Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Scyth]

Its the campaign for either side that came with 5.1, based in Krasarang Wilds.

Oh I see, thanks! So I just need to complete the campaign in that area, got it. Thought it would involve the full MoP campaign lol

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Also, it is very much possible the Aspects created the Vault with the Titans in mind, especially since Týr was a good friend of theirs.

It's mentioned some where in the book that Tyr would likely want the incarnates and ordered dragons that sided with them dead but alex is against it, Though I don't know the wording to pull up a quote on that.

[Joshuaj]

It's mentioned some where in the book that Tyr would likely want the incarnates and ordered dragons that sided with them dead but alex is against it, Though I don't know the wording to pull up a quote on that.

Gotcha. That's interesting to say the least, and that's definitely not against how Keepers behave, especially when you consider what Galan told the Earthern of Khaz'algar.

The Keepers worship their creators and the functions of Order.

[Nize]

Other than the scenario quests sure. They still are as annoying as they always have been.



I don't think its much faster for one char. After a bit more than 4 hours i reached level 30. Apparently level 60-70 takes a while too because quests exp doesn't scale as much as needed xp does, but no idea if that is true.
Also the cloak scales differently for alts as well. Just tested it and a new char only gets 4% more exp while my "main" gets 35%. I thought they get the full upgrade as well.
You will probably notice a difference for each additional character you are leveling after your first reaches 70, but it won't make a huge difference if you only want to level one.

The bonuses to alts only comes from the Infinite Power achieve, which goes up to XII. Probably not worth to create the alt until then as it seems to only apply to NEWLY created alts. I made an alt shortly after making my main guy, I went to check his cloak again and it's still at 0% exp gain while main's is at 35%

[Scyth]

I wish exp threads would drop more often, barely seen any so far. Haven't done any raid/dungeons yet though so maybe they drop more there.

[Samin]

I wish exp threads would drop more often, barely seen any so far. Haven't done any raid/dungeons yet though so maybe they drop more there.

Probably just bad luck? I'm 42 and it's the highest stat on my cloak (besides stamina), I've done 1 dungeon and 1 scenario so far, otherwise just questing.

[Alanar]

I was like oke cool..but then I got to the part of jade forest, with these annoying scenarios, were you play either one of the party members.. god these things are so slow.

[Sondrelk]

I was like oke cool..but then I got to the part of jade forest, with these annoying scenarios, were you play either one of the party members.. god these things are so slow.

There is a reason they got moved to regular solo questing where they belong.
They were neat as a sort of pseudo-dungeon for when you want to move the story forwards, but they were pretty poor as an actual gameplay element.

At least this should make people stop thinking that since it was in MoP, it had to be good. By the logic that since people remember liking MoP, everything in it had to be good.

[Dracullus]

Damn, Pandaria questing was superb.

It was better than Cata, but let's not get carried away with current hype. MoP went far too heavy with vehicle quests, it was WoD that toned it down and perfected formula.

Also remember Remix benefits from various more recent improvements, like level scaling, modern quest markings, separating campaign from side quests, map pin and last but not least dragonriding.

[Lahis]

Since nobody bothered to simply quote the damn book:



And this is it.
There is not a single mention what tech they used and how they actually built it, besides "with the help of the titan-forged".

We can only infer from what we know, and given how the vault is explicitly titanic in-design, repeatedly described as a titanic facility and how their prisons are explicitly titan containment devices, they clearly just used titan technology.

So in the end, even if it was build after the Aspects' order, and stylized on the outside with Dragon architecture, it was built by Titanforged with Titan technology.

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With Transmog, it's still a choice. Plenty of kilts even before the various "open coat" pant models from DF, which actually look interesting, at least on quick look via the Wowhead Dressing Room.

Not to mention the initial choice of rolling a Mechagnome. If you don't like the race based on a potentially bad outfit, maybe just don't play it?

Open coats don't work on mechagnomes. No 3D bits on leg armor will show on them. Only robes will cover the legs.

[Alanar]

There is a reason they got moved to regular solo questing where they belong.
They were neat as a sort of pseudo-dungeon for when you want to move the story forwards, but they were pretty poor as an actual gameplay element.

At least this should make people stop thinking that since it was in MoP, it had to be good. By the logic that since people remember liking MoP, everything in it had to be good.

I think you confuse it with the actual scenarios, which were very mediocore. The ones I am talking about are midquesting, with cutscenes, that even when cancel you cant move yet, because they are not done talking.

The questing feels rather slow like this. I forgot how boring that was even back then. But yes scenarios in MoP were weird and very short. Meaningless.

[Nymrohd]

It was better than Cata, but let's not get carried away with current hype. MoP went far too heavy with vehicle quests, it was WoD that toned it down and perfected formula.

Also remember Remix benefits from various more recent improvements, like level scaling, modern quest markings, separating campaign from side quests, map pin and last but not least dragonriding.

I guess I am a rarity in this regards but I found WoD to be a mixed bag. Entry zones and Spires of Arak were exceptional. Gorgrond was a mess except maybe the Laughing Skull parts but those were cut short, Talador felt directionless with the Shattrath scenario making no sense and with Nagrand I just didn't get why Grommashar looked like a trash heap (and felt the Warsong were the worst represented of the clans)

[Scyth]

Probably just bad luck? I'm 42 and it's the highest stat on my cloak (besides stamina), I've done 1 dungeon and 1 scenario so far, otherwise just questing.

Could be bad luck yeah. Admittedly I am only level 25 but so far I've got 14% exp gain only lol

[Nathanyel]

Open coats don't work on mechagnomes. No 3D bits on leg armor will show on them. Only robes will cover the legs.

Ah I see, then that is an error of the Wowhead Modelviewer.
Well, I stand by my point, there are kilts in addition to robes, you can do a lot with belts that have 3D elements, and I noticed the Plunderlord's Waistcoat (sic) chestpiece has some 3D bits covering the sides of the hips.
All I'm saying is, if you mog your Mechagnome with just white pants, then that's on you. I deem races with limited transmog options as bold experiments - if we complain about this, we'll never get Naga or even Ethereals.

[Samin]

Could be bad luck yeah. Admittedly I am only level 25 but so far I've got 14% exp gain only lol

Might also be important that after level 30 you start getting larger stat increases from threads, there's another at 50 or something and another at max level

[Kiivar86]

I was like oke cool..but then I got to the part of jade forest, with these annoying scenarios, were you play either one of the party members.. god these things are so slow.

Those are somewhat annoying but the worst are the ones where you're playing as the sniper and shooting mobs. No one at Blizzard apparently thought about how a fixed perspective can make it really hard to see mobs because the damn trees are in the way.

Could be bad luck yeah. Admittedly I am only level 25 but so far I've got 14% exp gain only lol

Have you done quests at all? The crate rewards from quests seem to drop them pretty regularly, I feel.

[Ksgrip]

I saw one thing on Twitter that said that there are some tensions between Geyarah and Turalyon for obvious reasons. So it may be partially to build up that.

She was quite despective to him but I don’t remember Turalyon saying anything in that regards. Seems more like the one with a grudge is her.


Edit: it seems she just hates the alliance in general and wants to be an asshole about it

[Varodoc]

As I have been saying for years, either Geya'rah acknowledges that MU Lightforged =/= AU Lightforged (as We have to acknowledge that MU Orcs =/= Iron Horde), or she's Garrosh 3.0.

I am so sick and tired of these characters who are irrationally stupid, I genuinely can't take it anymore. How is it so difficult to understand that MU Lightforged are not as committed to the crusade as AU Lightforged? Surely it can't be too difficult to understand this simple concept of "different timelines, different rules"?

This is the first time I've seen Geya'rah do anything since 2018 and I'm already tired of her.

[Ksgrip]

As I have been saying for years, either Geya'rah acknowledges that MU Lightforged =/= AU Lightforged (as We have to acknowledge that MU Orcs =/= Iron Horde), or she's Garrosh 3.0.

I am so sick and tired of these characters who are irrationally stupid, I genuinely can't take it anymore. How is it so difficult to understand that MU Lightforged are not as committed to the crusade as AU Lightforged? Surely it can't be too difficult to understand this simple concept of "different timelines, different rules"?

This is the first time I've seen Geya'rah do anything since 2018 and I'm already tired of her.

I can already see her doing something stupid and reignite the faction war at the worst moment

[Varodoc]

I can already see her doing something stupid and reignite the faction war at the worst moment

What makes it all the more obnoxious is that she's now been on Azeroth for almost 10 years.

BfA started in the Year 33, and the Mag'har questline took place in that year. TWW likely takes place in Year 42, so that's almost 10 years since Geya'rah came to Azeroth.

What have Turalyon and the Lightforged done in the last 10 years? Hm... Pretty much nothing. Yet that is still not enough to convince Geya'rah?

Well guess what, Metzen stated that the Light will be the main ally of Midnight, so either Geya'rah concedes that she doesn't have any right to complain, or she'll be in the Dungeon Encounter journal very soon.