Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I think that it was probably created later/after VA recording sessions, because it's weird that it didn't have any VA, it felt lifeless.

After playing some ESO, it just boggles me how many new quests are just not voiced in wow, when almost everything is voiced in eso, but i dunno, maybe it's just me that is not that big of a book reader but would rather listen to audio-book that creates some sort of emotions to me.

Not just voiced but voiced well and with solid lip syncing on the models.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Not just voiced but voiced well and with solid lip syncing on the models.

Yeah, i finished the base game story in eso and even the smallest random quest was voiced and with good lip sync like you said.

I think BFA was the expansion that had most quests done with voiceovers, at least i think it had, could be wrong.

[Hitei]

I thought it said something like "while they are preoccupied with the secrets below we will move in"

Yes, but it also says where they are moving into: "we will journey to the shores of dragon lands, to the blessed isle where the Worldbreaker first embraced the whispers."

It's a manifesto. An explanation of their cause and why they are there skulking around the Forbidden Reach. They are already ON the shores of dragon lands, and then it goes on to say:

As one storm recedes, another rises. The torches have been lit. The secrets he buried will strike as a dagger into the hearts of his kin!

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The Harbinger speaks of a primal power that seeks the end of Order. Such rage can be bent to serve our ends.

A hunger lost to the ages will be reclaimed.

A dark heart left broken awaits the taking.

-

When these things come to pass, the Harbinger will fulfill the final prophecy and complete the awakening.

Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth. We must make ready.

Rise, rise! Soon all that was hidden will be revealed.

So I really wouldn't expect to see any significant Naga involvement until 11.0. It's specifically a "not yet" tease.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

embraced the whispers

Though a digression, I have to confess a profound distaste for the redundancy around the "whispers" wank, as well as the general portrayal of the Void in that connection. It feels as though the "whispers" are merely a kind of psychic influence, rather than insanity-inducing profound revelations. The influence of the Void is generally portrayed in a very banal fashion, with its primary gimmick—the aforementioned whispers—being nigh-invariably disappointing when they're actually heard, such that they are bound to leave you wondering precisely how anybody is driven to madness or even to a profound reevaluation of their cosmic leanings as a result of exposure to them.

[huth]

Though a digression, I have to confess a profound distaste for the redundancy around the "whispers" wank, as well as the general portrayal of the Void in that connection. It feels as though the "whispers" are merely a kind of psychic influence, rather than insanity-inducing profound revelations. The influence of the Void is generally portrayed in a very banal fashion, with its primary gimmick—the aforementioned whispers—being nigh-invariably disappointing when they're actually heard, such that they are bound to leave you wondering precisely how anybody is driven to madness or even to a profound reevaluation of their cosmic leanings as a result of exposure to them.

Profound revelations don't induce insanity. In fact, if they contradict your established world-view, you're likely to disregard them. Constant, low-key barely audible whispers in the back of your head? Sure can.

[Shadowferal]

Though a digression, I have to confess a profound distaste for the redundancy around the "whispers" wank, as well as the general portrayal of the Void in that connection. It feels as though the "whispers" are merely a kind of psychic influence, rather than insanity-inducing profound revelations. The influence of the Void is generally portrayed in a very banal fashion, with its primary gimmick—the aforementioned whispers—being nigh-invariably disappointing when they're actually heard, such that they are bound to leave you wondering precisely how anybody is driven to madness or even to a profound reevaluation of their cosmic leanings as a result of exposure to them.

It's not Lovecraft. The profound truths that becomes incised in the all too-fragile mind crushing the soul and sanity of anyone hearing such...no...wait! The stars...they're alive!

[Kiivar86]

we know that Alexstrasza is supposed to fall to some corruption.

Wait we do?

[Harbour]

So about 11.0.

I like K'aresh and playable Ethereals "leak" but no way Turalyon is going to be a villain.
Since his re-introduction he only show himself as competent and humble leader who only show tolerance.
But its obvious that with Turalyon being alive Anduin is literally useless because they take the same niche.
So Turalyon will certainly die.
How?
Simple.
Theme of 11.0 would be Light vs Void.
Light will be represented by Strong Female Character Y'rel.
Void will represented by Strong Female Character Alleria.
Alleria will go crazy like it was shown in 9.3 Visions.
How?
Y'rel will try to recruit Turalyon and Alliance, but he will refuse the call. She will kill him then Guldan vs Varian style.
That will make Alleria insane.
Thats the premise of 11.0.
In the end Sylvanas will help to bring Alleria back, and Y'rel will die, and the status quo will be restored.
Anduin will return and take the vacant throne obviously.

tldr Turalyon will die as a hero and that will kickstart the Alleria progress as vengeful Void Elf. Through her the Void will leak into Azeroth hence Void vs Light battle.

[loras]

So about 11.0.

I like K'aresh and playable Ethereals "leak" but no way Turalyon is going to be a villain.
Since his re-introduction he only show himself as competent and humble leader who only show tolerance.
But its obvious that with Turalyon being alive Anduin is literally useless because they take the same niche.
So Turalyon will certainly die.
How?
Simple.
Theme of 11.0 would be Light vs Void.
Light will be represented by Strong Female Character Y'rel.
Void will represented by Strong Female Character Alleria.
Alleria will go crazy like it was shown in 9.3 Visions.
How?
Y'rel will try to recruit Turalyon and Alliance, but he will refuse the call. She will kill him then Guldan vs Varian style.
That will make Alleria insane.
Thats the premise of 11.0.
In the end Sylvanas will help to bring Alleria back, and Y'rel will die, and the status quo will be restored.
Anduin will return and take the vacant throne obviously.

tldr Turalyon will die as a hero and that will kickstart the Alleria progress as vengeful Void Elf. Through her the Void will leak into Azeroth hence Void vs Light battle.

I could suspend disbelief right up until "Sylvanas".
Let her complete her eternal janitorial duty in peace.
(Also how would Sylv be of any help? The patron that granted her power is completely dead, she'd just be a regular irredeemably evil depressed dark ranger even if she returned).

[Harbour]

Oh, Sylvanas is just brainstorm idea i threw in. She may not even appear.
Main idea was that Turalyon wont be a villain. Opposite to that - i think Danuser will try to surprise us by how Turalyon came over his past prejudices and straight up btfo Y'rel with her proposal to join the Light Crusade by saying that the Light wasnt mean to control people but help them.
That will lead to his heroic death i think, that will trigger the whole expansion theme of the war against the Light Crusade and surely will make Alleria dive deeper into Void territories in her goal to avenge Turalyon.

[loras]

Oh, Sylvanas is just brainstorm idea i threw in. She may not even appear.
Main idea was that Turalyon wont be a villain. Opposite to that - i think Danuser will try to surprise us by how Turalyon came over his past prejudices and straight up btfo Y'rel with her proposal to join the Light Crusade by saying that the Light wasnt mean to control people but help them.
That will lead to his heroic death i think, that will trigger the whole expansion theme of the war against the Light Crusade and surely will make Alleria dive deeper into Void territories in her goal to avenge Turalyon.

Fair, that does sound like a suitable death and it could credibly set up Yrel and Alleria as villains to the alliance .

[Darkarath]

Oh, Sylvanas is just brainstorm idea i threw in. She may not even appear.
Main idea was that Turalyon wont be a villain. Opposite to that - i think Danuser will try to surprise us by how Turalyon came over his past prejudices and straight up btfo Y'rel with her proposal to join the Light Crusade by saying that the Light wasnt mean to control people but help them.
That will lead to his heroic death i think, that will trigger the whole expansion theme of the war against the Light Crusade and surely will make Alleria dive deeper into Void territories in her goal to avenge Turalyon.

I like this idea, honestly. It would be a fitting end to Turalyon, which has been one of the few consistent characters in the Warcraft universe.

To make his death more heroic, I would have him beat Yrel, but then Lightforged Garrosh comes, saves Yrel and kills Turalyon.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I'd rather Turalyon die(If he must) we'd have to see him more involved first. Him dying to start off an expansion would be rough though I do salviate(Not literally) at the theme of the Light wasn't meant to control and it wasn't he was taught to believe and such.
Ok thats it, thats the post *Disappears coughing out covid ickies*

[Makabreska]

Wait we do?

No, we don't. It was only alluded to by the Faceless dude during Tyr quest line from last week. And we all know how they like to spew shit.

[Raetary]

I don't see Turalyon dying.

Alleria would be highly relevant due to Turalyons and the Lights involvement anyhow, so i don't get the need to make her go insane.
At least not that early.

Turalyon is the perfect candidate for some Naaru conversion therapy to happen.
Having the Naaru force the Light on him after resisting their influence, would be more than enough to establish them as a major threat and give the army of the Light a major foothold on Azeroth.

Basically what Xe'ra wanted to do to Illidan, but this time succeeding, and what they did to some of the Mag'har on Draenor.

[Skildar]

Wait we do?

during one of the recent questlines, we've witness in a vision of the past that Tyr was fighting Zakajz, a old gods lieutenant. The latter showed Tyr that all his dragon aspects were to "betray" order:
- Neltharion takes the name Deathwing and becomes a meme dragon
- Malygos becomes mad and wants to control who can wield arcane magic
- Ysera becomes corrupted by the nightmare
- Nozdormu falls to madness and renames Murozond
- Alexstrasza becomes corrupted but we aren't shown more

This was set thousands of years ago. It doesn't mean that Alexstrasza will remain corrupted as for Ysera it was merely a set back. But because all the other visions were true, it stands to take it as a certainty.

[Darkarath]

I mean, I would not care to kill Alexstrasza. It would certainly be a plot twist. The thing is that there is no Red Dragon to replace her. But she is so lame right now that It would be better to kill her off. In fact, I have several characters that need some killing (Thrall, Malfurion, Sylvanas, Tyrande...). These characters are living memes and the best contribution that they can do to the game is dying with some dignity.

[Makabreska]

I mean, I would not care to kill Alexstrasza. It would certainly be a plot twist. The thing is that there is no Red Dragon to replace her. But she is so lame right now that It would be better to kill her off. In fact, I have several characters that need some killing (Thrall, Malfurion, Sylvanas, Tyrande...). These characters are living memes and the best contribution that they can do to the game is dying with some dignity.

Hardly. The last uncorrupted/sane Aspect going bad is not a very big surprise.

[huth]

Hardly. The last uncorrupted/sane Aspect going bad is not a very big surprise.

The whole "kill off character" thing has also been overplayed in popculture lately.

And what point would there even be to killing Thrall and Sylvanas? They're out of the running anyway. That seems more like petty revenge than anything of relevance.

[micwini]

So about 11.0.

I like K'aresh and playable Ethereals "leak" but no way Turalyon is going to be a villain.
Since his re-introduction he only show himself as competent and humble leader who only show tolerance.
But its obvious that with Turalyon being alive Anduin is literally useless because they take the same niche.
So Turalyon will certainly die.
How?
Simple.
Theme of 11.0 would be Light vs Void.
Light will be represented by Strong Female Character Y'rel.
Void will represented by Strong Female Character Alleria.
Alleria will go crazy like it was shown in 9.3 Visions.
How?
Y'rel will try to recruit Turalyon and Alliance, but he will refuse the call. She will kill him then Guldan vs Varian style.
That will make Alleria insane.
Thats the premise of 11.0.
In the end Sylvanas will help to bring Alleria back, and Y'rel will die, and the status quo will be restored.
Anduin will return and take the vacant throne obviously.

tldr Turalyon will die as a hero and that will kickstart the Alleria progress as vengeful Void Elf. Through her the Void will leak into Azeroth hence Void vs Light battle.

What "leak" ?