Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

the radiant song calls and another expedition led by extremists

That would be possible. If people all over Azeroth hear the Radiant Song. Then it could be for certain that also includes people of the Arathi Empire. And given the apparent difficulties to travel to and from there, they might arrive at the tail end of TWW, or during Midnight.

A giant Armada of a light worshipping empire. Would certainly fit into the Midnights "final confrontation between the void and the light" - And the renilash was already said to be important for the Arathi.

[Sondrelk]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

[Zardas]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

My bet is still on Undermine (even a part of it, with the whole city in the background) for 11.1 and rootland for 11.2.

[Sondrelk]

My bet is still on Undermine (even a part of it, with the whole city in the background) for 11.1 and rootland for 11.2.

How do you reckon this will lead into the whole black blood plot thread then? Rootlands being infected by them? Xal'atath stockpiling them for Midnight?

[Hitei]

How do you reckon this will lead into the whole black blood plot thread then? Rootlands being infected by them? Xal'atath stockpiling them for Midnight?

I can't imagine she'd need it when the void is already arrived and assaulting (in Midnight), so I'd guess she will use the blood at the start of 11.2 and that patch will be the confrontation attempting to stop her, which presumably will fail to some degree and allow for the void incursion.

[Ersula]

I can't imagine she'd need it when the void is already arrived and assaulting (in Midnight), so I'd guess she will use the blood at the start of 11.2 and that patch will be the confrontation attempting to stop her, which presumably will fail to some degree and allow for the void incursion.

are we assuming Xalatath is getting reinforcements? is there any reason we shouldn't assume when they say "the void" is attacking azeroth in Midnight, they don't just mean Xal? She is clearly representing the Void in this conflict and it seems like she has to make her own forces rather than just waiting for others to arrive.

[Nibelheimy]

Thinking again back to that chronicles art, with the 5th old god hiding amongst the roots on the border. I still feel that Xal'atath is hoarding old god blood in order to return herself to her original form somehow.

[Sondrelk]

are we assuming Xalatath is getting reinforcements? is there any reason we shouldn't assume when they say "the void" is attacking azeroth in Midnight, they don't just mean Xal? She is clearly representing the Void in this conflict and it seems like she has to make her own forces rather than just waiting for others to arrive.

Mostly it just seems like it would be a bit anticlimactic if the only major antagonist in Midnight is Xal'atath.
More likely it would be something like Legion, in that Gul'dan is the big face, with a large cadre of various named void NPCs. Maybe with the bigger names like Dimensius appearing later in the expansion.

We know the developers are pushing the "cosmic void" angle quite hard, so just having Midnight only use Xal'atath for that aesthetic seems unlikely.

[Santandame]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

The War Within:

11.0 - Nerubian Palace
11.1 - Rootlands zone /w Undermine raid
11.1.5 - Beledar mega dungeon
11.2 - K’aresh zone with raid starting on K’aresh and ending at Azeroth’s core

Midnight:

12.0 - Zul’aman raid
12.1 - Azuremyst and Bloodmyst revamp with Yrel raid
12.1.5 - Stratholme or Scarlet Monastery mega dungeon
12.2 - Isle of Quel’danas with Sunwell raid.

[Cheezits]

K'aresh will probably not be TWW, it will be Midnight and serve as the Argus equivalent for the Void. The only thing tying Ethereals (beyond the raid boss) to TWW were the EtherealRaid icons that they updated to directly reflect 11.0 and match up exactly with the raid boss trinket drops.

It makes way more sense to build up Dimensius up to Midnight and then go to Karesh to kill him as opposed to dealing with both Xal and him and his HQ before the Void expansion. Xal will probably be "dealt with" in TWW (physical body destroyed?) in a way that lets them focus on more antagonists in Midnight, even if she persists as a spirit or a voice in Allerias head.

If the final patch isn't Rootlands it will probably be Underground Silithus or some other zone directly around the Worldsoul. What happens there leads to the attack on the Sunwell, which would get dealt with halfway through Midnight, segueing to closing up a rift to Karesh.

[Santandame]

K'aresh will probably not be TWW, it will be Midnight and serve as the Argus equivalent for the Void. The only thing tying Ethereals (beyond the raid boss) to TWW were the EtherealRaid icons that they updated to directly reflect 11.0 and match up exactly with the raid boss trinket drops.

It makes way more sense to build up Dimensius up to Midnight and then go to Karesh to kill him as opposed to dealing with both Xal and him and his HQ before the Void expansion. Xal will probably be "dealt with" in TWW (physical body destroyed?) in a way that lets them focus on more antagonists in Midnight, even if she persists as a spirit or a voice in Allerias head.

If the final patch isn't Rootlands it will probably be Underground Silithus or some other zone directly around the Worldsoul. What happens there leads to the attack on the Sunwell, which would get dealt with halfway through Midnight, segueing to closing up a rift to Karesh.

I still think Dimensius will be one of the central antagonists of Midnight, even if he shows up in a potential K’aresh raid in TWW. I’m pretty set in my belief that there will be a big reveal that Locus Walker is in fact Dimensius and has been manipulating and manoeuvring Alleria to reach this point.

To go off @Sondrelk from an earlier post - if we get a similar situation in Midnight to Legion with the Void, with a cast of big, known, Void affiliated characters appearing before us like the demons from the Broken Shore then I can see Dimensius in his Locus Walker form alongside Xal’atath flanked by possibly “memories” of the Azeroth Old Gods in more “human” forms as avatars, known void entities like Sethe from Draenor, the Void corrupted leader of the Amani, could even have the Void resurrect the likes of Cho’gall and Benedictus. Maybe this is even where Chomatus appears? Just go full fan service at this point, we all know the story is poor.

I previously thought Azshara would be a major fixture of Midnight but the more I think about it, the less I want her to appear as I don’t want her to play second fiddle to Dimensius and Xal’atath. She should be given a much larger, more prominent role where she either spearheads an entire expansion or she’s a reluctant ally over the course of several expansions culminating with her eventual betrayal.

[Joshuaj]

The War Within:

11.0 - Nerubian Palace
11.1 - Rootlands zone /w Undermine raid
11.1.5 - Beledar mega dungeon
11.2 - K’aresh zone with raid starting on K’aresh and ending at Azeroth’s core

Midnight:

12.0 - Zul’aman raid
12.1 - Azuremyst and Bloodmyst revamp with Yrel raid
12.1.5 - Stratholme or Scarlet Monastery mega dungeon
12.2 - Isle of Quel’danas with Sunwell raid.

Want me to keep it real?

12.0: Zul'Aman raid

12.1: Quel'danas and Sunwell Raid.

And 12.2: Light and Void cosmic raid with Dimensius as the last boss.

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I can't see Quel'danas serving as the final patch area for an expansion twice.

[Hitei]

are we assuming Xalatath is getting reinforcements? is there any reason we shouldn't assume when they say "the void" is attacking azeroth in Midnight, they don't just mean Xal? She is clearly representing the Void in this conflict and it seems like she has to make her own forces rather than just waiting for others to arrive.

Metzen seemed to be framing it as a confrontation on the level of what Legion was for the Burning Legion. I just assume that means that Midnight will be about Bastion or Mac'aree/Eredath style giant void rifts and actual void forces rather than Old God and Nerubian forces.

She is also "the harbinger" which suggests that she's just Gul'dan style staging for a full scale void assault.

I mean, it's entirely possible that Xal is also still the main villain for Midnight. I just don't think the play here is "get black blood and then pour it into the Sunwell". I think it's gonna be more like Xal uses the blood to reconstitute her old body or something, ascends back to Old God level--we fail to stop it but manage to secure the World Soul or something--and then she goes off to tear a bunch of void rifts open in Quel'thalas and attempt to just siege the planet with Void forces rather than the original corrupt from the inside out plan.

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I previously thought Azshara would be a major fixture of Midnight but the more I think about it, the less I want her to appear as I don’t want her to play second fiddle to Dimensius and Xal’atath. She should be given a much larger, more prominent role where she either spearheads an entire expansion or she’s a reluctant ally over the course of several expansions culminating with her eventual betrayal.

I wish that more antagonists were given the furbolg neutrality option rather than the binary of overt antagonism or allying with players. I think Xal'atath would be more interesting if after N'zoth's death she'd just rounded up the splintered Nerubians, Mantid and/or Qiraji and begun a "New Black Empire" in Silithus or Azjol-Nerub, unfriendly to the Horde and Alliance but not openly hostile.

[Jolly Roger]

So now that most of the pieces for 11.0 are in place and not changing. What do people reckon the expansion is going to look like?
My guess is still Rootlands with Goblins for 11.1, and across the Hallowfall ocean into the Silithus underground for 11.2.
Would love to hear more on what people think though.

i assume a high seas patch
we are introduced to the idea of an ocean beneath the ocean which i think sounds like something from the puzzlebox so imagine a navy style patch with the zone being essentially an island expedition. that covers goblin involvement since its about time we get gallywix.

the roots and black blood also mean something im guessing the rot is definitely enough to see decay matriarch return.

the hallowfall crystal will be involved in the finale and im guessing Xal will end up body snatching alleria

[Santandame]

Metzen seemed to be framing it as a confrontation on the level of what Legion was for the Burning Legion. I just assume that means that Midnight will be about Bastion or Mac'aree/Eredath style giant void rifts and actual void forces rather than Old God and Nerubian forces.

She is also "the harbinger" which suggests that she's just Gul'dan style staging for a full scale void assault.

I mean, it's entirely possible that Xal is also still the main villain for Midnight. I just don't think the play here is "get black blood and then pour it into the Sunwell". I think it's gonna be more like Xal uses the blood to reconstitute her old body or something, ascends back to Old God level--we fail to stop it but manage to secure the World Soul or something--and then she goes off to tear a bunch of void rifts open in Quel'thalas and attempt to just siege the planet with Void forces rather than the original corrupt from the inside out plan.

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I wish that more antagonists were given the furbolg neutrality option rather than the binary of overt antagonism or allying with players. I think Xal'atath would be more interesting if after N'zoth's death she'd just rounded up the splintered Nerubians, Mantid and/or Qiraji and begun a "New Black Empire" in Silithus or Azjol-Nerub, unfriendly to the Horde and Alliance but not openly hostile.

I’d really like that. Sort of a “you stay away from me and I’ll stay away from you” vibe. That’s a great shout for some villains.

[Sondrelk]

I’d really like that. Sort of a “you stay away from me and I’ll stay away from you” vibe. That’s a great shout for some villains.

Hard to justify that kind of relationship if you know that Xal'atath is almost certainly aiming to bring back the Void Lords or somesuch though. It works if you can genuinely think that the new faction isnt going to be hostile, though I feel that would be difficult in this case.

[Jolly Roger]

so about two weeks until prepatch presumably because of the retiring guild services
week after the event will start
then 3 weeks until early access which with no extra information about it can just be assumed only normal dungeons and limited professions

i am gonna assume 11.0.7 news soon after including some warband changes and new story chapters

[Eldryth]

I’d really like that. Sort of a “you stay away from me and I’ll stay away from you” vibe. That’s a great shout for some villains.

I do think we can use more characters like that, or even evil leaders within a faction. Sylvanas was at her best when she filled that kind of role- when she was evil and only cared about her own goals, but was ultimately still a solid ally because she and the Horde needed each other.

I don't think Xal'atath is a great fit for that though. Everything we've seen lately suggests that she's set on feeding Azeroth to Dimensius (or whatever else Dimensius intends for Azeroth), there's no way we can simply get along with that.

I feel like that kind of story would work better with Azshara. She should also be opposing the Void (she served N'zoth out of necessity, but claims she intended to betray him even before he had her tortured for succeeding in his mission for her), and while she clearly still has her own goals and ambitions, I think it could be interesting to have a tense peace with her for a while before she makes her move.

Or maybe Iridikron, depending on how TLT goes. All he cares about is getting rid of the Titans, so if we end up opposing them too, then he should leave us alone.

[Hitei]

Hard to justify that kind of relationship if you know that Xal'atath is almost certainly aiming to bring back the Void Lords or somesuch though. It works if you can genuinely think that the new faction isnt going to be hostile, though I feel that would be difficult in this case.

I wasn't suggesting it for the current narrative position. I just mean that could have been a viable path after BfA. Like instead of her current objective, she could have gone the "I'm the last Old God* left, I'm gonna revive the Black Empire as its god-queen but not do the obvious misstep of starting a fight with the Alliance and Horde" route, and then had the Qiraji or Nerubians rebuilding in AQ or AN.

Then we'd have an interesting isolated faction around to occasionally get involved with, in the vein of groups like the pre-Siege Klaxxi, where they really aren't on our side but you can work with them for their own interests. And then during some larger events, or expansions, you might have random Black Empire encampments, outposts, envoys, etc.

[Etmir]

wonder what city will be our capital at Midnight?Silvermoon ?