Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Civciv]

Where was this found? Login screen music usually comes way later.

I have no idea, randomly popped up on my home page.

[Hitei]

Where was this found? Login screen music usually comes way later.

This was true previously, but DF's was in almost immediately (?)

[Xilurm]

This was true previously, but DF's was in almost immediately (?)

I remember with DF we had a small preview of the login theme that was around 2 mins long, then the longer version came a month or two after.

[Samin]

Where was this found? Login screen music usually comes way later.

Considering it's on a random channel of a guy who makes music, I assume it's a fan creation.

[Cheezits]

Holy shit this is so good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7FbxHCf4Ss

For anyone curious, this is the music from the Nerubian zone preview. It doesn't really fit the vibe of the zone so I'm guessing its the login music.

[Hitei]

For anyone curious, this is the music from the Nerubian zone preview. It doesn't really fit the vibe of the zone so I'm guessing its the login music.

So it is.

[Tiradon]

New zones look amazing, let’s hope this releases after mid September to avoid problems with my holidays.

Might move them if they announce the date soon

[Santandame]

I have to admit, after being extremely critical of what we saw of The War Within during/after Blizzcon; I am now very excited for the expansion. I’m really glad to be wrong, it looks like so much fun. Admittedly I’m more excited for Midnight and The Last Titan but TWW looks very, very, very good so far. I have really high hopes.

[justwatching]

Gotta say the Monk hero talents also nail Class fantasy. Stormbringer feels disappointing though specifically for Enhance its just kinda boring.

[Ersula]

Gotta say the Monk hero talents also nail Class fantasy. Stormbringer feels disappointing though specifically for Enhance its just kinda boring.

Maybe if your concept of Monk is an orientialist wizard, but it doesn't feel very superhuman martial-artist at all. I wish we had more monk representation that isn't "Asian druid who can't shapeshift." This is why I don't like "class identity" because they've interpreted that idea as "Class tier sets are always iterations of the same idea" Do priests need 20 cowled robes sets. Do hunters need 20 sets that are attaching dead animal parts to them? They barely even ever dip into the Ranger fantasy of Hunter.

[Tiradon]

Gotta say the Monk hero talents also nail Class fantasy. Stormbringer feels disappointing though specifically for Enhance its just kinda boring.

I’m hoping they improve the hunter tree and Dark Ranger just isn’t a passive and DoT build based around the black arrow

[Ersula]

If I were an Amani troll, given that the High Elves have been killing my people and stealing my land for literally seven thousand+ years and have effectively completely taken over the region and nearly wiped my kind out--I would much rather just see the the void destroy Quel'thalas and kill every last Blood Elf than help them keep the land they took and potentially lose my life defending their people.

All this is true, but WoW's writing has made stranger alliances.

• the same ethereals the void elves joined forces being the villains of the Arcane & Discipline artifact questlines
• Hatuun being mad at Velen even though he volunteered to stay behind on Argus, unprompted
• Night elves choosing humans over tauren
• Turalyon not caring that literally all of his alliance mentors left the alliance by the time he came back to Azeroth

[Izalla]

Personally, I would like to see trollkind rally around the defense of Zul'Aman and have their own separate thing from the elves. Sort of prove that if they were unified they could be a very formittable force.

I think having them just suddenly turn and ask the elves for help would be really uncharacteristic.

When I say "us" I mean any outsiders, not necessarily elves. This would be a situation where special flavour text from lots of NPCs would be a must: extra hostile language toward any elves, least hostile language toward trolls, middle ground for all other races, but nothing especially happy or welcoming. Zandalari would be the best ambassadors.

But an epic retaking of Zul'Aman led by all the troll tribes would be awesome!

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I'd rather the Elves ask for help other than the other way around.

I also like this.

[milkmustache]

Watching some videos of alpha gameplay from this week...

It seems like the members of the Dragonscale Expedition (if they're being called that still) return in Azj'Kahet, I guess working as some sort of forward force with Faerin? I've not looked far into it, trying to avoid reading text detail, just skimming through some alpha vids. However I did see that Flynn Fairwind is back and working with the group, which is fun. The usage of them outside of the Isles could be fun depending how they're used.

[Nymrohd]

Maybe if your concept of Monk is an orientialist wizard, but it doesn't feel very superhuman martial-artist at all. I wish we had more monk representation that isn't "Asian druid who can't shapeshift." This is why I don't like "class identity" because they've interpreted that idea as "Class tier sets are always iterations of the same idea" Do priests need 20 cowled robes sets. Do hunters need 20 sets that are attaching dead animal parts to them? They barely even ever dip into the Ranger fantasy of Hunter.

Yeah I don't get playing a monk that is not going to engage in the August Celestial class fantasy. You don't need to be a Pandaren per se but that's the class fantasy and while there are NPCs who get to deviate from it, the player can't.

[Cheezits]

Watching some videos of alpha gameplay from this week...

It seems like the members of the Dragonscale Expedition (if they're being called that still) return in Azj'Kahet, I guess working as some sort of forward force with Faerin? I've not looked far into it, trying to avoid reading text detail, just skimming through some alpha vids. However I did see that Flynn Fairwind is back and working with the group, which is fun. The usage of them outside of the Isles could be fun depending how they're used.

It's a whole bunch of random characters, including lore characters like Gazlowe, under the pretext that they were in Dalaran and survived the crash but got kidnapped by Nerubians AFAIK.

[Ersula]

Yeah I don't get playing a monk that is not going to engage in the August Celestial class fantasy. You don't need to be a Pandaren per se but that's the class fantasy and while there are NPCs who get to deviate from it, the player can't.

Isn't that the same complaint people are making for non-undead dark rangers? Why are they tying the class' identity to a specific race? For demon hunter, that makes sense because only elves can be demon hunters, but monk is a pretty general concept. They don't make you be a member of the Kirin tor when you make a mage, etc.

[milkmustache]

It's a whole bunch of random characters, including lore characters like Gazlowe, under the pretext that they were in Dalaran and survived the crash but got kidnapped by Nerubians AFAIK.

Oh, did not see him there but very happy he is. The usage is going to be really interesting, especially with Delves in mind.

I kind of get the feeling the former members of the Expedition may serve some purpose as an in-world extension of the player characters, particularly as we stray further from faction heavy gameplay (not specifically faction war, but different faction campaigns, hubs, and presences in expansions).

This is now going to be the third expansion that follows a faction agnostic route, which is okay, but definitely diminishes world buidling in some way, so it would not surprise me to see these NPCs fill the roll of say Jade Forest's squads, or garrison characters. If Midnight has any flavor of garrison, I fully expect it to be manned by the former Dragonscale Expedition. Or for that matter any of the non Raid, Mythic or Renown Track PvE content.

[Makorus]

I still wonder what this image was about



based on the lore of the zone, Xalatath doesn't really ally with the Nerubians until later on, doesn't she? So it can't really be the pre-patch event.

[Ersula]

based on the lore of the zone, Xalatath doesn't really ally with the Nerubians until later on, doesn't she? So it can't really be the pre-patch event.

In the zone she allies herself with the Nerubian monarchy, but she already has Nerubian followers. She works from the bottom upwards. We can assume this is part of the pre-patch campaign.