Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

It is a bit funny how much in denial certain posters are about the rootlands just because it doesn’t fit their wishes.
We’ve got the map file & textures hinting to it along with the harronir presence in the trailer & beta. (With likely more story to come in the launch campaign when/if we visit their camp)

[Kiivar86]

It is a bit funny how much in denial certain posters are about the rootlands just because it doesn’t fit their wishes.
We’ve got the map file & textures hinting to it along with the harronir presence in the trailer & beta. (With likely more story to come in the launch campaign when/if we visit their camp)

I do think some skepticism is healthy, nothing is ever certain, but at the same time it does seem highly likely to me. Orwenya in the cinematic especially indicates to me its importance.

[Teriz]

Not as much as you are ignoring that the Goblins are not a singular monolithic entity.

Wouldn’t Goblins attempting to clear cut a forest like they’ve done multiple times over the course of WoW’s history be an indication that they are?

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It is a bit funny how much in denial certain posters are about the rootlands just because it doesn’t fit their wishes.
We’ve got the map file & textures hinting to it along with the harronir presence in the trailer & beta. (With likely more story to come in the launch campaign when/if we visit their camp)

I’m merely pointing out that both of Dragonflight’s patch raids (10.1 and 10.2) matched the thematics of the patch zone. So if we’re getting a goblin-based raid, we’re also likely getting a goblin-based zone.

Also it makes far more sense for Xal and her void forces to attack the rootlands, because unlike the Goblins she’s in their proximity and knows what they are.

Which sounds perfect for a mega dungeon Btw.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Kinda sad the World Soul locale

I think that would be better-suited to TLT.

[Nightshade711]

I’m merely pointing out that both of Dragonflight’s patch raids (10.1 and 10.2) matched the thematics of the patch zone.

Which isn’t always the case.

Take the Firelands for example. It is in Hyjal, a very nature-themed zone being invaded by fire elementals.
Yet the raid is in the realm of fire, not the emerald dream or some other nature-based zone.

Same principle can apply. Zone that doesn’t directly match the themes of an invading force, we go to the invading force’s realm/primary location to deal with them for good / end the threat to the zone in question.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I think that would be better-suited to TLT.

To be fair, I cannot conceptualize TLT at this point until we get TLT storyline seeds planted in later parts of Midnight. Obviously, hopefully they do at least use the World Soul as a background type concept at some point in this Saga.

[Teriz]

Which isn’t always the case.

Take the Firelands for example. It is in Hyjal, a very nature-themed zone being invaded by fire elementals.
Yet the raid is in the realm of fire, not the emerald dream or some other nature-based zone.

Same principle can apply. Zone that doesn’t directly match the themes of an invading force, we go to the invading force’s realm/primary location to deal with them for good / end the threat to the zone in question.

You're clearly talking about older development and patch cycle. I'm talking about the development and patch cycle Blizzard implemented in Dragonflight and is clearly using again in The War Within.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

What if the leaks due to the parallelized development being a thing now with 2 Teams working on Expansions/1 Team Working on Live Content mean that these could be for any of the Saga expansions?

I mean there's a chance or maybe this is all trolling by the Team because of them knowing the DrustRaid leak and wanted to be extra cheeky.

Again, I am skeptical about this blatant leak of two WIP Raids for this upcoming expansion actually leaking like this but I wouldn't be surprised if it was more complicated than we perceive. Then again, I guess they will "leak" this themselves within The War Within Roadmap releasing later this year so I guess it doesn't really matter as much.

Obviously, there is the whole "Why would it even leak onto the TWW Branch if it is unrelated to this current expansion" problem. Then again it could also always just be WIP ideas that didn't get greenlit too.

Again, I don't know what to believe but I have no idea on how this expansion concludes right now beyond Dimensius speculation but it doesn't really add up it feels like something is missing as connective tissue.

[Ielenia]

You're clearly talking about older development and patch cycle. I'm talking about the development and patch cycle Blizzard implemented in Dragonflight and is clearly using again in The War Within.

That has nothing to do with "development cycle". That's not even a "development cycle", or part of one.

[Chickat]

We won't get a 11.3 outside of season 4 and Tel'Abin for sure will be expansion content, not patch stuff. For real, please stop wanting expansion content for shitty patches ...

Id say Argus and Nazjatar both had more potential as expansion content compared to Tel abim yet we got both as patch content so /shrug.

[Teriz]

What if the leaks due to the parallelized development being a thing now with 2 Teams working on Expansions/1 Team Working on Live Content mean that these could be for any of the Saga expansions?

I mean there's a chance or maybe this is all trolling by the Team because of them knowing the DrustRaid leak and wanted to be extra cheeky.

Again, I am skeptical about this blatant leak of two WIP Raids for this upcoming expansion actually leaking like this but I wouldn't be surprised if it was more complicated than we perceive. Then again, I guess they will "leak" this themselves within The War Within Roadmap releasing later this year so I guess it doesn't really matter as much.

Obviously, there is the whole "Why would it even leak onto the TWW Branch if it is unrelated to this current expansion" problem. Then again it could also always just be WIP ideas that didn't get greenlit too.

Again, I don't know what to believe but I have no idea on how this expansion concludes right now beyond Dimensius speculation but it doesn't really add up it feels like something is missing as connective tissue.

It's totally possible that the final raid of TWW is a void patch/raid, possibly signifying an invasion, which at the end we "lose" and thus begins the Midnight expansion. That would completely support the leaks we're seeing.

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That has nothing to do with "development cycle". That's not even a "development cycle", or part of one.

The raid and patch set up in 11.0 is pretty much exactly the same as the raid and patch set up of 10.0. Which indicates that Blizzard is very likely going to follow what they did in Dragonflight, with 11.1 raid/patch being a side story of sorts, a mega dungeon for some added lore content, and 11.2 raid/patch completing the main storyline of the expansion.

[Chickat]

So? Ask blizzard why they’re including the roots & their protectors in both Freysworn and Harronir which were featured in the CG announcement trailer.


I didn’t say we’d go to the Undermine for a raid.
But maybe we go there for a boss fight or two near the end to deal with venture company leadership.

It fits perfectly with goblins exploitative nature. The roots are likely a great source of power, so of course the goblins would want to harvest it all for a profit.


None of that fits in with the story being told in the expansion so far.

Maybe we’d go to Kezan/Undermine in a .5 mechagon-esque zone leading up to the rootlands like how the Forbidden Reach led up to Zaralek.

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That isn’t the same at all.

Now it would however make sense if Fyraak/Smolderon retreated to the Firelands and we had to travel there to kill them for good.

You have changed my mind. I think its about 50/50 on whether we even get Undermine at this point. But I almost hope we dont. Id rather Undermine be a Suramar type launch zone for an expansion with a capital city in it.

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No on both counts. In both those cases the objective is stopping N'Zoth and Garrosh. Two big bads btw that had been set up over multiple patches.

Your scenario is "saving the Rootlands from Goblins". We don't need to travel to Undermine to stop Goblins from attacking the Rootlands.

Did it say Undermine raid or just Goblin raid? I think it said Goblin right? If thats the case would it not be better to save Undermine for something more grand?

[Nightshade711]

You're clearly talking about older development and patch cycle. I'm talking about the development and patch cycle Blizzard implemented in Dragonflight and is clearly using again in The War Within.

Uh-huh…
How are they “clearly using” it again in the War Within?

But hey if they are I guess we’re getting a raid around the roots, since that is all but confirmed to be one of the next zones.

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You have changed my mind. I think its about 50/50 on whether we even get Undermine at this point. But I almost hope we dont. Id rather Undermine be a Suramar type launch zone for an expansion with a capital city in it.

I personally don’t think we will get it for a major patch zone. I could see us revisiting Kezan at some point, since we did the same with Gilneas.

Did it say Undermine raid or just Goblin raid? I think it said Goblin right? If thats the case would it not be better to save Undermine for something more grand?

It was just a single icon that said “goblinraid” there’s nothing else (that I’m aware of) in the datamining that suggests Undermine at this time.

It is why most of the theories here are suggesting goblins are invading the rootlands.

[Chickat]

Just FYI, those Goblins came from Undermine.

Also if Undermine is patch 11.1, I wouldn't expect to see many map or texture files until we get closer to 11.1, which is about a year away.

Eh, about 8-9 months. I suspect we will have a better idea as to wear we are going when we se what 11.0.5 is.

[Teriz]

Did it say Undermine raid or just Goblin raid? I think it said Goblin right? If thats the case would it not be better to save Undermine for something more grand?

Thing is you also have Undermine hinted in Dragonflight (just like the Nerubians were) and actually mentioned in Khaz Algar, with Goblins from undermine being there. We also have Gazlowe in Khaz Algar as well.

So if we’re getting Undermine, TWW seems like an appropriate time.

[Ielenia]

The raid and patch set up in 11.0 is pretty much exactly the same as the raid and patch set up of 10.0. Which indicates that Blizzard is very likely going to follow what they did in Dragonflight, with 11.1 raid/patch being a side story of sorts, a mega dungeon for some added lore content, and 11.2 raid/patch completing the main storyline of the expansion.

The location of where a raid instance takes place has nothing to do with "development cycles".

[Chickat]

I do enjoy that Teriz' damage control has gone from "Nerubians are totally minor but maybe they could get a raid or something in an Undermine expansion; all the evidence says they want Undermine to be a continent; there's no way Undermine could just be a single zone or raid!" to desperately trying to frame Undermine as side story patch zone as major while still insisting larger plot points like whatever is happening with the roots are secondary to random goblin crap.

I do think Undermine could work as a continent. I think its more likely to be a large Suramar type zone if its not a patch zone. I think I'd rather it be a launch zone with lots of city questing, gangs, cartels. Maybe even a quest chain where you help the cops take down some shady groups etc. Very detective focused. Could also have a section of the zone as the player capital. I feel like a patch zone is wasted potential but I also felt that way about Argus, Nazjatar, Ny'alotha, Emerald dream etc so they will do whatever they want I guess.

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Thing is you also have Undermine hinted in Dragonflight (just like the Nerubians were) and actually mentioned in Khaz Algar, with Goblins from undermine being there. We also have Gazlowe in Khaz Algar as well.

So if we’re getting Undermine, TWW seems like an appropriate time.

Maybe, but I think id rather it be more important than a patch zone.

[Teriz]

Maybe, but I think id rather it be more important than a patch zone.

As would I honestly. However, we probably should resign ourselves to the fact that the Goblin equivalent of Suramar probably isn’t enough to justify an entire expansion, but could be enough to have its own patch and associated raid.

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Uh-huh…
How are they “clearly using” it again in the War Within?

But hey if they are I guess we’re getting a raid around the roots, since that is all but confirmed to be one of the next zones.

We got a new zone in 10.0.7 and it didn’t come with a raid.

It was just a single icon that said “goblinraid” there’s nothing else (that I’m aware of) in the datamining that suggests Undermine at this time.

You mean other than Goblins from Undermine in Khaz Algar?

[Nightshade711]

We got a new zone in 10.0.7 and it didn’t come with a raid.

That zone wasn’t added in 10.0.7.
It was added in prepatch as the Dracthyr starting zone.

[Lady Atia]

Id say Argus and Nazjatar both had more potential as expansion content compared to Tel abim yet we got both as patch content so /shrug.

And both were a mistake imo. Argus worked better but I still would have enjoyed a whole expansion more than what we got. Also at that time, Blizzard literally burned through old content and I sincerely hope they learned from that. They said they want another 30 years of WoW so they hopefully maped out 10-15 potential major expansion zones already.

Btw, what's even funnier about them wasting Nazjatar is that BfA was the first Expansion to really "zoom in" on zones (as in, making a single island as big as an old continent) but than they did the opposite with Nazjatar and Nyalotha lol.

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Thing is you also have Undermine hinted in Dragonflight (just like the Nerubians were) and actually mentioned in Khaz Algar, with Goblins from undermine being there. We also have Gazlowe in Khaz Algar as well.

So if we’re getting Undermine, TWW seems like an appropriate time.

What if the Etherealraid actually connects to the Rootlands zone in 10.2, giving us space for Undermine and Goblinraid in 10.1? But than you have the issue with the coreway / heart of azeroth / Sunken-Silithus which *should* be it's own zone unless they keep that for TLT and only give us a glimpse at it during the Etherealraid.