Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[FelPlague]

That's not really an excuse though. Simply because something is deemed "unpopular" doesn't mean it shouldn't have been created. There's probably thousands of players who are playing WoW currently who wouldn't be playing if those "unpopular" additions weren't added.



Which isn't something to harp about, because those things might not happen, and if they do happen, they still pale in comparison to 2 new races at launch, or a new class.

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Which expansions are you talking about?

WoD and Shadowlands? Universally considered two of the worst expansions in the franchise?

At least WoD had updated graphics for the existing races.

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Despite you not personally playing an Evoker, Evokers have unquestionably effected and changed the game, especially in group content. So while you didn't personally roll the new class, your dungeons, raids, and PvP were undoubtedly effected by their presence, especially with them getting a support spec.

WOD, shadowlands, wotlk, legion, ah yes, wotlk and legion, the worst expansions as you say.

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you're just being disingenuous at this point. people are really vocal about wanting certain races. no one (hyperbolic) asked for earthens


what do you mean? dwarves having the accent they've had for the past 20 years is problematic now? lol

And people were very vocal about wanting earthen. I love how you speak for the community by saying no one wants them, while the community has been asking for them for what. 15 years?

[Eldryth]

I feel like people are really overlooking Delves here. A whole new pillar of endgame to go alongside Raids and M+ is massive, especially one that manages to give solo players and small groups meaningful progression. And if they actually succeed in giving us a Mage Tower-style challenge boss with every season, that'd be amazing.

Sure, it does resemble stuff like Scenarios. They're ultimately both attempts to fill the same niche, and it was always a good idea- one that Blizzard always ultimately failed to follow through on in their past attempts. Scenarios, Island Expeditions, Torghast... they all started with potential but were pretty much treated like a gimmick.

I don't know if Delves will live up to their potential right from the start either, but if the devs are serious about making this one evergreen- which certainly seems to be the case, given that I'm pretty sure they mentioned it being in Midnight too- then I'm sure it'll only get better over the course of the expansion.


Also, as for Dragonflight's feature, the great thing about evergreen development is that everything that it added and improved on will continue to help TWW. I personally consider the item upgrade system to be the single greatest improvement that I can remember ever happening to WoW, and it'll still be there going forward. Even if there weren't any exciting features in TWW, we'd still have all of Dragonflight's great gameplay, plus whatever else they improve on now. So, even if you consider the new stuff to be small, it's still an improved Dragonflight. I would definitely be pessimistic about that if it were following a weaker expansion like WoD or Shadowlands, but WoW's in a good place now- more Dragonflight gameplay would still be great.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

And this is good. I don't think most players want to hear yet another stereotypical accent that could lead to problematic implications.

Is "millennia-old rock people" an offensive Russian or Scottish stereotype?

[Xilurm]

And this is good. I don't think most players want to hear yet another stereotypical accent that could lead to problematic implications.

I wish this shit was reportable. What an obviously troll post.

[Teriz]

WOD, shadowlands, wotlk, legion, ah yes, wotlk and legion, the worst expansions as you say.

A new class is a great substitute for new races. Sadly TWW isn’t getting one of those either.

[Santandame]

Earthen have been a fan favourite ask since wotlk.

Listen, I actually quite like the Earthen and I fully intend to play one, but the revisionist history in this thread regarding the Earthen is ridiculous now. A couple of people have mentioned Earthen being a fan favourite race/subrace/allied race ask since Wrath and it hasn’t been. Whenever people have asked for subraces(originally), and then allied races as well as other races, Earthen have been at the very bottom of the totem pole.

Ethereal
Ogres
Arrakoa
Naga
Tuskarr
Vrykul
High Elves
Broken
Mok’nathal
Dark Irons
Wildhammer
Taunka

Even Drakonids.

All of the above were much requested as either a new race, allied race, a subrace or customisation options. People were not crying out for Earthen.

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People have asked to play as basically every mob in the game. That said, while the original statement was obviously hyperbolic, earthen (and dark irons), have never been even remotely popular asks. Like we won't even talk about being in the running for actual begged for races (ogres, naga, ethereals, vrykul etc.), Earthen don't even beat out more the more obscure and less popular asks like jinyu and hozen, murlocs, dryads, mok'nathal, saberon, botani, furbolgs and so on. Earthen (and I'm not exaggerating here) probably don't even make the top 30 for requested races.

"Players, both current and former, have been asking for playable Earthen dwarves since WotLK" is almost an even more hyperbolic stance than "no one asked for them". The handful of times they've ever even been brought up as a potential or want, it was typically not as a playable race, but in the context of subraces being added along with Dark Iron. They historically weren't even desirable enough to end up in most polls about what people would like added, and when not included, there was never really anyone posting "Hey, you forgot Earthen!".


This is just outright fabrication. They have never been anywhere close to a fan favorite.

Thank you for surmising it better and including many more actual requested races.

[FelPlague]

Listen, I actually quite like the Earthen and I fully intend to play one, but the revisionist history in this thread regarding the Earthen is ridiculous now. A couple of people have mentioned Earthen being a fan favourite race/subrace/allied race ask since Wrath and it hasn’t been. Whenever people have asked for subraces(originally), and then allied races as well as other races, Earthen have been at the very bottom of the totem pole.

Ethereal
Ogres
Arrakoa
Naga
Tuskarr
Vrykul
High Elves
Broken
Mok’nathal
Dark Irons
Wildhammer
Taunka

Even Drakonids.

All of the above were much requested as either a new race, allied race, a subrace or customisation options. People were not crying out for Earthen.

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Thank you for surmising it better and including many more actual requested races.

1- yes, people were crying out for earthen, as they did for dark iron and wild hammer, and guess what, all 3 are in the game now!

2- those other races are great and I want them too, but if mok'nathal was being added we would be having literally the exact same conversation, if ogres were added we would be having the exact same conversation. No matter what people will want different races, some want ethereal, some want naga, some want ogre, some want murloc, you can't please everyone, so they add more and more over time, and right now that is earthen.

[Varodoc]

The idea that Earthen were as requested as Ethereals/Naga is wild to me. Genuinely wild.

[FelPlague]

The idea that Earthen were as requested as Ethereals/Naga is wild to me. Genuinely wild.

Who said they were as requested as ethereal and naga?

[Santandame]

1- yes, people were crying out for earthen, as they did for dark iron and wild hammer, and guess what, all 3 are in the game now!

2- those other races are great and I want them too, but if mok'nathal was being added we would be having literally the exact same conversation, if ogres were added we would be having the exact same conversation. No matter what people will want different races, some want ethereal, some want naga, some want ogre, some want murloc, you can't please everyone, so they add more and more over time, and right now that is earthen.

You’re quite literally lying if you‘re saying that Earthen were a much requested fan favourite since Wrath that people were crying out for.

[Darkarath]

Yeah I have to agree with the people pointing out that Earthen was NOT a requested race.

I have been in WoW forums forever and not a single time I have seen a post requesting them. High Elves, Vrykuls, Nagas, Sethrak, Mok'nathal, Drakonid, Tuskarr... Plenty of posts asking these races to be playable, but Earthen? No. Not saying that there is not one, but they are far less than ANY other race.

Hope that they have a plan for them in the future, because I hate to have all these races that NEVER get any attention.

[Mekkle]

Having a third dwarf like race is fine (am biased here), i personally think 3 variations is ok, but having 5 elves is absured and no one seems to bat an eye here; Night Elves, Void elves, Nightborne, Blood Elves, and yes i am gonna include Dracthyr and some of you even want more

and no i don't care if elves are the most commonly played race, they're extremely boring design wise and the Male BE posture is rediculous.

I personally think we need something more then just another human with pointy ears, not every race has to be pretty. Ogres, Ethereals, or Naga are the only way unless they have another similar option.

[Varodoc]

Having a third dwarf like race is fine (am biased here), i personally think 3 variations is ok, but having 5 elves is absured and no one seems to bat an eye here; Night Elves, Void elves, Nightborne, Blood Elves, and yes i am gonna include Dracthyr and some of you even want more

and no i don't care if elves are the most commonly played race, they're extremely boring design wise and the Male BE posture is rediculous.

I personally think we need something more then just another human with pointy ears, not every race has to be pretty. Ogres, Ethereals, or Naga are the only way unless they have another similar option.

Okay but this is just disingenuous and dishonest.

If you're counting Dracthyr as Elves, then they are also Humans (reminder that Female Dracthyr are Humans), and Dracthyr and Elves are more distant in the biology scale than Forsaken/Worgen and Humans.

So you think that 5 variations of Elves is bad? Wait until you find the 5 variations of Humans: Humans, Kul Tirans, Worgen, Forsaken, and Dracthyr.

Humans are never beating the oversaturation allegations.

Oh, by the way, Harronir Elves are all but confirmed.

[Mekkle]

Also a criticism of the Earthen, not enough hair and beard options, needs nearly double the amount.

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Okay but this is just disingenuous and dishonest.

If you're counting Dracthyr as Elves, then they are also Humans (reminder that Female Dracthyr are Humans), and Dracthyr and Elves are more distant in the biology scale than Forsaken/Worgen and Humans.

So you think that 5 variations of Elves is bad? Wait until you find the 5 variations of Humans: Humans, Kul Tirans, Worgen, Forsaken, and Dracthyr.

Humans are never beating the oversaturation allegations.

Oh, by the way, Harronir Elves are all but confirmed.

i dont really care much about the harronir, they ain't elves and i don't know were people are getting it from Unless i missed a piece of quest text.

And i ain't being dishonest about dracthyr, its just how i feel about there Visage form just looking very much elvish. Was just my personal opinion on them and i'll clarify that next time.

Don't need to be rude now.

Edit: i thought about and they only part i agree is that they should've made Worgens not transform. But undead at the very least have different animations and look nearly unrecognizable as humans, not even gonna engage with the Dracthyr comment.

[Teriz]

The idea that Earthen were as requested as Ethereals/Naga is wild to me. Genuinely wild.

It’s complete nonsense. I mean they’re an interesting AR, but there are FAR more races that were actually requested. Them being a third Dwarf race doesn’t help, because dwarves aren’t all that popular in of themselves.

[FelPlague]

You’re quite literally lying if you‘re saying that Earthen were a much requested fan favourite since Wrath that people were crying out for.

I mean I'm not, but if it helps you sleep at night sure.
Same could be said for naga.

[Varodoc]

Edit: i thought about and they only part i agree is that they should've made Worgens not transform. But undead at the very least have different animations and look nearly unrecognizable as humans, not even gonna engage with the Dracthyr comment.

Have you actually played a Dracthyr? You are aware that their female form is a Human, Yes? So why are the Dracthyr only Elves and not Humans too?

[Mekkle]

Have you actually played a Dracthyr? You are aware that their female form is a Human, Yes? So why are the Dracthyr only Elves and not Humans too?

pointy ears :3

also, i mained dracthyr in dragonflight, love the playstyle.

[Varodoc]

pointy ears :3

also, i mained dracthyr in dragonflight, love the playstyle.

Orcs have pointy ears too. I guess Orcs are Elves too. You've cracked the code.

[Scyth]

Having a third dwarf like race is fine (am biased here), i personally think 3 variations is ok, but having 5 elves is absured and no one seems to bat an eye here; Night Elves, Void elves, Nightborne, Blood Elves, and yes i am gonna include Dracthyr and some of you even want more

and no i don't care if elves are the most commonly played race, they're extremely boring design wise and the Male BE posture is rediculous.

I personally think we need something more then just another human with pointy ears, not every race has to be pretty. Ogres, Ethereals, or Naga are the only way unless they have another similar option.

Numbers dont lie though. Why develop a race barely anyone will play when they know Elves will be played by many? Elves are also better for marketing.
I agree we have a lot but the playerbase clearly likes Elves and Blizz knows that.