Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foolicious]

Ok, Gamescom opening ceremony in 1h. WoW hype?

More hyped for new monster hunter footage tbh. But monster hunter is confirmed to be in the opening ceremony, and wow is not, so maybe thats why. I still hope for a cinematic or something.

[huth]

Simply put, the idea of "served its role/story, now kill/destroy it" is such a bad thing. That dalaran happens to be destroyed, on a basic level is fine. But the reasoning in that comment is bad. It's like saying, Genn served his role now that Sylvanas is no longer evil kill him. Finn Fairwind served his role, kill him. Talanji server her role, kill her. The blackrock served its story, destroy it. And this doesn't make sense. Genn can retire, Finn can be a background character, the blackrock can remain peaceful. There is no good reason to destroy everything just because "the story is over". A story can be over, doesn't mean the character/place of the story needs to be destroyed. Instead of thinking "burn it", how about thinking "where in the world can it be parked and what will happen in the future with it". Example, if Dalaran wouldn't be destroyed, it could still have a story to be told, landing back in the crater, reestablishing the magic kingdom, interaction between dalaran, gilneas and lordaeron. Simply destroying thing for no reason except the shock factor is bad writing. The red night of Games of Thrones only works because it is an exception, not the rule. The death of Aertih in FF7 is iconic, because death to a party member is not the norm. It is bad writing to destroy/kill everything just because "the story is over".

For that matter, just because something served its original purpose is no reason it can't later have another one.

Though i don't think your reasoning quite fits for Dalaran, since it's removal is already a done deal. No removal being permanent is itself also a silly concept.

[Enrif]

I read it as "it is no longer required, it can be destroyed", not "is is no longer required, therefore it must be destroyed". No one mentioned this applying to other things but you.

WoW kills to many character and destroys things as is already. Varian, Vol'jin, Tirion, Maraad, AU Orgrimm, Nathanos, Nazgrimm. Taylor, Rasthakan, Arthas Soul, the bombing of Theramore, the burning of Teldrassil, the defilement of the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, and i don't know what else.
WoW is wasteful with its world building. It got better during BfA of all things. Azshara survived where she would have been killed in earlier expansions (see Illidan, Kael'thas and Vashj in BC), Shadowlands kept Denathrius alive, DF kept two of the four incarnates alive.
Sure, WoW is about a lot of conflict. but if things are only destroyed over and over again, it misses the other part. Building stuff. Be it locations or characters. This is currently the dilemma of the horde. Most of its recognizable characters were killed of, without proper work on new characters. And when someone careless attitude appears like "Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.", that makes me facepalm. Such disregard for worldbuilding for some cheap shock factor.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Unless they turn Borean Tundra into some strange megalopolis, or there is no city, the main hub will be Dalaran in TLT because it was the hub in Wrath and nostalgia demands it.

It will just be relocated and/or reconstructed to a bigger size because (literal) magic.

We are introduced, again, to a spider like humanoid species this expansion. If only there was such a place in Northrend.... Or if only there was a huge Titan facility in Northrend.

[Makabreska]

How long should we expect to wait in case there is something?

Opening ceremonies are usually 1-2h where they show all the most important stuff. We can see something there, unless there is a scheduled Microsoft/Blizz panel later.

[Enrif]

For that matter, just because something served its original purpose is no reason it can't later have another one.

Though i don't think your reasoning quite fits for Dalaran, since it's removal is already a done deal. No removal being permanent is itself also a silly concept.

I said, the destruction in and of itself is not my issue. The attitude of "Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.", this riles me up.

[huth]

It is a step up from "We never figured out what this characters' role in the story was so we better kill them." RIP Nathanos, Ronin, Benedictus & Nyolotha.

PS was Aerith's death iconic because it was out of pocket, or because the writer was dealing with the death of his mother and channeling that into the story? FF7 was not the first jrpg to kill off a party member. FF2, FF4, FF5 & FF6 also did that.

They died as part of their role, not because they couldn't figure one out.


Also, yeah, characters dying is more of a FF tradition than anything. Of note, the exceptions in the first 7 are the games that did not (originally) have well-defined player characters.

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I said, the destruction in and of itself is not my issue. The attitude of "Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.", this riles me up.

And as i said, that would work if it wasn't already gone anyway. Leaving it that way is a different thing than intentionally removing it simply because it ran its purpose. They are not, in fact, saying that everything without a purpose should immediately be removed as you claim.

[Catastrophy349]

The King has returned! https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...t=share_button

[Sondrelk]

The King has returned! https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...t=share_button

Neato! Anything interesting in there so far?

[Darkarath]

Neato! Anything interesting in there so far?

Watching it right now. First interesting thing, when Metzen came back, TWW has been in development for 10 months.

[Cheezits]

Watching it right now. First interesting thing, when Metzen came back, TWW has been in development for 10 months.

That lines up with how TWW is more OC stuff very tied to DF while the rest of the saga is... not.

[Timester]

I said, the destruction in and of itself is not my issue. The attitude of "Let it be gone, it no longer servers a purpose.", this riles me up.

And yet, I'm not saying to remove it. I'm simply stating the fact that is already gone, which it is (or will be by Thursday) and Dalaran's purpose in the lore is fulfilled and overlapped.

Since it's already gone, let other places shine and the world evolve.

[Enrif]

Neato! Anything interesting in there so far?

The sword is a 13.x thing. It will be a thing they builod up until the end. So no sword resolution in TWW

[Sondrelk]

Watching it right now. First interesting thing, when Metzen came back, TWW has been in development for 10 months.

Listening to it now. Guess it's more about how Metzen feels about making TWW and the vibes of the expansion more so than specific things to look forward to.

[Cheezits]

The sword is a 13.x thing. It will be a thing they builod up until the end. So no sword resolution in TWW

Nice, that leaves the end of this expansion kind of mysterious if it's not right under Silithus.

[Enrif]

And yet, I'm not saying to remove it. I'm simply stating the fact that is already gone, which it is (or will be by Thursday) and Dalaran's purpose in the lore is fulfilled and overlapped.

Since it's already gone, let other places shine and the world evolve.

And that is perfectly fine. This is not my issue. It is the attitude that once something has made their story seemingly finished, it is expendable.

[Sondrelk]

The sword is a 13.x thing. It will be a thing they builod up until the end. So no sword resolution in TWW

I guess that is to be expected. Can't really remove it ourselves anyways. Still hoping for an underground Silithus patch to end TWW specifically.

[milkmustache]

That lines up with how TWW is more OC stuff very tied to DF while the rest of the saga is... not.

Yep. Metzen implies that he felt the 20th Anniversary should have been far more impactful than the story they had original laid out, tro which the team gave a little pushback due to their depth in development, which ultimately birthed the idea of the Worldsoul Saga. It seems like those rumors of some clashes between Metzen and the writing team have a bit of ground to them.

I'm excited for TWW, but Midnight and TLT seem to be true Metzen babies and are worthy of some serious enthusiasm.

[Makabreska]

The sword is a 13.x thing. It will be a thing they builod up until the end. So no sword resolution in TWW

Makes sense. Stuff is big/important nuff to be left for the end. And we all know that someone gonna wield him again.

[Enrif]

Nice, that leaves the end of this expansion kind of mysterious if it's not right under Silithus.

Indeed. And i think this could also point towards that the core of Azreoth and the Worldsoul are not visited within TWW, but kept likely for TLT