloodmyst Isles seems likely if they're committing to a new Draenei city?

I mean, if we update Quel'thalas, why not? Although Azuremyst/Bloodmist are so much less important.

[Throren]

I assume we won't see the new Draenei city till the very end of Midnight or TLT at the earliest since they haven't even begun to lay the ground work for the city yet, they are just in the planning stage

Then again with their advanced tech who knows

[Raetary]

I mean, it wasn't for Midnight being the Elf-mania expansion, Shatt 2.0 as the expansion hub and visually the Light/Naaru counterpart to a corrupted Silvermoon would be fitting enough.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

So, it seems like SWTOR removed it's ranked pvp mode, and instead added some kind of pvp seasonal battlepass.

I'm wondering if that's something they could do in WoW as well, without a huge backlash from the few elite pvp players still playing wow? I'm quite sure in the end, more people would play pvp if they could get the gladiator mount via grinding instead of being locked out of 80% of the ranked pvp rewards by default (especially as they also just go away at the end of a season). Solo Shuffle and BGB are the first step in the right directions though.

That would be awful, making the game even more unsociable than it already is. Having to join a group for Rated Battlegrounds to get vicious saddles leads people to grouping with the same people over and over and joining RBG communities. It is one of the last facets of the game that naturally facilitates socialization, whereas LFR and LFD has all but destroyed the formation of friendships in PvE content.

[Enrif]

Why would they do either of those things when the only difference rn is like 4 hairstyles and a few void colorations. You can already make void elves & blood elves that look identical. Maybe if they did a big Silver Covenant customization blowout with a ton of unique customization for High Elves, but if anything the latest storyline is telling us the pure arcane High Elf population is shrinking even further with any high elves left in the alliance becoming void elves.

I didn't said we get high elves, i said we get blood elves and void elves for both factions, just because of racial skills. void elves and blood elves have very different racials. Making them neutral, would give each faction access to the others racials. and alliance could use blood elves if they want high elves without the void effects, while the horde can get a shadow race.

[allegrian]

That would be awful, making the game even more unsociable than it already is. Having to join a group for Rated Battlegrounds to get vicious saddles leads people to grouping with the same people over and over and joining RBG communities. It is one of the last facets of the game that naturally facilitates socialization, whereas LFR and LFD has all but destroyed the formation of friendships in PvE content.

RBG communities are trash and so small they're almost irrelevant, and people don't even play them for fun. We live ina modern online world where rated pvp is solo queueable, even in blizzard games like Overwatch. FF XIV also does the pvp battle pass and is a better experience for those who play it mostly for the cosmetic rewards than having to hit your head against the wall that is rating.

[milkmustache]

I mean, it wasn't for Midnight being the Elf-mania expansion, Shatt 2.0 as the expansion hub and visually the Light/Naaru counterpart to a corrupted Silvermoon would be fitting enough.

Now introducing: Shataran, the Floating City. Spires, Naaru, Mages and more. Still has sewers.

[Cheezits]

I was thinking Exodar may fly to QT to be the Alliance hub, but I think neutral SMC (with neutral elves, maybe) and New Shattrath in 14.0 makes more sense. They need to have Kalimdor focus eventually.

[Nymrohd]

OK spider zone time! And Stormbringers! Oh they moved Spatial Paradox to the class tree, that is a huge win for Devastation and Preservation.

[Nize]

Bringer of the Storm time!

[Nymrohd]

Damn I was hoping Stormbringer could let me play full lightning and dump the fire spells from the rotation