Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

Khaz Algar map has very obvious places for Rootlands and Undermine (bottom left and right respectively)

Tbh, I think the rootlands and the goblin raid are part of the same patch.

My theory is that the venture company are going to go into the rootlands do their typical shenanigans. I think the Harronir will try and get us to aid them in repelling the venture company, which could be part of their AR requirements, if they're ARs.

[Treegdar]

Neither mmoc or wowhead have mentioned it, but Ringing deeps and Hallowfall both have the actual maps in as well on PTR at least.

[Cheezits]

Tbh, I think the rootlands and the goblin raid are part of the same patch.

My theory is that the venture company are going to go into the rootlands do their typical shenanigans. I think the Harronir will try and get us to aid them in repelling the venture company, which could be part of their AR requirements, if they're ARs.

What's the megadungeon then? Rootlands is currently all that fits the parameters for it unless they have us go into Beledar.

[Nightshade711]

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Ethereals vs World Soul last patch? Nice of them to spoil the entire expansion I guess.

Wow...
This is very soon for the final raid/patch content to be datamined - I wonder if this is truly a major patch raid, or another mini-raid like Crucible of Storms.

[Cheezits]

Wow...
This is very soon for the final raid/patch content to be datamined - I wonder if this is truly a major patch raid, or another mini-raid like Crucible of Storms.

Could be a miniraid, but given the Xal/Dimensius connection and the Ethereal boss in Nerubar being a tease, it really could be the last raid. They make sense as her goons to attack the world soul and would give them a reason to update Ethereals before they show up in Midnight.

There go my "Qiraji help Xal corrupt the worldsoul" dreams. But it would've been too repetitive with the Nerubians. And Ethereals make sense to go from Black Empire (Aqir Nerubians) -> Void proper.

[Nightshade711]

What's the megadungeon then? Rootlands is currently all that fits the parameters for it unless they have us go into Beledar.

I think a Beledar-based megadungeon could be possible. But it is curious, with the M+ mounts I thought we would be getting a light themed patch.

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Could be a miniraid, but given the Xal/Dimensius connection and the Ethereal boss in Nerubar being a tease, it really could be the last raid. They make sense as her goons to attack the world soul and would give them a reason to update Ethereals before they show up in Midnight.

There go my "Qiraji help Xal corrupt the worldsoul" dreams. But it would've been too repetitive with the Nerubians.

This does slightly lower my hopes of playable Etherals in Midnight, I am starting to think Blizzard forgot that there was an entire faction of Ethereals that were actively fighting the void / Dimensius.

[Foolicious]

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Ethereals vs World Soul last patch? Nice of them to spoil the entire expansion I guess.

I wouldn't read too much into it. Looks like new icons for raidloot from nexus-princess Ky'veza. Your symbol is probably for the treacherous transmitter and void reapers contract seems to be renamed to void reapers chime and uses the ethereal bell symbol.

Possible they spoiled a ethereal raid, but i'm not so sure considering where these items drop. Do we know if ky'veza survives the raidfight? Did anyone do the boss on ptr?

[Cheezits]

This does slightly lower my hopes of playable Etherals in Midnight, I am starting to think Blizzard forgot that there was an entire faction of Ethereals that were actively fighting the void / Dimensius.

Ethereals getting an update before Midnight launches is possibly a sign pointing towards them being playable IMO, I think their new models (if they get them: Nerubar princess uses a Legion style model) would be a big hint towards them being playable or not.

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I wouldn't read too much into it. Looks like new icons for raidloot from nexus-princess Ky'veza. Your symbol is probably for the treacherous transmitter and void reapers contract seems to be renamed to void reapers chime and uses the ethereal bell symbol.

Possible they spoiled a ethereal raid, but i'm not so sure considering where these items drop. Do we know if ky'veza survives the raidfight? Did anyone do the boss on ptr?

Agreed they come from Ky'veza but usually raid items are coded to the name of their respective raid. Similarly to how the Hallowsfall dungeon items have "arathordungeon" in their filename. As there are multiple colors they could reuse the item icons later.

Could be an accidental spoil, but given how much of the entire expansion they teased in alpha/beta, I think it's intentional.

[Treegdar]

I wouldn't read too much into it. Looks like new icons for raidloot from nexus-princess Ky'veza. Your symbol is probably for the treacherous transmitter and void reapers contract seems to be renamed to void reapers chime and uses the ethereal bell symbol.

Possible they spoiled a ethereal raid, but i'm not so sure considering where these items drop. Do we know if ky'veza survives the raidfight? Did anyone do the boss on ptr?

The transmitter and contract both already have icons in the PTR tho. The Transmitter's effect even says, "Equip: Your spells and abilites have a very high chance to power the Transmitter and receive a snippet of cryptic instructions from somewhere in the Twisting Nether..."

Don't feel like its that big of a long shot to think this etherealraid_communicator could be the other end of the transmitter from the ethereals that are directing Nexus-Princess Ky'veza that will show up in 11.1 or 11.2

[Chickat]

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Ethereals vs World Soul last patch? Nice of them to spoil the entire expansion I guess.

Its possible the rootlands will be a smaller zone like Forbidden reach with a mega dungeon near the tree roots.
2nd raid Undermind.
3rd raid Karesh and karesh megazone.

We fail in 11.2 leading us to retreat to the Sunwell to protect it.

[Cheezits]

3rd raid Karesh and karesh megazone.

We fail in 11.2 leading us to retreat to the Sunwell to protect it.

I think Karesh is being saved for Midnight as the Argus equivalent, due to the slow buildup to both it and Dimensius.

No idea what the 11.2 area would be in its stead save for some vague area around the world soul/under Silithus. Or it's just a raid and this is part of the accelerated schedule?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Lightning Bolt 2 sec cast Instant.

??????

Is this an actual thing on the beta or is it some random non player lighting bolt a flub in the notes or what?

[Hitei]

Is this an actual thing on the beta or is it some random non player lighting bolt a flub in the notes or what?

Just a listed change in the MMO-C notes, afaik.

[Darkarath]

I think Karesh is being saved for Midnight as the Argus equivalent, due to the slow buildup to both it and Dimensius.

No idea what the 11.2 area would be in its stead save for some vague area around the world soul/under Silithus. Or it's just a raid and this is part of the accelerated schedule?

Agreed that K'aresh is probably being saved for Midnight, would be surprised otherwise.

If the final patch only have a raid and not a new zone they can seriously fuck off with this new schedule. Doubt they will be THAT stupid, though.

[Foolicious]

Agreed they come from Ky'veza but usually raid items are coded to the name of their respective raid. Similarly to how the Hallowsfall dungeon items have "arathordungeon" in their filename. As there are multiple colors they could reuse the item icons later.

Could be an accidental spoil, but given how much of the entire expansion they teased in alpha/beta, I think it's intentional.

Looked at her other items and even her own weapon is labeled as nerubianraid drop sooo yeah... Seems like we will have an ethereal raid

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Just a listed change in the MMO-C notes, afaik.

Huh wonder if they will go through with it, and hoe they will change the tree and storm keeper if they do.

[Joshuaj]

Redo the time-rifts, when they're invading Valdrakken that is what Sori says.

Yeah. It's clearly a POSSIBLE future involving Azeroth. That's what all the time rifts are. It's not based on our objective reality.

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Ethereals vs World Soul last patch? Nice of them to spoil the entire expansion I guess.

Wait...so K'aresh could be the possible final zone of TWW, and NOT Midnight??? Cause if that's the case...shiiieeettt. Would also kinda make the implication of us fighting Dimensius in MN all the more likely.

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It doesn't need to be the main center story. It does not need to be a massive total war like what we saw in Cata/MoP or BFA. It can still be local skirmishes like Frostwolves vs Stormpike Clan dwarves or Warsong lumberers vs Ashenvale garrison in Vanilla.

Anduin and Thrall might have declared an end to hostilities, but let's be honest. The captain of an Alliance platoon marching into the Ringing Deeps on his way to fight Nerubians is going to see Horde forces there and remember all the things the Horde did to his friends, his family, his country, his people. "We were friends with the Orcs, and then they burned our holy city of Light and paved a highway with our bones." "They invaded our world destroyed our kingdom and made my parents refugees". "They kidnapped my neighbors and experimented upon them in the Undercity, and raised others into undeath and enslaved them". "They blew up Theramore and then used my aunt for target practice in Orgrimmar". Etc. He's going to rally likeminded people he can count on to go take a few scalps. And then likewise, you're going to have a Horde commander or Orcish chieftain who thinks the Horde council are pussies, remembers the good ole days of Blackhand, Garrosh, etc and decides to take action to expand the Horde's holdings (or his clan's) and attack a nearby settlement. News of some of this will make it back up the chain to the state leaders Anduin and Thrall, and it will complicate their relations, but the Horde and Alliance are too large and there is no way to fully crack down on all of this. Probably lots of sympathizers (and corrupt profiteers) in the middle of the bureaucracy trying to protect the lower ranks on the frontline.

Another thing too is that you had generations of youth growing up in a time that glorified warriors fighting against the enemy. Now there has been a timeskip. You would have young men who grew up wanting to become an honorable warrior fighting for their country like his father and his neighbors and his elder friends/brothers, but by the time he has come of age the war is now officially over. He could easily be drawn into a partisan group (based in Hillsbrad, for example, but you could have this happening all over, be it in Northrend or Pandaria and so on) and cross the border to raid enemy villages, and return home with some scalps and the spoils of war and be celebrated in his community.

All of this could be still happening as a background plot while Anduin and Thrall are fighting together against the mob of the week.

Then have those be smaller stories, and have them primarily focus on either in-faction conflicts, or race-focused conflicts (like with the Elves or the Forsaken and Worgen).

[Santandame]

Now I know it’s not likely, but imagine this as a spanner thrown into the works - K’aresh as the mega dungeon for TWW. It would set up Dimensius and Xal’s relation to him. I don’t think it’s likely as I believe K’aresh to be the final patch zone for Midnight, but it’s a direction I wouldn’t be completely astounded to see.

Given the etherealraid info, I have to say I find it quite funny I mused this a while back. K’aresh raid in TWW is certainly a shock. Please, give us playable Ethereals in TWW.

[Joshuaj]

Honestly thought K'aresh would've been the Midnight zone ngl...

Shiet if Midnight ends with like a Light and Void realm collision raid, I'd be hyped asf.

[Hitei]

As has already been pointed out, it's probably just an icon for [Treacherous Transmitter] the trinket that drops of Ky'veza and that currently has a placeholder icon. Esepcially since this build also includes a bunch of other icons for currently placeholder'd trinkets in Nerub'ar, like [Gruesome Syringe].