Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Al Gorefiend]

Kezan already exists! It's the Goblin starting area!

If you mean The Undermine it'll 99% chance work as they did with Mechagon, with its own zone. and dungeon.
It'll more than likely be a civil war between all the Goblin factions and independents.

You've got the Horde Bilgewater Cartel
The neutral Steamwheedle Cartel
Gallywix and his new rebellious faction
The hostile Venture Co

RIP.
I did mean Undermine.

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You know that Gazlowe was featured prominently in the TWW marketing, right? Even getting his own story and artwork.

You cannot possibly believe that his contribution to TWW will amount to getting kidnapped by Nerubians.

It is now all but confirmed that Kezan will feature in TWW. Naturally, as with every patch zone, it will be Neutral.

FYI. I meant Undermine and I assumed Dancaris meant Undermine too.

Kezan yes. Neutral of course, Bilgewater are 100% Neutral now they are led and operated by a Neutral Goblin for years (Horde-aligned loosely Neutral non-moral derived. All profit) he's been a prominent Steamwheedle for years. Kezan being Horde only would be as weird as Silvermoon staying Horde only.

[Cheezits]

So on the Wowhead dressing room you can see there is an option for the Dirigible to have Arathi colors and their symbol, but it's not currently ingame. I think this is a hint that one of the seasons will be Arathi themed.

[huth]

Elune'Era is a direct gift to the cosmic force of life.

Oh, you mean Elun'ahir.

And we don't know if ripping it out created Un'goro. Though given where it's roots grow, it probably stood a lot closer to Khaz Algar. The crater may well have filled in since, especially with Eonar not wanting to alert the other Titans to it.

Your "safe guess" is not safe at all. Last we saw Ilgynoth, it wasn't anywhere even remotely close to any trees. And is likely now dead anyway.

[Thomir]

So on the Wowhead dressing room you can see there is an option for the Dirigible to have Arathi colors and their symbol, but it's not currently ingame. I think this is a hint that one of the seasons will be Arathi themed.

Every season will have a new companion and a new mount.

[Chickat]

Hallowfall is absolutely gorgeous and has some lovely questing.

This expansion's leveling (lorewise) and world-building are pretty much BfA tier of good so far. I'm really glad to see it overall. I've rarely had so much fun just leveling.

Yeah, I think the campaign is a solid B. Its a lot better than DF or Shadowlands, but not as good as Legion or WoD imo. I think an extra chapter or two would have fleshed it out a lot, but they all feel too short. Big improvement, but lots of room for growth still.

As of now my xpac level up campaign ranking would be something like

WoD>Legion>MoP>BFA=TWW>Cata>DF>SL.

Wrath and prior level ups are really too dated for me to rank tbh.

As far as BFA vs TWW is concerned, TWW is more consistently average/above average, but BFA has larger cool moments with lots of inconsistent things that actively hurt the lore of the game.

[Super Dickmann]

Got sidetracked with sidequests, so I haven't progressed as much as I'd like but first impressions are pretty decent. The Dalaran destruction scenario was quick, but got its point across, though for efficiency they really should've had her be Karlain or another bit player rather than someone returning. The Earthen are shockingly not boring, and while from spoilers I know later on they're likely to congeal to the blando cultural mass, I do like that even the Unbound still act and speak in line with their constructed nature while the Titan-aligned guys aren't caricaturized. The bit where Baelgrim and Adelgonn talk and he actually acknowledges he's fucked up while she notes that they couldn't have done it without him works out and it makes the finale largely land, though as Val said, the actual production value of the detonation at the meadery doesn't hit the beat it has to.

On a less negative first impressions note and while I expect it to be amended come Azj'kahet, the nerubians are massively underwritten and only don't seem so because their most recent competitors are the Primalists. No one seems to react to this hitherto unknown kingdom of bugs showing up past the first two minutes or in any way inquires about them with the local earthen.

[Chickat]

Got sidetracked with sidequests, so I haven't progressed as much as I'd like but first impressions are pretty decent. The Dalaran destruction scenario was quick, but got its point across, though for efficiency they really should've had her be Karlain or another bit player rather than someone returning. The Earthen are shockingly not boring, and while from spoilers I know later on they're likely to congeal to the blando cultural mass, I do like that even the Unbound still act and speak in line with their constructed nature while the Titan-aligned guys aren't caricaturized. The bit where Baelgrim and Adelgonn talk and he actually acknowledges he's fucked up while she notes that they couldn't have done it without him works out and it makes the finale largely land, though as Val said, the actual production value of the detonation at the meadery doesn't hit the beat it has to.

On a less negative first impressions note and while I expect it to be amended come Azj'kahet, the nerubians are massively underwritten and only don't seem so because their most recent competitors are the Primalists. No one seems to react to this hitherto unknown kingdom of bugs showing up past the first two minutes or in any way inquires about them with the local earthen.

They feel like a threat on the level of the Legion loyalist Nightborne from Suramar to me, but even by the end of the campaign they still dont have a huge amount of story. Mostly because the campaign is so short. I suspect they aren't meant to last as villains past the initial patch anyways, so not a huge deal to me.

[Super Dickmann]

They feel like a threat on the level of the Legion loyalist Nightborne from Suramar to me, but even by the end of the campaign they still dont have a huge amount of story. Mostly because the campaign is so short. I suspect they aren't meant to last as villains past the initial patch anyways, so not a huge deal to me.

I'd agree with the last bit that they aren't really meant to be long-running, but they are the baddies with the most narrative focus and anyone else who'd fill those shoes would have even less to work with than them. Their allies haven't got much going for them (based on previews, as I haven't got there), Ethereals aside who've got the problem of glowing purple guys in a raid that featured glowing purple, with the Arathi cultists/skardyn being disposable and the Venture Co being unrelated bit villains. The fungarians of all factions have an inordinate focus on them for whatever reason, but I'm not seeing the mushroom raid or even where this is going.

That and historically, the starting baddies of recent expansions (BFA notwithstanding, shambles that it is), have always stuck around the whole length in some capacity. You fight Mawsworn of one kind or another throughout SL, the Primalists get Flame Druid allies but still persist with Fyrakk through the expansion, the Legion has more green demons than you can shake a stick at. I suppose you could move on to featuring just more and more abstract kinds of ascended and make the mutation angle the long-running baddie aesthetic.

[Varodoc]

RIP.
I did mean Undermine.

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FYI. I meant Undermine and I assumed Dancaris meant Undermine too.

Kezan yes. Neutral of course, Bilgewater are 100% Neutral now they are led and operated by a Neutral Goblin for years (Horde-aligned loosely Neutral non-moral derived. All profit) he's been a prominent Steamwheedle for years. Kezan being Horde only would be as weird as Silvermoon staying Horde only.

I mean, there are only 3 known places in Kezan: the wrecked Bilgewater port, a town literally called "Crapopolis" (what a joke of a race), and Undermine.

[Xilurm]

So like. You can't see the seat of the pantheon in the sky anymore. At least from the Isle of Dorn.

That's a problem, right?

[Chickat]

So like. You can't see the seat of the pantheon in the sky anymore. At least from the Isle of Dorn.

That's a problem, right?

Probably an oversight.

[Raetary]

So like. You can't see the seat of the pantheon in the sky anymore. At least from the Isle of Dorn.

That's a problem, right?

You can't see the Seat from the Dragon Isles either, but its still there everywhere else.

They just forgot to add it to the new skyboxes.

[Alanar]

RIP.
I did mean Undermine.

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FYI. I meant Undermine and I assumed Dancaris meant Undermine too.

Kezan yes. Neutral of course, Bilgewater are 100% Neutral now they are led and operated by a Neutral Goblin for years (Horde-aligned loosely Neutral non-moral derived. All profit) he's been a prominent Steamwheedle for years. Kezan being Horde only would be as weird as Silvermoon staying Horde only.

Idk, but Goblins are cool and Undermine could potentially be super interesting.

[Timester]

The worldbuilding keeps surprising me. They even talk about uprisings in the Empire of Arathor during the preparation of the Steelstrike family dinner!

[Shadowferal]

The worldbuilding keeps surprising me. They even talk about uprisings in the Empire of Arathor during the preparation of the Steelstrike family dinner!

"Worldbuilding?"
That's a joke as it's relevant to a singular expansion. Where's the progression for the races that have been ingame from the beginning?

[OCoyne]

Your "safe guess" is not safe at all. Last we saw Ilgynoth, it wasn't anywhere even remotely close to any trees. And is likely now dead anyway.

Completely forgotten what happened after Xavius then lmao. That nightmare wasn't actually cleansed, that was a dream of the dream. Ironically if you have Xala'tath equipped as a Shadow priest she even tells you that.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Because a thread on this will inevitably be created, I thought maybe we could get ahead of it now.

This was posted by Kaivax yesterday:

As players have jumped into The War Within and begun leveling up, we’ve seen data and heard a great deal of feedback that players coming into Khaz Algar with endgame Dragonflight gear were extremely powerful relative to that initial content. It is entirely intended that effort put into gearing translates into a significant combat advantage at the start of a new expansion, but the values we’ve been seeing are extreme, often not even allowing time for normal combat rotations. This disparity also caused mixed-level groups to experience skewed results, with lower-level players contributing drastically more than level 80s. Tomorrow, Wednesday, August 28, we’re going to apply hotfixes to the game to address this.

The hotfixes will adjust the scaling of enemies in War Within leveling content to increase the power of lower-level enemies, bringing the duration of combat more in line with expected WoW behavior. These changes will be most noticeable at level 70, and will have a reduced impact as your level increases. Enemies at level 80 and above will be unchanged.

Again, we’ll make these changes tomorrow, August 28.

Thank you!

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...coming/1931861


So, some of the immediate talking points:

• This solves a problem nobody had
• This change punishes poor people who didn't purchase Early Access
• This change punishes players who grinded the hardest content for the best gear, therefore losing the advantage Kaivax mentioned
• "fun detected"
• Pointless change, serves to make you play the game longer

[Timester]

"Worldbuilding?"
That's a joke as it's relevant to a singular expansion. Where's the progression for the races that have been ingame from the beginning?

Worldbuilding is worldbuilding, being previous races or new. And the previous races will only show up later.

[Cheezits]

The Earthen are great, I'm a big fan of the Oathsworn. However I didn't enjoy Merrix's speech in the max level campaign. Why not let Earthen decide if they are bound or not?

[Sondrelk]

The Earthen are great, I'm a big fan of the Oathsworn. However I didn't enjoy Merrix's speech in the max level campaign. Why not let Earthen decide if they are bound or not?

Getting a choice is kinda the whole thing that makes them unbound. Giving them a choice in whether they have a choice doesn't make sense.