Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zardas]

The presence of a Zereth and a parallel pantheon heavily indicates it. If we were talking about some kind of real-world scientific speculation, your point would be relevant, but we're not. We're talking about a piece of fiction where inference from parallels is perfectly acceptable. The fact the pantheons of life and death are so precisely measured against one another that members can be seen as siblings of one another due to their roles in the cosmology pretty heavily indicates they're of similarly parallel origins.

Believe me, I'd love for you to be right, but at the moment it looks like wishful thinking at best.

As far as I know, the only parallels between the realms of life and the realm of death are them being opposite on the cosmic chart and the Winter Queen calling Elune her sister. I'd say that it's not enough to draw any conclusion, even in the context how a fiction where said parallels are often done on purpose. And especially when, on the other side, we have example of another Pantheon, whose member are not created the same way the Eternals are.

[Nibelheimy]

I can't believe how much I dislike the Earthern player character voices. I've avoided a lot of beta, so unsure if we knew this was how Earthern would generally sound. But they're really really bad. Have I really got to get world quest spammed with voice lines like this for the next 1.8 years? They have 0 character.

[Enrif]

They have 0 character.

I think that is the point. Earthen wipe regularly their memory. So they are pretty much blank slates.

[Jaggler]

We don't know if the other Pantheons were also created the same way the Death Pantheon was. If the Titans are the true order Pantheon that already implies that not every Pantheon is made the same way, so Elune doesn't have to be a 3D printed "Zerethbot"

[milkmustache]

I think that is the point. Earthen wipe regularly their memory. So they are pretty much blank slates.

As well as being Titan constructs. The Watchers sound very similar. I think this is good direction for them, as it clearly paints the difference between them and post flesh dwarves.

[micwini]

Death could be the only ones being robots, since robots could kind of be seen as 'not alive' or 'purposfully animated', just like undead is animated.
Other Zereths could have different means of producing their gods, which we don't yet know.

[BaumanKing]

Light zealots will DEFINITELY return. We now have two sources of them, Lightbound and Arathi.

Don't forget about the current Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces.

[Calfredd]

Don't forget about the current Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces.

Headcanon is not actual canon no matter how much you want it to be.

[Makabreska]

Don't forget about the current Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces.

Sorry, no. No one here shares your weird-ass fixations.

[Nibelheimy]

I think that is the point. Earthen wipe regularly their memory. So they are pretty much blank slates.

A character can have its memory wiped without loosing personality in its voice. (Something that's happened countless times in media) My point doesn't have anything to do with their memory wipe, but rather, they sound dumb and I dislike it. If this is how the race as a whole sounds, which I mentioned, I think its dumb and lacks character.

[Cheezits]

Earthen not being Dwarf Clan #4 and just being robots that look like dwarves is much appreciated.

[Joshuaj]

he never duped her
thats why that scene makes no sense

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i think if the arathi empire are just super into the light and only see it as like a great crusade then having Anduin the peace master go in and become the new ruler makes sense.

theres also the scarlet crusade angle

How did he not dupe her?

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Don't forget about the current Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces.

As of now, Turalyon is chill.

[Cheezits]

Speaking of Earthen, has it been explained what their purpose is on Khaz Algar? I was assuming it was maintaining a pathway to the Core of Azeroth (hence "Coreway") but it doesn't really go there AFAIK. Maybe they were put there to dig up/kill Elun'ahir but they rebelled, hence the Freysworn and the secret memory wipe?

And why the Harronir avoid them/hide from them and everyone else?

[Nibelheimy]

Earthen not being Dwarf Clan #4 and just being robots that look like dwarves is much appreciated.

I mean they share pretty much everything with regular dwarves, in every way, other than their voices. I'd understand if they were different enough in culture to truly be separated from dwarves people enjoying and defending it.

[Kiivar86]

Speaking of Earthen, has it been explained what their purpose is on Khaz Algar? I was assuming it was maintaining a pathway to the Core of Azeroth (hence "Coreway") but it doesn't really go there AFAIK. Maybe they were put there to dig up/kill Elun'ahir but they rebelled, hence the Freysworn and the secret memory wipe?

And why the Harronir avoid them/hide from them and everyone else?

From the observational report, they were dispatched there to investigate the fissure, at least at the start. The report that mentioned Khaz Algar also says to refer to records relating to geological anomalies. So it was to look into whatever this fissure is.

[Jolly Roger]

Light zealots will DEFINITELY return. We now have two sources of them, Lightbound and Arathi.

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the scarlets and their false heir are still out there

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How did he not dupe her?

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As of now, Turalyon is chill.

he never lied to her
the only thing we ever see him doing is being evil
the first time he interacts with us he is literally attempting to enslave us and the leaders
anduin called sylvanas out about her being arthas

the guy even told her when they first met "you will serve me because these things will come to pass"

[Alanar]

Don't forget about the current Lord Commander of the Alliance Forces.

Inc people who are triggered.

[Viridiel]

Speaking of Earthen, has it been explained what their purpose is on Khaz Algar? I was assuming it was maintaining a pathway to the Core of Azeroth (hence "Coreway") but it doesn't really go there AFAIK. Maybe they were put there to dig up/kill Elun'ahir but they rebelled, hence the Freysworn and the secret memory wipe?

And why the Harronir avoid them/hide from them and everyone else?

It's somewhat of a major point that their edict is to guard the Coreway. They aren't allowed to leave the Isle of Dorn at all, hence the Machine Speakers are technically breaking the edict while still actually following it in spirit by maintaining machines in the Ringing Deeps. We convince the earthen to bend the edict to stop the threat to the Coreway before it actually reaches the Coreway.

We don't have much reason to think that the memory wipe is for any reason other than that they stop working properly when they have too many memories. At one point we can see that when their memory is full, their memories start to leak out and physically manifest as fog monsters. But the pre-patch event is all about memories, so it would be interesting if that actually went somewhere.

I'm not sure there's any interaction between harronir and earthen thus far, or any comment from the harronir that could be taken to be referring to the earthen. But most of their lore thus far is either via banter or shown directly to us since they aren't allowed to tell us anything directly, so it can be easy to miss.

[Joshuaj]

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the scarlets and their false heir are still out there

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he never lied to her
the only thing we ever see him doing is being evil
the first time he interacts with us he is literally attempting to enslave us and the leaders
anduin called sylvanas out about her being arthas

the guy even told her when they first met "you will serve me because these things will come to pass"

That's wrong. He literally told Sylvanas that he wanted her to he a co-worker for him, and that he wouldn't do any of that "serve me" shit on her. It would be the two of them remaking the cosmos as equal partners. That's what he told Sylvanas, and that's what Sylvanas thought throughout the first half of SL.

Zovaal was gonna enslave everyone else, but to Sylvanas, it was for a "greater good".

However, in reality, Zovaal duped her and simply saw her as another tool for his plans. There was no "equal partnership" involved at all. The Devil quite literally tricked her. Not to mention he fooled her motive-wise as well, saying shit like "oh yeah, we'll reforge the cosmos to be just and fair" even tho he actually wanted everything to be chained up, full of torment, etc.

[Makorus]

That's wrong. He literally told Sylvanas that he wanted her to he a co-worker for him, and that he wouldn't do any of that "serve me" shit on her. It would be the two of them remaking the cosmos as equal partners. That's what he told Sylvanas, and that's what Sylvanas thought throughout the first half of SL.

Zovaal was gonna enslave everyone else, but to Sylvanas, it was for a "greater good".

However, in reality, Zovaal duped her and simply saw her as another tool for his plans. There was no "equal partnership" involved at all. The Devil quite literally tricked her. Not to mention he fooled her motive-wise as well, saying shit like "oh yeah, we'll reforge the cosmos to be just and fair" even tho he actually wanted everything to be chained up, full of torment, etc.

[Citation needed]

That's never stated. Yeah, he discarded Denathrius, because he failed him and he probably knew that he was scheming against him, but there was nothing indicating that's what gonna happen to Sylvanas if she doesn't fail him.