Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

I have already explained you in how more than one way the 'goblin raid' could happen in the Rootlands.

Sorry, but your explanations are nonsensical based on what we know currently.

[Ielenia]

Sorry, but your explanations are nonsensical based on what we know currently.

Yeah, it's nonsensical for goblins to move to a location to explore its resources. Yeah, it's nonsensical for goblins to move to a different location if they find something more profitable elsewhere.

After all, goblins are really not a profit-oriented race. They abhor money.

[Teriz]

Yeah, it's nonsensical for goblins to move to a location to explore its resources. Yeah, it's nonsensical for goblins to move to a different location if they find something more profitable elsewhere.

After all, goblins are really not a profit-oriented race. They abhor money.

The fact remains that there are ZERO known links between the Goblins, Harronir, and Rootlands. If you have such a link, please post it.

[Zardas]

Really hope that we will get Undermine for 11.1 and rootlands for 11.2 so this fruitless debate can finally come to an end.

[Polybius]

Looks like we might have our eyes of green. There are a few other details but I'll wait and see.

[Joshuaj]

Looks like we might have our eyes of green. There are a few other details but I'll wait and see.

What makes you say this?

[Scyth]

Huh, interesting login screen.

Personally, i don't like it.
It's generic looking and is quite the departure from the traditional login screen being a gate/portal or overlook of some kind.
I really hope they reconsider its design.

And if not, it kinda feels like we can already guess what the Midnight/TLT screens will be looking like then, as this one is very much just themed after the expansion logo.

It’s very bland and you can tell very few resources went into making it lol
I guess it makes sense as most people barely look at the login screen but I’m still not a fan of it.

[Eldryth]

Yeah, it's nonsensical for goblins to move to a location to explore its resources. Yeah, it's nonsensical for goblins to move to a different location if they find something more profitable elsewhere.

After all, goblins are really not a profit-oriented race. They abhor money.

See, you're missing the most important evidence- Teriz doesn't want that outcome. I've made the mistake of engaging several times (even did it again a few pages ago), and it always just leads to a headache- he'll fixate on anything tangentially related to something he wants, no matter how massive of a leap it is, refuse to consider any other possibility, and ignore or deny any evidence to the contrary.

At least on this subject, his wish is plausible- the entirety of the evidence we have is that Goblins are doing something in Khaz Algar and that some Goblin raid content was datamined, so Goblins causing issues locally or us going to Undermine for an irrelevant filler tier are both plausible outcomes. Honestly, I don't even care so long as they do justice to the Rootlands (as I said before, the Harronir, Eonar, and Freysworn are all great plot hooks) and the Core, and it'd definitely take more than a minor patch to do that for the Rootlands unless they vastly increase the resources they put into minor patches.

I'm just tired of every single discussion constantly being derailed back to Teriz's wish list. I really don't think there's anything more anybody can add to the Goblin speculation at this point- and that probably won't change until more hints show up after launch- but everything this thread talks about always gets forced back to that. It makes it next to impossible to discuss anything else, even if you try to ignore him.

[Trazzle]

New login reminds me of WC3s login, maybe opening to a scene too? Our warband camp?

[Xilurm]

New login reminds me of WC3s login, maybe opening to a scene too? Our warband camp?

Finally someone who doesn't jump on the hate bandwagon for no reason.

[Ielenia]

The fact remains that there are ZERO known links between the Goblins, Harronir, and Rootlands. If you have such a link, please post it.

The important fact is you keep ignoring everything I tell you, and I have to repeat it again and again until you actually acknowledge it.

As I've already said previously in this thread (said to you, I might add) such a link can easily be added in a 11.0.5 or 11.0.7 patch story. It is really not hard to come up with ways to explain why goblins would go from point A to point B.

If you for some reason can't come up with any explanation for that on your own, I'm going to consider you hopeless and end this discussion here.

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New login reminds me of WC3s login, maybe opening to a scene too? Our warband camp?

Assuming that login screen is the one that will go live, it looks painfully lackluster, in my opinion.

For all login screens we had so far, we had beautiful scenery with ambiance going on, but now we have......... Hearthstone. Just Hearthstone.

[Teriz]

The important fact is you keep ignoring everything I tell you, and I have to repeat it again and again until you actually acknowledge it.

As I've already said previously in this thread (said to you, I might add) such a link can easily be added in a 11.0.5 or 11.0.7 patch story. It is really not hard to come up with ways to explain why goblins would go from point A to point B.

So let me answer the challenge you clearly ignored; There is no link between the goblins and Rootlands, and there’s no link between Rootlands and 11.1.

On the other hand, we have a link to Undermine via the Goblins in Khaz Algar and Gazlowe name dropping it. We also have a link for Undermine in 11.1 via the “goblin raid” datamine.

Which is why I said your explanations were nonsense, because no evidence supports it.

If you for some reason can't come up with any explanation for that on your own, I'm going to consider you hopeless and end this discussion here.

That would be for the best.

[Enrif]

We got more icons with the etherealraid name in it

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inv_11_0_etherealraid_chime_color2

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And more variations of the one other icon

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inv_11_0_etherealraid_communicator_color2

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This intensifies the idea of a ethereal raid being part of TWW. The chime reminds me heavily about the Hallowfall area, but that can just be my imagination.


Some other interesting icons:

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inv_nullstone_void

inv_nullstone_cosmicvoid


seems blizzard is more directly differentiating the color pallet of shadow, void and cosmic void. Shadow goes pretty much into the magenta color spectrum, void is more on the purple side, and cosmic void is blue. There are similar icons for plants, but the stones are more easily to recognize the main colors.


A set of jewelry based on the venture co? Available in 5 colors

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More credence to a goblin patch/area/raid

[Kiivar86]

While I do like the idea of an ethereal raid, I think it feels a bit out of place in TWW, if you ask me, far better for Midnight. Also, while they are named that, could they just be the icon names for things dropped by Nexus-Princess Ky'veza? I found comments on some of these icons from about a week ago here, and someone said that icons for the trinkets Ky'veza drops are already in and different, so maybe not, but I dunno. Looks like she dropped something that was called "Void Reaper's Chime" but now may be Contract instead.

I do find the differentiation for void/shadow/cosmic void interesting though.

edit: Actually from datamining on this build:

Ky'veza's Cruel Implements Name changed from "Kye'vezza's Cruel Implements" to "Ky'veza's Cruel Implements". Void Reaper's Chime Contract always summons additional phantoms against enemies afflicted by Queensbane.

Changed from Chime to Contract, so I do think the chime icon was at least at some point that trinket.

[Enrif]

We have seen the same naming convention in DF

like this
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this is obviously a fire themed weapon, but it was still named emeralddreamraid and not fireraid or something else.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The login screen is interesting, not what I expected though.

Hm... interesting. This is the first login screen that does not depict a landscape scene. Well. I am not ideologically opposed to a non-landscape screen like this, but this doesn't look very cool. I kinda like the border trim with the jewels, but not too into the magma in the middle. It's nothing to look at.

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I expected a screen that overlooked Dornogal, focused on the Coreway.

Given that the selling point of the expansion is the underground, I was expecting it to depict an underground landscape. The dwarf city is just generic and doesn't sell the expansion, and would be too much like the Valdrakken login screen.

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"You only see the login screen for 10 seconds!" is not an excuse. You're paying at least $205 per year to play this game. You should be getting nothing less than pristine quality, and yet we have allowed Blizzard to put in less and less effort over the years. It started with the degradation of the Loginscreen music, and now it is the art itself. Remember when people used to say "well, at the least art is still good"? Now we won't even be able to claim that.

The loginscreen should show a glimpse of an underground vista you want to visit, like the Beledar crystal or a hanging Nerubian city, like how the MoP loginscreen tantalized you with Mogu'Shan palace in the back.

[Makabreska]

Login screen really looks like it would change with time/patches.

[Enrif]

The login screen reminds me of the hearthstone login. Once loged in, it opens up?

But honestly, who in this time and age sees the login screen for more then a second? You log via the battle.net app, and then go nearly instantly to the character selection. It makes kind of sense to no longer emphasize the login screen.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The login screen reminds me of the hearthstone login. Once loged in, it opens up?

But honestly, who in this time and age sees the login screen for more then a second? You log via the battle.net app, and then go nearly instantly to the character selection. It makes kind of sense to no longer emphasize the login screen.

I see it for about 10 seconds. Would like it to look nice.

[Scyth]

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More credence to a goblin patch/area/raid

Goblin enjoyers will get some good transmogs from that raid hopefully!

Much more excited for Ethereals though, very interested to see what they do with that raid.