Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Man I want to like the blue dragon quest but after just doing the thereamore part it just seems so stupid. Like abunch of Dalaran mages are trying to make mana bombs 8 or so years later because they are scared like really?

The quest should have been a flash back to Mop right after thereamore's destruction, the writers trying to ham fist every thing into happening in the scope of the currant expan harms the games writing so much with stuff like this and Gilenas.

I want to reiterate, I don't think this questline is great, no more than I felt the Orc Heritage one was great. It still offers fanservice by revisiting multiple characters and locations and it has some decent story moments and voice acting (Sindragosa, Azuregos, Senegos were all excellent throughout these quests imo). I don't really have great expectations for the story but I enjoy the fanservice and seeing a larger roster that deviates from their obsession with picking 4-5 key characters and involving them in everything.

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I agree that it would make more sense if the quest with theramore happened after mop or in Legion at least or like you said in a flashback, it's the problem with the design of the game that is pretty much that - New expansion - New isle - New expansion - New isle, a lot of the things that happened or could happen in the old world that make sense after certain events are forgotten and only brought back when they see it fit for current expansion.

I just choose to have fun with the story instead of not having fun, but i know the storytelling in this game and how we always go somewhere else and in most cases don't even mention older expansions, "hurts" it in the long run if it makes sense.

All these kingdoms and stuff we visited in the past and implication of things enemies or we did, are just dead in most cases, until they bring it for a quest.

It is one of the reasons why so many of us would love a world revamp. A revamp would not need to populate the new version of the world with questlines for every location. Sure you'd expect a main storyline moving through the zone but you could keep all the side areas clear and then reuse them in future expansions when it is best for the lore. Plus the experience would be of much higher quality with a quest that sends you to such locations if those places look good.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

It is one of the reasons why so many of us would love a world revamp. A revamp would not need to populate the new version of the world with questlines for every location. Sure you'd expect a main storyline moving through the zone but you could keep all the side areas clear and then reuse them in future expansions when it is best for the lore. Plus the experience would be of much higher quality with a quest that sends you to such locations if those places look good.

Yeah, there are many people that mistake other people wanting world revamp with only the texture/model only revamp, which is untrue.

Even if these old places would get a world revamp and there's no new content in it, it would be still only used by handful of people during lvling, but if blizzard would actually made these places alive a little, by adding some story to them.. Well it would create a feeling that something is actually happening in these ol kingdoms and zones.

Orc heritage questline i actually love because it can make the world when it comes to orc clans/horde and such more alive, maybe we will see new faces used in stories, like Leoroxx etc.. but they can easily just forget about it and nothing will happen again when new expansion starts and we just go to new zone and that's it - 10 years from now maybe they add a quest that will actually show the results of that questline.

[Nymrohd]

Orc heritage questline i actually love because it can make the world when it comes to orc clans/horde and such more alive, maybe we will see new faces used in stories, like Leoroxx etc.. but they can easily just forget about it and nothing will happen again when new expansion starts and we just go to new zone and that's it - 10 years from now maybe they add a quest that will actually show the results of that questline.

Even before Orc Heritage I think many people expected that if a revamp would happen, we could see different places in Kalimdor becoming the home of different clans. You could imagine the Laughing Skull in Un'goro, the Bleeding Hollow in Feralas, the Shattered Hand in Dustwallow.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Even before Orc Heritage I think many people expected that if a revamp would happen, we could see different places in Kalimdor becoming the home of different clans. You could imagine the Laughing Skull in Un'goro, the Bleeding Hollow in Feralas, the Shattered Hand in Dustwallow.

I will try to remain hopeful until blizzcon season and leaks start showing up, maybe they will surprise me, us.


Besides the things we talked about world revamp and modernizing them with story and gameplay like world quests, the second thing i hope for is another BIG go this time at character customization, especially when it comes to face types, adding a lot more for each race and every race should have the same amount of tabs for customization such as beards for every race, tattoos, scars, jewelry like necklaces for all male/bodytype1 races, much more skin tones and face types that actually look different and all the things that come with that.

There's a lot of that on wowhead when you tick the npc options in dressing room, the amount of customization(eye types, skin tones) there that is locked for playable characters is crazy and it's a shame we can't even use that.

[Nymrohd]

Lol are you late in that discussion.

Back when chronicle was published people definitely figured out we were looking at the fifth old god and I remember people linking it to that HS card.

Yeah it would make sense if Avaloren has some significant Black Empire influence. Could it be Xal? We will find out. It is the most common speculation ofc.

[Berkilak]

The leaves are interesting. You don't really see that with any existing Old God-adjacent stuff.

[huth]

Lol are you late in that discussion.

Back when chronicle was published people definitely figured out we were looking at the fifth old god and I remember people linking it to that HS card.

Yeah it would make sense if Avaloren has some significant Black Empire influence. Could it be Xal? We will find out. It is the most common speculation ofc.

I dunno, Xal doesn't really make sense. Remember that she was stuck in that dagger until only a few years ago.

[Raetary]

I dunno, Xal doesn't really make sense. Remember that she was stuck in that dagger until only a few years ago.

Xal herself was, what happened to her previous body is unknown.

Maybe after her demise her corpse was used as a place of worship, and the titans cracked down on it and built Avaloren on top of it.

[huth]

Xal herself was, what happened to her previous body is unknown.

Maybe after her demise her corpse was used as a place of worship, and the titans cracked down on it and built Avaloren on top of it.

Given that she was taken out by the other four, not the Titans, i doubt it. Any survivors would have been taken over by the winner.

[Nymrohd]

Given that she was taken out by the other four, not the Titans, i doubt it. Any survivors would have been taken over by the winner.

Perhaps the titanforged of Avaloren found elements of whatever place Xal had established. And something about them caused them to doubt the Keepers.

[Makorus]

I will try to remain hopeful until blizzcon season and leaks start showing up, maybe they will surprise me, us.


Besides the things we talked about world revamp and modernizing them with story and gameplay like world quests, the second thing i hope for is another BIG go this time at character customization, especially when it comes to face types, adding a lot more for each race and every race should have the same amount of tabs for customization such as beards for every race, tattoos, scars, jewelry like necklaces for all male/bodytype1 races, much more skin tones and face types that actually look different and all the things that come with that.

There's a lot of that on wowhead when you tick the npc options in dressing room, the amount of customization(eye types, skin tones) there that is locked for playable characters is crazy and it's a shame we can't even use that.

I feel like Blizzard needs to start giving cool customization option as a reward.

Stuff like the Primalist Eyes or Draconic Eyes don't make much sense, but who cares? Make it part of a quest chain or some secret. Not every little cosmetic item has to be lore-accurate or whatever.

[huth]

Perhaps the titanforged of Avaloren found elements of whatever place Xal had established. And something about them caused them to doubt the Keepers.

That would probably make sense. Especially with how it is outright stated Odyn was keeping things under wraps.

[Berkilak]

Xal herself was, what happened to her previous body is unknown.

Maybe after her demise her corpse was used as a place of worship, and the titans cracked down on it and built Avaloren on top of it.

I mean, the concept art that inspired this entire expansion was ostensibly the corpse of an Old God-like creature.

[huth]

I mean, the concept art that inspired this entire expansion was ostensibly the corpse of an Old God-like creature.

I think you're giving that particular part of art way to much credit here.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I feel like Blizzard needs to start giving cool customization option as a reward.

Stuff like the Primalist Eyes or Draconic Eyes don't make much sense, but who cares? Make it part of a quest chain or some secret. Not every little cosmetic item has to be lore-accurate or whatever.

Honestly giving primalist eyes or draconic eyes as customization reward would be not so much different than night warrior eyes, especially now when you can fight big bads while wearing clown or yeti onesie outfits.

I feel like blizzard needs to give players more freedom with customization and let them decide the backstory of their characters.
Other big mmos have more freedom when it comes to character customization and it's good.

Also i think it would be fun if you could unlock hairstyles of npc's etc. after doing some achievements.

Like FFXIV, ESO, GW2 are giving more freely access to NPC items that they wear or their customization, but in wow when some npc item shows up in loot table, it has 0,00000001% chance to drop.

[Berkilak]

I think you're giving that particular part of art way to much credit here.

I just think it would be funny if they did an entire expansion based upon a single piece of concept art while taking absolutely no inspiration from it beyond the name.

[Saintlel]

Honestly giving primalist eyes or draconic eyes as customization reward would be not so much different than night warrior eyes, especially now when you can fight big bads while wearing clown or yeti onesie outfits.

I feel like blizzard needs to give players more freedom with customization and let them decide the backstory of their characters.
Other big mmos have more freedom when it comes to character customization and it's good.

Also i think it would be fun if you could unlock hairstyles of npc's etc. after doing some achievements.

Like FFXIV, ESO, GW2 are giving more freely access to NPC items that they wear or their customization, but in wow when some npc item shows up in loot table, it has 0,00000001% chance to drop.

I'd take a rare drop over spending money for it

This is in reference to FFXIV and GW2, I don't know anything about ESO

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I'd take a rare drop over spending money for it

Well we have trading post now and it costs nothing i guess.

But overall i was talking more about earning something than RNG, because in my mind working for something and getting it is always better than RNG, where you might not even see the item you want for years.

Like what they did with Night warrior and Dark ranger customization.


All in all im veery curious what they do with next expansion and patches.

[Ersula]

Xal herself was, what happened to her previous body is unknown.

Her Artifact Bio specifically says the other Old Gods utterly destroyed it, and the tiny piece that was made into the dagger was all that remained.

[Kiivar86]

One thing that struck me as I flew to Orgrimmar to get the treasure goblin thing, the old world is remarkably flat. I guess I never really thought of it much but man it is flat as hell. Granted I was over the Barrens at that point so maybe that's partly the point of it but yeah.

So while I'm not really looking forward to a world revamp, if it does happen, I wouldn't mind things being made more like the Dragon Isles. It definitely feels more alive to me there.

Do any YouTubers like him do anything other than recap the findings of threads like these?

Spread that info out across multiple videos.

I don't hate Youtubers, mind. I hate clickbait, especially those that seek to inflame one side or another.