Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Well, he was infused with Death magic but the Pantheon were channeling magic into him before he formed on the Seat iirc. Maybe he's a Titan in form because of that magic, but his essence is Death?

Maybe? Granted Sargeras' magics were probably pumping Order into him as well, albeit his dark version of Order. This is assuming Worldsouls aren't Titans naturally of course

[Enrif]

Well, he was infused with Death magic but the Pantheon were channeling magic into him before he formed on the Seat iirc. Maybe he's a Titan in form because of that magic, but his essence is Death?

i quote the Chronicles 4 here

The Pantheon took their places, channeling their diminished strength into the tormented Worldsoul in an attempt to sever Argus’s link to Sargeras. But the heroes were too late. For in this moment, Sargeras reached out, ordering the Worldsoul of Argus itself to rise in accordance with his dark will. Argus rejected the Pantheon’s interference, knocking the titans back and forming as Argus the Unmaker. Though the titans did not have the strength to fight him alone, the champions of Azeroth eagerly joined the fray. Bolstered by the cosmic strengths of the Pantheon, the heroes still entered an uneven battle against a powerful and chaotic foe. Argus’s power was unlike anything the champions had faced before—its massive scythe and fel abilities difficult to counter. But in the end, the heroes freed Argus of the torment Sargeras had inflicted on it for eons.

It is interesting that they mention that Argus used Fel Abilites, thus assuming he was infused with Chaos, While also being heavily aligned to Death. The Pantheons influence from the channeling could have served to form the shape of the body, even though Arugs rejected the interference.
A interesting word choice here is the Sargeras ordered the Worldsoul to rise. Now, i see that as "giving an Order, a command". I'm sure others might see it as "putting order into it" aka using the power of Order.

[micwini]

Why is everyone trying to argue with a trollposter? Just stop replying and move on.
It also has nothing to do with the future of the game.

[Jolly Roger]

I'd say there's an argument to be made there, but a couple of issues:

1. Reality is everything that exists. Idk why Chronicle calls the center reality, but that should apply for every force also. What you're talking about is the Mortal realm AKA the physical universe.

2. Zovaal didn't fear the Mortal realm. He did however fear an unseen power whilist judging souls in the Mortal realm, further aiding the idea that the 7th has SOME hold in the cosmology, but it's also ultimately outside the cosmology, which makes it even crazier.

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Besides, based off Firims notes both in 9.1 and 9.2, it can't be the combination of the 6, as the whole "6 becomes 1" thing is its own song of creation entirely, while the 7th is another song.

all forces have an antithesis

the antithesis of reality is i think the source of the devourers which have shown how powerful they are and how dangerous.

[Joshuaj]

all forces have an antithesis

the antithesis of reality is i think the source of the devourers which have shown how powerful they are and how dangerous.

The Devourers are simply the clean up crew for the Shadowlands. When the drought happened, they became unstable.

[Jolly Roger]

The Devourers are simply the clean up crew for the Shadowlands. When the drought happened, they became unstable.

they were described as being from the in between

[Joshuaj]

they were described as being from the in between

Which is in the Shadowlands. The in-between is the area between realms within the Shadowlands. It's like crossing an ocean between islands/continents on Earth.

[Jolly Roger]

Which is in the Shadowlands. The in-between is the area between realms within the Shadowlands. It's like crossing an ocean between islands/continents on Earth.

i missed that distinction

i thought it waa in between all realms

[Joshuaj]

i missed that distinction

i thought it waa in between all realms

Nah. It IS between all realms technically, it's just between all realms in the Shadowlands lmao

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I would not be shocked if there was something akin to the in-between that connected each cosmic realm however. I'd argue we technically saw it at the heart of the sepulcher.

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This is what Danuser said regarding the In-Between: "The In-Between is an amalgam of energies that separates the realms of the Shadowlands. It is vast, but far from empty. Wondrous and terrifying entities reside there, and many secrets are said to be hidden there. It is a chaotic place that few are able to navigate, but rumors claim that a few have learned to navigate it."

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The navigators described here btw are the Eternal Travelers.

[Thomir]

I hope the seventh force isn't something stupid like Hope ...

[huth]

I hope the seventh force isn't something stupid like Hope ...

It will instead be the most powerful force of all: Hops. And brew.

[Joshuaj]

I hope the seventh force isn't something stupid like Hope ...

For all we know, it's nothing we're currently aware of.

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Btw, guys, in regards to Chronicle calling the Shadowlands stuff "myth", that can also just mean that the people in the Shadowlands believe in these legends/stories regarding the First Ones. That's not necessarily calling the Shadowlands belief "false". Chronicle Volume 1 calls it's general belief of the early universe "mythos" as well.

They're both different tales of how the universe came to be.

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Myth has lots of definitions, with the "widely held but false ideal/belief" stuff being one of them, yes. But I doubt Chronicle is using that definition to describe the Shadowlands believes. It's likely using the "sets of legends/stories of early history" definition. Where Chronicle has its own mythos regarding how the universe came to be, the Shadowlands has another set of mythos (which seems to be a generally held belief among the other cosmic forces as well).

I assume both sets of mythos are correct, but I wouldn't be shocked if there was more to the story as well, primarily in regards to how Azeroth fits in all of this.

[Nightshade711]

I hope the seventh force isn't something stupid like Hope ...

It’s gonna be something weird like sound & they’re gonna bring Murmur back with it.
But at least they might add bards with it

[Joshuaj]

It’s gonna be something weird like sound & they’re gonna bring Murmur back with it.
But at least they might add bards with it

I think Murmur is more-so an aspect of something deep within the realm of Disorder. Like the murmur of a Disorder lord or summ

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Okay, headcanon time.

I think the area where the Progenitors are located is called "The High Table".

[Marlamin]

Looks like next Beta build might have a new login screen. Filenames references for it got added in the Beta build they pushed today. No data got shipped/updated yet, so that'll have to wait for the next proper data build.

[Dracullus]

Looks like next Beta build might have a new login screen. Filenames references for it got added in the Beta build they pushed today. No data got shipped/updated yet, so that'll have to wait for the next proper data build.

Interesting. It's not usual situation where tweaking screen here and there would satisfy people. As "book cover" TWW login is pretty much flawless, most people simply prefer or just get used to "vista" login screens.

[Thomir]

Interesting. It's not usual situation where tweaking screen here and there would satisfy people. As "book cover" TWW login is pretty much flawless, most people simply prefer or just get used to "vista" login screens.

I think the warband screens are meant to replace the vista login screens.

[Lady Atia]

I think the warband screens are meant to replace the vista login screens.

Which makes sense as you usually never see the normal login screen anyways these days, only if servers are down. Hence I think the whole QQ about it is overblown, and I feel sorry for the poor artists who had to work on it, now seemingly twice.

[micwini]

Looks like next Beta build might have a new login screen. Filenames references for it got added in the Beta build they pushed today. No data got shipped/updated yet, so that'll have to wait for the next proper data build.

Please be true. I see a lot of people saying "warband screen will replace it", but the warband screen replaces the character screen, not the login/DC screen.
Also: When is all the music coming?

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Which makes sense as you usually never see the normal login screen anyways these days, only if servers are down. Hence I think the whole QQ about it is overblown, and I feel sorry for the poor artists who had to work on it, now seemingly twice.

It is a staple of the game. Especially in games, not every thing needs to have a function.
It isn't that much work. Tthe biggest work of the login screen, is to pick the best vista and maybe animate a moving object (like sindragosa or alexstrasza) if they feel like it adds something. If it took tons of resources and time, they would have stopped doing it since Bnet became fully integrated and just put you straight onto the character screen.

[Valysar]

They're gonna keep the true login screen until prepatch then.

"clouds, bushes, a bridge and buildings"

"Obviously" on the Isle of Dorn/Dornogal I suppose, if there is clouds