Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Civciv]

It picks up where we left off from Dragonflight. Don't be odd.

So you're going to ignore all the stuff Metzen worked on up until Legion? Stuff that matters in TWW and next expansions? Don't be odd.

[Nibelheimy]

So obvious how its literally kicking back to the end of Legion in so so many ways. right where he left off too.

[Nightshade711]

I have a feeling blizzard will bring back Atiesh as a legendary in TWW for casters. Seems like a perfect opportunity to do so if Khadgar is taken out of commission.

[Lady Atia]

I have a feeling blizzard will bring back Atiesh as a legendary in TWW for casters. Seems like a perfect opportunity to do so if Khadgar is taken out of commission.

That actually would be awesome. Imagine if Xal gets her "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" moment were she destroys his staff (and legs) before getting distracted by us so Khadgar survives barely and he later sends us to retrieve the shards of Atiesh from Dalaran's ruins.

[Dracullus]

I have a feeling blizzard will bring back Atiesh as a legendary in TWW for casters. Seems like a perfect opportunity to do so if Khadgar is taken out of commission.

Yeah, casters should feel same pain as Hunters, Evokers (whoops, guess they'll feel it second time) and strength users. In current WoW, where balance is on another level compared to early times, RNG legendary is a curse to your class.

[Sondrelk]

Yeah, casters should feel same pain as Hunters, Evokers (whoops, guess they'll feel it second time) and strength users. In current WoW, where balance is on another level compared to early times, RNG legendary is a curse to your class.

Maybe this time they will actually make it so starting the questline isn't RNG, even if you have to make it a guaranteed drop from final boss Mythic exclusively.

[Trazzle]

Gosh, exciting times!!

Xpac on the horizon, we’ll see what’s announced at gamescom, and we still have no idea what to expect for the 20th anniversary!

[Cheezits]

The City of Threads is really really cool. However I didn't quest on beta so I don't know how the pheromone system works. I hope it lets you talk to the NPCs as there are a lot of them.

[Xilurm]

The City of Threads is really really cool. However I didn't quest on beta so I don't know how the pheromone system works. I hope it lets you talk to the NPCs as there are a lot of them.

Do you gotta use a disguise like in Suramar?

[Cheezits]

Do you gotta use a disguise like in Suramar?

The lore is that you use pheromones as a lot of Nerubians only detect living beings through smell.

There's a guard system like Suramar.

[Dracullus]

I wonder if we see TWW promotion on Gamescom opening ceremony on Tuesday. If yes, there is hope for some extra news on Thursday (Microsoft stream, already confirmed TWW will be there).

Again, I'm not expecting 11.1 because its two patches away, but some info about 11.0.5 stuff and especially anniversary event is possible if TWW get more screen time.

[Nightshade711]

I wonder if we see TWW promotion on Gamescom opening ceremony on Tuesday. If yes, there is hope for some extra news on Thursday (Microsoft stream, already confirmed TWW will be there).

Again, I'm not expecting 11.1 because its two patches away, but some info about 11.0.5 stuff and especially anniversary event is possible if TWW get more screen time.

I could see 11.1 news. It has happened before where we’ve gotten .1 news before launch.

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That actually would be awesome. Imagine if Xal gets her "Old fool! This is my hour. Do you not know Death when you see it? Die now and curse in vain!" moment were she destroys his staff (and legs) before getting distracted by us so Khadgar survives barely and he later sends us to retrieve the shards of Atiesh from Dalaran's ruins.

I think using delves to get the legendary could be cool. Especially if Season 2s is in Dalaran’s ruins.

I just hope that they stop making the questline to acquire the patch’s legendary RNG, like Dragonwrath’s questline.

[Kiivar86]

I wonder if we see TWW promotion on Gamescom opening ceremony on Tuesday. If yes, there is hope for some extra news on Thursday (Microsoft stream, already confirmed TWW will be there).

Again, I'm not expecting 11.1 because its two patches away, but some info about 11.0.5 stuff and especially anniversary event is possible if TWW get more screen time.

I've been seeing a lot of TWW ads, more than I think I've seen for any of the more recent expansions, so it wouldnt' surprise me if there's some promotion there.

[Dracullus]

I've been seeing a lot of TWW ads, more than I think I've seen for any of the more recent expansions, so it wouldnt' surprise me if there's some promotion there.

Yeah, it's not BfA level, but definitely more than for SL and DF. Maybe suits think they can go cheap on marketing if expansion is launching in hot Christmas season? Worked for SL, but not so much with DF.

[Joshuaj]

So obvious how its literally kicking back to the end of Legion in so so many ways. right where he left off too.

The last thing he worked on was the BFA cinematic though...

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So you're going to ignore all the stuff Metzen worked on up until Legion? Stuff that matters in TWW and next expansions? Don't be odd.

No one is ignoring that stuff, but the War Within also delves into things that were explored the last couple of expacs.

[Eldryth]

I think using delves to get the legendary could be cool. Especially if Season 2s is in Dalaran’s ruins.

I just hope that they stop making the questline to acquire the patch’s legendary RNG, like Dragonwrath’s questline.

That reminds me, I wonder if the legendary companion trinket made it into the final release. I could see that being a good reward for getting each season's Delve companion to their max level, and even if it wasn't in beta, that seems like the kind of thing that would be hidden until someone gets it after launch.

As for legendary weapons, I think it would be best if they went back to Dragonwrath's style of questline but with personal loot drops. It shouldn't revolve around RNG, and funneling quest drops to one player doesn't really fit the current game too well. Just throw in a tough solo challenge at the end if they want to keep it prestigious.

[Nibelheimy]

The last thing he worked on was the BFA cinematic though...

Yeah, strangely the new expansion is returning right back to where the story of legion ended. Right before the series of "bad lore expansions" kicked off.

The last thing he worked on was indeed the BFA cinematic. The expansion had a complete tonal and directional change after that cinematic and Metzens departure. I.E. From "For the horde" to "The horde is nothing". The stark comparison between the cinematic and expansion has been discussed over the years quite a bit.

Despite enjoying BFA, it was the start of the slippery slope of bad storytelling that ended with a powerpoint presentation of Blizzard actually admitting some sort of fault.

People are clamouring for Remix: Legion. Not Remix: BFA, or god forbid anything further.

It's not a coincidence we're dialling back some expansions here.

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and if there is anything that anyone should be happy about Metzen being back for is for jumping back in and saying, hey, that cool character everybody loves from Legion, the knife, let's not kill her immediately. Whatever they originally had planned has been extended into a saga and not skimmed over.

[Lady Atia]

Yeah, casters should feel same pain as Hunters, Evokers (whoops, guess they'll feel it second time) and strength users. In current WoW, where balance is on another level compared to early times, RNG legendary is a curse to your class.

Idk, I literally only played my warrior and evoker this expansion for the legendary, and it was also the main reason I mained dk in wotlk (and the push for me to start raiding in ICC), a rogue as alt in cata, my priest for herald of the titans (although I couldn't use my valanyr there haha), and the Sylvanas bow was also the reason I switched back to hunter in Sanctum of Domination.

Legendaries are the best part of WoW, and I'm glad they are back to releasing meaningful, cool looking weapons, hopefully twice again per expansion.

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I could see 11.1 news. It has happened before where we’ve gotten .1 news before launch.

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I think using delves to get the legendary could be cool. Especially if Season 2s is in Dalaran’s ruins.

I just hope that they stop making the questline to acquire the patch’s legendary RNG, like Dragonwrath’s questline.

Oh, delves for sure will be included in the questlines this time. Dragonflight also had you do the open world events.

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That reminds me, I wonder if the legendary companion trinket made it into the final release. I could see that being a good reward for getting each season's Delve companion to their max level, and even if it wasn't in beta, that seems like the kind of thing that would be hidden until someone gets it after launch.

As for legendary weapons, I think it would be best if they went back to Dragonwrath's style of questline but with personal loot drops. It shouldn't revolve around RNG, and funneling quest drops to one player doesn't really fit the current game too well. Just throw in a tough solo challenge at the end if they want to keep it prestigious.

People are already crying if they don't get a loot drop on a piss easy endboss, imagine if they actually can do the quest but never finish it because it's locked behind a "tough solo challenge at the end to keep it prestigious" xD

And please, no weird boring welfire legendary trinkets or rings or necks anymore .... legendaries should be unique weapons that you can transmog down the line even if the expansion is over.

[Luck4]

Yeah, strangely the new expansion is returning right back to where the story of legion ended. Right before the series of "bad lore expansions" kicked off.

The last thing he worked on was indeed the BFA cinematic. The expansion had a complete tonal and directional change after that cinematic and Metzens departure. I.E. From "For the horde" to "The horde is nothing". The stark comparison between the cinematic and expansion has been discussed over the years quite a bit.

Despite enjoying BFA, it was the start of the slippery slope of bad storytelling that ended with a powerpoint presentation of Blizzard actually admitting some sort of fault.

People are clamouring for Remix: Legion. Not Remix: BFA, or god forbid anything further.

It's not a coincidence we're dialling back some expansions here.

That's exactly how I felt after getting a better perspective of the lore from this expansion. BFA lore was bad, Shadowlands was beyond terrible, and Dragonflight was as bad as BFA, thank god Metzen is back!

Xal'athat arc can be compared to the Zovaal(Jailer) arc, and it's already better.

While I still don't like the setting of an underground expansion, and I'm still upset we're probably never getting a World Revamp, at least the story is salvaging this game.

[Doffen]

The lore is that you use pheromones as a lot of Nerubians only detect living beings through smell.

There's a guard system like Suramar.

A pheromone!
What are you hiding??