Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

As far as we are aware, it does. It's just not always a mortal soul.

I mean spirit is in every thing a tree a bush a flower, Mabye it’s touched on in some Druid content or book but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a que for the processing of birch trees in the Sl or any other plain.

[Ersula]

I mean spirit is in every thing a tree a bush a flower, Mabye it’s touched on in some Druid content or book but I’m pretty sure there isn’t a que for the processing of birch trees in the Sl or any other plain.

Not necessarily. Stoneborn require Anima to come to life, but they ostensibly don't have souls. They are only extensions of whomever made them.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Not necessarily. Stoneborn require Anima to come to life, but they ostensibly don't have souls. They are only extensions of whomever made them.

People and things in the Sl aren’t alive it’s the realm of death….

[Santandame]

Surely Xal’atath’s words that the world soul has long eluded her suggests she’s more likely to be a void lord than just a lieutenant of one?

[Chickat]

Nah it's pointless with 476 people all bosses fall on your sight.

Ah ok. I just hit 70, spent all my bronze and got to 400ilev.

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Was fixed in a day or so. Though the scaling was on the mob side and made them stronger than they should have been.

Ah, I just saw people talking about it and wondered if I should do it since I just started getting serious.

[Cheezits]

Surely Xal’atath’s words that the world soul has long eluded her suggests she’s more likely to be a void lord than just a lieutenant of one?

I think it's going to end up being that the Black Empire wanted to do something different to the World Soul than Xal and Dimensius (who may just want to eat/consume it). So the BE put Xal in the dagger so she couldn't rat on them to the Void Lords.

[huth]

Ah ok. I just hit 70, spent all my bronze and got to 400ilev.

By the time you've fully upgraded your gear, you'll be soloing most raids on normal and at least some bosses on HC. And still only take slightly longer than in LFR.

SoO solo is impossible though. They undid the Galakras change that made it possible to down him with one cannon.

[Foolicious]

I think it's going to end up being that the Black Empire wanted to do something different to the World Soul than Xal and Dimensius (who may just want to eat/consume it). So the BE put Xal in the dagger so she couldn't rat on them to the Void Lords.

N'zoth releasing her from the dagger speaks against this theory, but i still kind of agree. Xal said that the titans didn't understand the void and most of what we know about the black empire is at least to some part manipulated by the keepers or titans themself. It wouldn't suprise me if the nature of the old gods and voidlords will be changed somewhat in the next expansions.

[Jolly Roger]

whoah I'm glad you've shared this. It's quite dizzying to be faced with this kind of attitude.

honestly not the craziest thing from this week lol

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N'zoth releasing her from the dagger speaks against this theory, but i still kind of agree. Xal said that the titans didn't understand the void and most of what we know about the black empire is at least to some part manipulated by the keepers or titans themself. It wouldn't suprise me if the nature of the old gods and voidlords will be changed somewhat in the next expansions.

nzoth is merely a schemer
Xal made a deal that she would deliver us and the dagger to nzoth in exchange for her freedom and thays a great deal

give her a decade in game and unchecked movement....shes finally a threat

[Chickat]

By the time you've fully upgraded your gear, you'll be soloing most raids on normal and at least some bosses on HC. And still only take slightly longer than in LFR.

SoO solo is impossible though. They undid the Galakras change that made it possible to down him with one cannon.

I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.

[Dracullus]

I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.

You are geared enough to not die on every corner and slow down group. Just make group on finder and invite high people (there will be a lot 476 in queue). As I said, raids will fall faster than Sepulcher transmog runs in DF.

World tour every day (just HC raids) + dailies will give you little bit over 110k bronze. So if you are uncomfortable when people boost you it will be just 1-2 days, one tier of gear upgrade is like 40k.

Before that you can clear all achievs, all give bronze caches and now you will profit from double drop. And when you reach 476, Mythic SoO is very easy too, just little bit longer than HC (with same bronze rewards), so people don't really farm as often.

[Joshuaj]

I'd really prefer if they revamped Silvermoon and other cities before Orgrimmar..

Oh man...

this is funny

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Kinda can't avoid doing Silvermoon in Midnight.

Not to mention that the city's canonically being rebuilt. Meaning I wouldn't be surprised if it was our Neutral hub.

[Dracullus]

I'm 99% sure about Silvermoon hub too, but let's not jinx it, my biggest fear is that they will put together some troll Amani hub and Silvermoon will be Void Suramar xD.

[Viridiel]

It's heavily implied that both Spirit and Decay combining is what creates flesh. We're outright told that Spirit and Decay mingling inside of a soul is what creates Anima and in turn makes a soul mortal and binds it to the Shadowlands, and throughout the history of the game there are several references to flesh being the thing which turns titanforged mortal. The two possibilities from that are that either flesh is a result of Anima in the soul, or that flesh signifies that there's a soul to begin with and Anima is normal for titanforged. I find the latter very unlikely since we know that non-flesh-bound souls exist (see elementals, demons, etc.) and I doubt the titans are using Anima to power their servants. Also, Yogg-Saron, creator of the Curse of Flesh, is heavily associated with Death and the Galakrond fight showed a connection to Decay too (not that Death and Decay are very well separated most of the time).

I don't think it's unlikely at all that every "living" being on Azeroth has a soul. Personally I think all souls come from the world soul and their splitting off and gaining independence is something to do with Light and Void interacting as explained in Chronicle--both the Light and Void are heavily associated with the mind, so their combination being what creates or splits and propagates consciousness isn't much of a stretch at all.

The reason there aren't any titanforged ghosts and we didn't see any in the Shadowlands is because their souls contain no Anima and therefore either disappear forever when they die or are sent to the Realm of Order (the latter being the most likely since they would be imbued with Order magic).

[huth]

I dont really care about mythic tbh. I just want to be high enough to do heroic world tours. Not sure what ilev that is. Managed to get my stuff inbetween 416 and 430 today so ill probably be average 440 something tomorrow.

It's not about Mythic, SoO is flat-out impossible solo on any difficulty. You cannot get beyond Galakras because you can't get him to land.

[Chickat]

You are geared enough to not die on every corner and slow down group. Just make group on finder and invite high people (there will be a lot 476 in queue). As I said, raids will fall faster than Sepulcher transmog runs in DF.

World tour every day (just HC raids) + dailies will give you little bit over 110k bronze. So if you are uncomfortable when people boost you it will be just 1-2 days, one tier of gear upgrade is like 40k.

Before that you can clear all achievs, all give bronze caches and now you will profit from double drop. And when you reach 476, Mythic SoO is very easy too, just little bit longer than HC (with same bronze rewards), so people don't really farm as often.

I get double bronze if I do what?

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It's not about Mythic, SoO is flat-out impossible solo on any difficulty. You cannot get beyond Galakras because you can't get him to land.

I dont care about soloing anything. I just want to be high enough to get into heroic pugs.

[Dracullus]

I get double bronze if I do what?

Nothing, its global buff from Blizzard. Every cache give x2 what it did few days ago, even if you hoarded caches and opened them after buff.

[Chickat]

Nothing, its global buff from Blizzard. Every cache give x2 what it did few days ago, even if you hoarded caches and opened them after buff.

Ah, I thought you were saying I would get double bronze for doing all achievements.

[Teriz]

Delves & Hero Talents are way more impactful than a crafting system lifted from FFXIV, Dragonflying, which I like but a lot of friends who play don't like it, and a new class which most people won't even play more than a few minutes.

Whether or not you or “your friends” liked them or not is irrelevant to the fact that Dragonriding, revamped talent system, and a new race/class with the game’s first support spec is far more impactful to WoW than 10 themed talent points to the talent tree and Delves.

Now maybe if Blizzard pulls an Augmentation-level shocker, AI-companion, and Trader’s station over the course of this expansion, I’ll change my tune. But as of right now, it’s not looking impressive.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

An expansion doesn't need to pack the game full of new permanent features to be good. What matters is the quality of the gameplay rotation, leveling experience, and patch cadence. Adding new features solely for the sake of adding new features will only damage the core of the expansion.

AI-companion

It may be wrong of me, but I play a game that mainly still exists for the social experience under the impression I'm going to get to engage in that social experience. The more we reduce the social element of WoW, the worse the game becomes on every level. People have already long made a habit of viewing socializing as a superfluous inconvenience to their single-player experience, and the fanbase just continues to grow more toxic because of it. Only when players have no choice but to socialize in most aspects of the game is the game truly enjoyable to play—"gogogo" type players who are unwilling to socialize beyond the bare minimum required for advancement fall behind until they either learn to socialize or quit. Letting the game grow less social will only diminish it because WoW has no niche left beyond being "the" MMORPG.