Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

If the Void Lords are "dealt with" by taking care of Dimensius in Midnight, and the Titans vs Sargeras beef is retired in TLT, then we will probably shift to a final arc that deals with Azshara and Denathrius: two of the most iconic villains tied to Azeroth (Denathrius through the Nathrezim) that are left. But I'm aware there's a shocking possibility Azshara is slain in Midnight.

The God Emperor of Arathor will probably be another story but the jury's out on if he's a friend or not.

I just realized that despite him most likely to be involved with demons through the Nathrezim, Denathrius could also be linked to the Scourge through his death powers and knowledge of them through the Nathrezim and Zovaal.

Fair, but I just want Disorder Lords man. Denathrius can also be a part of that story, but Disorder just feels so...half baked rn.

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Also, it is possible that Dimensius is gonna be the final boss of Midnight, but I have a crackpot theory. What if the final boss is K'aresh?

[Sondrelk]

Fair, but I just want Disorder Lords man. Denathrius can also be a part of that story, but Disorder just feels so...half baked rn.

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Also, it is possible that Dimensius is gonna be the final boss of Midnight, but I have a crackpot theory. What if the final boss is K'aresh?

K'aresh as the final encounter would be interesting. Though probably a bit too close to how Legion ended with fighting Argus.

[Joshuaj]

K'aresh as the final encounter would be interesting. Though probably a bit too close to how Legion ended with fighting Argus.

Possibly, but IF K'aresh is a Void Creature and not a Titan, it would definitely fit in with the Worldsoul Saga and TLTs narrative in the future.

[micwini]

Pure disorder would be something like Murmur from SLabs I'd imagine

[Cheezits]

Personally I think K'aresh IS Dimensius, a World Soul turned into a Void Lord (which is what Sargeras wanted to make sure wouldn't happen to Azeroth).

Per Wowpedia:

"How the Voidlord found K'aresh is still hotly debated among the surviving ethereals, but the effects of his coming were unmistakable: he opened countless gateways into the Void and the Twisting Nether around the planet, bathing K'aresh in arcane and dark energies. "

This sounds suspiciously like "Ka'resh turned into a Voidlord and nuked his own planet" to me.

This would also tie into the "Nathrezim were the ones turning World Souls into Voidlords" plot which I THINK is still canon as of Chronicle. Kill Dimensius -> Return to Nathrezim plot.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Why should they mention Steve when he is no longer part of the company? Would be absurd and unprofessional lol.

Also yeah, Metzen implied they atleast changed the name of TWW and I guess they had planned to do Avaloren next instead of going back to the old zones initially.

Because if your 10 months into a story and not throwing most of it out to refocus you’d think you would atleast mention the lead of said story and the foundation they set. It’s not like they never mentioned Metzen once he left.

[Joshuaj]

Pure disorder would be something like Murmur from SLabs I'd imagine

That's what I was thinking.

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Personally I think K'aresh IS Dimensius, a World Soul turned into a Void Lord (which is what Sargeras wanted to make sure wouldn't happen to Azeroth).

Per Wowpedia:

"How the Voidlord found K'aresh is still hotly debated among the surviving ethereals, but the effects of his coming were unmistakable: he opened countless gateways into the Void and the Twisting Nether around the planet, bathing K'aresh in arcane and dark energies. "

This sounds suspiciously like "Ka'resh turned into a Voidlord and nuked his own planet" to me.

This would also tie into the "Nathrezim were the ones turning World Souls into Voidlords" plot which I THINK is still canon as of Chronicle. Kill Dimensius -> Return to Nathrezim plot.

That is possible, but based off recent lore, it seems more like Dimensius found K'aresh and succeeded in "claiming it".

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Besides, when Argus became a "titan", it kept it's name. Wouldn't be shocked if K'aresh kept it's name as well.

[username993720]

I imagine by Midnight its 90% Metzens vision by that point.

Let's hope so.

That is my point. Strong community desire to go back to old world will be adressed in Midnight, cause Khaz Algar was already far into production.

And TLT.

But, there are still lore locations unaccounted for.
I don't get why they invent new ones when they have them lying around.

[Enrif]

I still am of the mind, that K'aresh and the current Radiant Song did not originate from World Souls, but light creatures (unless world souls are considered light creatures). We don't know what it was on K'aresh, but i'm thinking something like the Beledar. And that light creature has fallen to Darkness and became Dimensius, which then destroyed the World. And the name Dimensius is not unsimilar to another light creature that became a void creautre. M'uru that became Entropius. Dimensius, Entropius and also in Invalidus from AU Draenor. Their naming convention is the same. A word ending on -ius.

[Joshuaj]

The Light can possess similar songs, sure. But I think the radiant song just works for Worldsouls.

Granted, if it was revealed that the Light manipulated Azeroths song a bit, I wouldn't be shocked either.

[Cheezits]

Mists Remix is confirmed to be coming back again, and maybe some Remix items will be available earlier.

Nice to see it will return, but I hope it comes back with a different Timewalking area as well.

[Dracullus]

Mists Remix is confirmed to be coming back again, and maybe some Remix items will be available earlier.

Nice to see it will return, but I hope it comes back with a different Timewalking area as well.

Specifically MoP Remix? I feel like people got their fill of MoP (especially if they decided to do Classic next year), spaming Remix more often than 1 per expansion feels like mistake too. Imo most elegant way is just WoD Remix in TWW S4 and adding vendor with all Remix exclusive items from MoP era there.

[Sondrelk]

Specifically MoP Remix? I feel like people got their fill of MoP (especially if they decided to do Classic next year), spaming Remix more often than 1 per expansion feels like mistake too. Imo most elegant way is just WoD Remix in TWW S4 and adding vendor with all Remix exclusive items from MoP era there.

Maybe as an option for whenever regular MoP timerunning becomes available. Would only be about one week per 2 and a half months, right?

[Lady Atia]

Maybe as an option for whenever regular MoP timerunning becomes available. Would only be about one week per 2 and a half months, right?

I already said it and I will die on that hill, remixes should be replacing timewalking properly, or atleast running alongside. And I surely hope they keep adding new rewards to it over time.

[hattahat]

In fact, we've already been told that expansions up to Midnight are already planned before Battle for Azeroth.

[Dracullus]

I already said it and I will die on that hill, remixes should be replacing timewalking properly, or atleast running alongside. And I surely hope they keep adding new rewards to it over time.

Event where everyone grind like crazy for godlike powers and clear raids on their level almost solo? Of course not, it would lose all charm if this was up every month.

But having way to level your character from start to max in older expansion? Of course it should be a thing, but why limit it to timewalking? Just enable Chromie time as option to level 10 to 80 in one of first TWW patches for all people who did campaign and get 80 on their main in Khaz Algar.

Maybe we should also get special rewards with different expansion themes for people who pick specific Chromie time and won't switch to another before max level, to avoid both people rushing through warlo.. I mean fastest expac or jumping over different expansion for most lucrative quests. For example MoP could have returning Remix cosmetics.

[Mekkle]

I hope we get a dwarf raid

[Makabreska]

I hope we get a dwarf raid

Don't think there is much chance for that. It would have to be in S1 in zones like Ringing Deeps, but instead we get Nerubians. S2 will probably be goblin stuff (maybe they can fit few doorfs there) and S3 will be a culmination with most likely bigger threats.

[Sondrelk]

Don't think there is much chance for that. It would have to be in S1 in zones like Ringing Deeps, but instead we get Nerubians. S2 will probably be goblin stuff (maybe they can fit few doorfs there) and S3 will be a culmination with most likely bigger threats.

I could see the final patch being in some kind of Titan facility filled with Earthen. Though I suppose if we go for that idea I guess it's more likely we don't see anything like that until TLT in Ulduar.

[Cheezits]

S1- Nerubians
S2- Undermine with Siege of Undermine (Or Gallywixland or something like that)
Megadungeon- ??????????
S3- Rootlands and Roots of Elun'ahir Raid
S4- Awakened

And then moving on!