Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

The idea (I refuse categorically to call this drivel a "theory") that Turalyon will become a villain has nothing to do with Turalyon, and everything to do with the Siege of Orgrimmar. After SoO, a few Horde players are certain that the next expansion will feature a "Siege of Stormwind".

What they do not understand, is that the story is not mirrored, and that they are NOT owed ANYTHING.

Turalyon is just the current ruler of Stormwind, so naturally he is the current "final boss" candidate for this delusional/coping Siege of Stormwind fan-fiction.

Back in BfA, these same people were certain that Anduin, the then-ruler of Stormwind, the "boy-king who served at the master's table and offered three lies", would become Void-corrupted/enslaved by Sylvanas and be the final boss of a "Death-corrupted Stormwind".

Seriously, does everyone here have short memory? We're going to pretend like this image wasn't everywhere exactly 5 years ago?




The desire from a subset of Horde players to raid Stormwind, as some sort of twisted "reparation" for SoO, has been going on for over 10 years and is at the root of the idea to turn Turalyon into a villain. The tune has simply switched from a Death-corrupted Stormwind with Death Anduin as the final boss (who ironically happened in SL, but obviously not in Stormwind) to a Light-influenced Turalyon in a Light-enthralled Stormwind.

There's nothing more to it.

[Makorus]

The idea (I refuse categorically to call this drivel a "theory") that Turalyon will become a villain has nothing to do with Turalyon, and everything to do with the Siege of Orgrimmar. After SoO, a few Horde players are certain that the next expansion will feature a "Siege of Stormwind".

What they do not understand, is that the story is not mirrored, and that they are NOT owed ANYTHING.

Turalyon is just the current ruler of Stormwind, so naturally he is the current "final boss" candidate for this delusional/coping Siege of Stormwind fan-fiction.

Back in BfA, these same people were certain that Anduin, the then-ruler of Stormwind, the "boy-king who served at the master's table and offered three lies", would become Void-corrupted/enslaved by Sylvanas and be the final boss of a "Death-corrupted Stormwind".

Seriously, does everyone here have short memory? We're going to pretend like this image wasn't everywhere exactly 5 years ago?




The desire from a subset of Horde players to raid Stormwind, as some sort of twisted "reparation" for SoO, has been going on for over 10 years and is at the root of the idea to turn Turalyon into a villain. The tune has simply switched from a Death-corrupted Stormwind with Death Anduin as the final boss (who ironically happened in SL, but obviously not in Stormwind) to a Light-influenced Turalyon in a Light-enthralled Stormwind.

There's nothing more to it.

What? No one thought that Anduin would get corrupted. That image was clearly fake anyway, but people thought Sylvanas would be able to conquer Stormwind.

[Varodoc]

but people thought Sylvanas would be able to conquer Stormwind.

A delusion and nothing more. What story have you people been following?

BfA literally opens up with Sylvanas and Saurfang agreeing that Stormwind can never be conquered.

You are NEVER going to raid Stormwind. In fact, it's far more likely that you'll raid Orgrimmar for a second time.

[Makorus]

A delusion and nothing more. What story have you people been following?

BfA literally opens up with Sylvanas and Saurfang agreeing that Stormwind can never be conquered.

You are NEVER going to raid Stormwind. In fact, it's far more likely that you'll raid Orgrimmar for a second time.

Right. I am not here to debate you or a fake leak. However, back then, the common consensus was that the leak implied that Sylvanas took over Stormwind, as indicated by the Forsaken ships, not that Anduin got corrupted, which I have never heard before.

[Hitei]

A delusion and nothing more. What story have you people been following?

BfA literally opens up with Sylvanas and Saurfang agreeing that Stormwind can never be conquered.

That is not what they said at all. They agreed it was an impossible first target.

[Sondrelk]

Right. I am not here to debate you or a fake leak. However, back then, the common consensus was that the leak implied that Sylvanas took over Stormwind, as indicated by the Forsaken ships, not that Anduin got corrupted, which I have never heard before.

Yeah, I was around for most of that debate as well, and I never remember hearing anyone think that Anduin was actually a traitor or that he would be turned to the void or death willingly. Everyone was of the opinion that the endgame in that situation would be Sylvanas, and if there was a curveball Alliance leader it would be a dead one like Varian ressurected by Sylvanas.

Shame we didnt get it though. A raid set in Stormwind would have been a fantastic idea. You could have several cool boss locations like a naval fight in the docks, a ressurected hero like Arthas or Uther in the Stormwind graveyard. We could see the Stormwind vaults finally, or even just weird stuff like a Hogger raid boss in the Stormwind Stockade.

[Cheezits]

Looks like the launch MSQ is cut a bit shorter than DF, but there aren't any unlockable chapters except for the post-raid quest.

How are we feeling about that? I don't think any MSQ has really been good besides Mists and Suramar so I am happy about it. Keep things moving.

[milkmustache]

Looks like the launch MSQ is cut a bit shorter than DF, but there aren't any unlockable chapters except for the post-raid quest.

How are we feeling about that? I don't think any MSQ has really been good besides Mists and Suramar so I am happy about it. Keep things moving.

I guess it just depends on the cadence and the content of the following patches. It'll be a bit disappointing if .5 patches only have a 7 quest 30 min questline, but there seems to be a lot to do regardless.

I guess content of the MSQ matters too. Dragonflight's was forgettable to the point where I literally forget.

[micwini]

Looks like the launch MSQ is cut a bit shorter than DF, but there aren't any unlockable chapters except for the post-raid quest.

How are we feeling about that? I don't think any MSQ has really been good besides Mists and Suramar so I am happy about it. Keep things moving.

Less content for the same price, wheee

[Cheezits]

Less content for the same price, wheee

If I remember right, the worst two expansions (BFA, SL) had the most quests due to the continent split and covenant splits respectively.

Content doesn't matter if nobody likes it. Which is the infamous debate on the huge number of BFA systems at launch.

[Makorus]

Looks like the launch MSQ is cut a bit shorter than DF, but there aren't any unlockable chapters except for the post-raid quest.

How are we feeling about that? I don't think any MSQ has really been good besides Mists and Suramar so I am happy about it. Keep things moving.

Important thing to note is that while there are less MSQ, the amount of side quests is way higher as well.



I personally don't see the issue, because there have been a lot of "MSQ" in past expansions that felt incredibly filler-y and irrelevant to the main story of the expansion (Thaldraszus entirely, really, Bradensbrook in Valsharah, the Pit Fighting/Makura section in Aszuna, majority of the quests in Zandalar are kind of irrelevant to the main story) so as long as the actual main story is more focused, it's fine.

Blizzard usually does better with sidestory stuff anyway.

[Bwgmon]

That is not what they said at all. They agreed it was an impossible first target.

It does remind me of the time Zul casually set half of the city on fire while the Horde was sneaking around it though.

[Varodoc]

It does remind me of the time Zul casually set half of the city on fire while the Horde was sneaking around it though.

Wrong, this never happened. Zul only set fire to a few buildings in the harbor.

Stormwind is the most fortified and strongest city on Azeroth. Militarily, there's not one force in the world that could take it. That is why Sylvanas and Saurfang agreed that their only chance was to divide Stormwind from its allies.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Why are you so triggered by a simple theory.

That's just it: it's not a theory. It's never been a theory. It is one poster who regurgitates the same baseless headcanon about a character solely based on personal reasons of not liking that character, due to said character being portrayed as... *wait for it*... a "toxic, white male." BaumanKing's words-- not anyone else's..

Headbutting back against nonsense should be had, and it will continue. You defending it and writing it off as "it's just a theory" is, quite frankly, also nonsense.

Wether you like it or not, its been a plausible theory for what ever its worth ever since. Literally anything can happen.

Another plausible theory is that you are personally offended by users criticizing another user over this. You aren't coming to the rescue of anyone, no matter how you think you are.

[Reive]

Looks like the launch MSQ is cut a bit shorter than DF, but there aren't any unlockable chapters except for the post-raid quest.

How are we feeling about that? I don't think any MSQ has really been good besides Mists and Suramar so I am happy about it. Keep things moving.

don't care, the story in wow is not that relevant. also, wow was better when there was no main campaign

[KOUNTERPARTS]

As much as I like the "Light is actually evil!" trope, making Turalyon evil just for the sake of it is incredibly lame.

Any good reason can make it a good story-- Turalyon becoming a tyrannical warlord of the Holy Light. At this juncture with how the game's story has progressed since BfA... I don't even think I care anymore about Turalyon.

[micwini]

If I remember right, the worst two expansions (BFA, SL) had the most quests due to the continent split and covenant splits respectively.

Content doesn't matter if nobody likes it. Which is the infamous debate on the huge number of BFA systems at launch.

Putting BFA in the same box as SL is rediculous. BFA was not great, but OK. After they fixed the issues with azerite gear, everything was fine. 8.2 is still the most recent best patch.

[Joshuaj]

Hmm thats false, many do actually. Seen people mentioning this many times.

Wether you like it or not.

Who's mentioning this? Bellular? Accolonn? Pyromancer? They're all frauds ya know...

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Putting BFA in the same box as SL is rediculous. BFA was not great, but OK. After they fixed the issues with azerite gear, everything was fine. 8.2 is still the most recent best patch.

BFA was one of the worst expansions I ever played

[Varodoc]

Who's mentioning this? Bellular? Accolonn? Pyromancer? They're all frauds ya know...

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BFA was one of the worst expansions I ever played

Strange, considering how the ending was straight up taken from DBZ.

I thought you of all people would have loved BfA.

[Joshuaj]

Strange, considering how the ending was straight up taken from DBZ.

I thought you of all people would have loved BfA.

Don't assume. It was 3 expansion plots forced into 1, poorly developed mess. It also had a downgraded version of the Artifact system, even WORSE Mythic+ BS, the faction war and warfronts were barely expanded on, and the worst part of it all? Corrupted gear...

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Also, why is your WoW character a lvl 11 Human, Varo? Surely that's an alt, right?