Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

I'm just happy to get the show on the road again.

[Ersula]

Hope that this new content will be rolled into Retail, too, e.g. during a revamp, else it'd be huge waste.

I believe Classic seasons will be cumulative, with all features being included in subsequent seasons. For example Onyxia & Molten Core has (almost) all the Season of Mastery changes. It sounded like our characters will migrate to retail when the season is over, but that's just items.

I don't think it'll go into TBC because that means having to redesign all the runes for the TBC build changes.

Perhaps they design entirely new phases after naxxramas, for example if the survey hint of adding blood elves would only make canon sense after Naxx. Otherwise I think they only way you could get playable classic high elves is play with the actual point the Silver Covenant & Sunreavers were formed in Dalaran. It would be interesting if the Sunreavers actually pre-date Silvermoon joining the Horde.

[Auxis]

Hope that this new content will be rolled into Retail, too, e.g. during a revamp, else it'd be huge waste.

Agreed. At the very least, bring over the unique models. Some cool models have come out of SoD even if they are just reskinned low-res Vanilla models (the blue katana from BFD, the halved Pit Lord glaive from the Demonfall Canyon dungeon, etc.)

Has this model been used in Retail yet? We've got the gold-hilted one from Exile's Reach, and there was the dark-grey hilt/grey-wood handle model from the Trading Post. Just trying to think if I missed it on the TP or not.

[Lady Atia]

There is one simply move to make next season popular through all phases, although it would be against one of classic rules. Just give transmog from classic quest (from season only) to retail account (of course all transmog after 11.0.5 will lift rules).

It would bring so many people that they could experiment all they want. Currently any classic release fall apart after first month (of course compared to launch, all have enough people to sustain it).

I would instantly start to play a new season of classic if they announce that the characters will end up on retail similiar to pandaria remix.

[Eldryth]

I know all this talk is meant for Vanilla Classic seasons, but I'd be really interested in MoP or Legion Classic if the stuff you earn carried over to live servers. I'd love another chance to earn all of the time-limited stuff that I missed out on like the Mage Tower weapons, Challenge Mode sets, and AotC mounts (by actually doing the content in its original form, of course).

[Auxis]

We also have Kathra'natir powering Dalarans defense system in a Soulstone, so I imagine he should probably break free.

Considering it's bad enough of an attack that the Uncrowned had to evacuate and set up shop in Dornogal as well as surviving mages/citizens (I think all 3; Kirin Tor, Sunreaver, and Silver Convenant, but I can't find the wowhead article that I saw with images of them) dwelling in Dornogal aswell; I hope they are going all in on outcomes if Dalaran is really gone, or at least in really bad shape.

[Darkarath]

Considering it's bad enough of an attack that the Uncrowned had to evacuate and set up shop in Dornogal as well as surviving mages/citizens (I think all 3; Kirin Tor, Sunreaver, and Silver Convenant, but I can't find the wowhead article that I saw with images of them) dwelling in Dornogal aswell; I hope they are going all in on outcomes if Dalaran is really gone, or at least in really bad shape.

Yeah Dalaran is gone but it will be back. Re-introducing it in TLT as the first hub with housing while we reconstruct it could make sense. It will be nice to have it back where it first appeared in WoW.

[Ersula]

I would instantly start to play a new season of classic if they announce that the characters will end up on retail similiar to pandaria remix.

They said we would be keeping our SOD characters when the season ends & that they wouldn't be going to Classic era realms, so the assumption is that they'd go to retail. Otherwise what the heck are they talking about?

[Polybius]

Considering it's bad enough of an attack that the Uncrowned had to evacuate and set up shop in Dornogal as well as surviving mages/citizens (I think all 3; Kirin Tor, Sunreaver, and Silver Convenant, but I can't find the wowhead article that I saw with images of them) dwelling in Dornogal aswell; I hope they are going all in on outcomes if Dalaran is really gone, or at least in really bad shape.

I wonder if this is a pivot point towards the Nexus in Coldarra. I guess we won't know for sure until TLT.

[Catastrophy349]

Happy Launch Week! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvY166dUD7M

[Lady Atia]

They said we would be keeping our SOD characters when the season ends & that they wouldn't be going to Classic era realms, so the assumption is that they'd go to retail. Otherwise what the heck are they talking about?

No way are they gonna send the SoD chars to retail, that's something they would tell us beforehand like with remix since everything classic so far was it's own thing an people would be pissed if they only told them at the end of the season "actually, you can transfer all these classic goodies over to retail now, too bad if you missed out haha".

What I could see though is them announcing a new season based upon SoD (with all the new stuff and more), telling as that yes, this time, chars *will* end up on retail (basically marking it as Remix: Classic), with SoD realms staying online 'till the next season is over, and than sending both SoD and the new season's chars over to retail. That would give people enough time to farm stuff fairly on both seasonal realms.

[Hitei]

Happy Launch Week! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvY166dUD7M

The bit about Xal and people wanting to join up with her was interesting.

[Thomir]

I hope they're not trying to make Xal'atath sympathetic

[Nightshade711]

I hope they're not trying to make Xal'atath sympathetic

You see she’s ACTUALLY trying to turn Azeroth into a void Titan because she believes it is the only way to stop the TRUE evil in the universe because a cosmos divided can’t survive what’s coming!!!

[Ersula]

I know all this talk is meant for Vanilla Classic seasons, but I'd be really interested in MoP or Legion Classic if the stuff you earn carried over to live servers. I'd love another chance to earn all of the time-limited stuff that I missed out on like the Mage Tower weapons, Challenge Mode sets, and AotC mounts (by actually doing the content in its original form, of course).

Eventually, if they continue expansion era classic, it would have to go to retail. The expansions have so far been shorter than they were originally, especially Catalcysm. If they continue to have an expansion last based on how popular that expansion was, classic will be in Shadowlands by the end of 2027

No way are they gonna send the SoD chars to retail, that's something they would tell us beforehand like with remix since everything classic so far was it's own thing an people would be pissed if they only told them at the end of the season "actually, you can transfer all these classic goodies over to retail now, too bad if you missed out haha".

Which wouldn't be an issue if the subsequent season also has all those obtainable items. I don't see why they would remove any of the level up raid content for subsequent classic seasons.

[Lady Atia]

Eventually, if they continue expansion era classic, it would have to go to retail. The expansions have so far been shorter than they were originally, especially Catalcysm. If they continue to have an expansion last based on how popular that expansion was, classic will be in Shadowlands by the end of 2027
Which wouldn't be an issue if the subsequent season also has all those obtainable items. I don't see why they would remove any of the level up raid content for subsequent classic seasons.

Tbh, I would love someone in an interview ask them the question why so far, they are so adamant against linking classic and retail while also destroying any kind of "easy prestige" via promotions, trading post or other things like the ZG crafting. "Some things you just had to do while it's current/hard" would literally the definition of playing classic. I'm wondering if it's one of these last bits of "old devs told us that stuff can never come back" or something like that.

[Raetary]

I hope they're not trying to make Xal'atath sympathetic

Yeah, Marias comment was quite questionable.

People want to be "buddies" with her because she is charismatic, campy, seductive and most of all pretty.
But its her malice and sadism that ties it all together.

They do not need to, nor should they make her sympathetic.
It'd just take away from the character.

[Thomir]

Yeah, Marias comment was quite questionable.

People want to be "buddies" with her because she is charismatic, campy, seductive and most of all pretty.
But its her malice and sadism that ties it all together.

They do not need to, nor should they make her sympathetic.
It'd just take away from the character.

I remember in a previous interview, someone mentioned that Xal'atath was the villain, and Maria said "Is she though?" It rubbed me the wrong way then.

[Xilurm]

They just tryna pull a Shadowbringers. But they've made Xal way too evil for that.

[Eldryth]

I haven't watched the video yet, but while Xal'atath shouldn't actually be sympathetic, a good manipulative villain should be good at convincing others that they are. If she's going to put on a facade to trick us into advancing her goals, great- so long as it's ultimately a lie. Iirc they said at some point (probably at Blizzcon) that her plans revolved around using Azeroth's heroes.