Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Raetary]

It's perfectly possible she's just wrong.

We know she is wrong.

Because not only have we had Azeroth communicating with people on screen like 3 times now, but every single source of relevance very much confirms her to be the one causing the song.

Faerin literally grew up in a cave with next to no knowledge about broader Azerothian ongoings.
Of course she thinks the visions must be from the Beledar, it and the old Emperors prophecies are the only reference point she has.

She has no idea that the planet even has a World Soul.

[Enrif]

Please point me to any worldsoul/radiant song related quests/events past Magnis shortcut that isn't tied to Hallowfall. I have not finished the other zones and all sidequests, but every other area is absolutely quiet about the worldsoul/radiant song. But Hallowfall points it out mutliple times.

[Sondrelk]

Please point me to any worldsoul/radiant song related quests/events past Magnis shortcut that isn't tied to Hallowfall. I have not finished the other zones and all sidequests, but every other area is absolutely quiet about the worldsoul/radiant song. But Hallowfall points it out mutliple times.

The endgame questline in Dornogal starts by having us go to the Chamber of Memories. Every zone has a place to see Azeroth's memories. It's hinted very strongly that the Radiant song and Azeroth's memories popping up like it did in the Pre-patch are linked.

[Eldryth]

We know she is wrong.

Because not only have we had Azeroth communicating with people on screen like 3 times now, but every single source of relevance very much confirms her to be the one causing the song.

Faerin literally grew up in a cave with next to no knowledge about broader Azerothian ongoings.
Of course she thinks the visions must be from the Beledar, it and the old Emperors prophecies are the only reference point she has.

She has no idea that the planet even has a World Soul.

Anduin did think he heard it coming from Beledar too once, but there's too much that only fits if it really is Azeroth.

I think it makes the most sense if Beladar is echoing Azeroth's message. My prediction is that it's a monitoring device (or station), broadcasting whatever Azeroth says to the forces of the Light so they know to intervene in a crisis. And that will be why they come to our aid in Midnight (since Metzen already said we'd be siding with them against the Void).

[Telogrus]

Is there hard evidence that the Goblins and Harronir/Rootlands are going to feature in the same patch, or is that just speculation?

[Marlamin]

Is there hard evidence that the Goblins and Harronir/Rootlands are going to feature in the same patch, or is that just speculation?

I don't believe there's anything connecting them outside of speculation

[Al Gorefiend]

I mean, there are only 3 known places in Kezan: the wrecked Bilgewater port, a town literally called "Crapopolis" (what a joke of a race), and Undermine.

They are, in fact, a joke of a race and everyone notices.

They're funny and exciting.

[Kiivar86]

Is there hard evidence that the Goblins and Harronir/Rootlands are going to feature in the same patch, or is that just speculation?

Far as I know just speculation, but seems a pretty safe bet. The goblins often are located in particularly nature-y areas to then ravage it.

[Eldryth]

Is there hard evidence that the Goblins and Harronir/Rootlands are going to feature in the same patch, or is that just speculation?

Still speculation I think, trying to figure out how the datamined Goblin raid stuff can connect with the story we've actually seen. The other popular guess is us actually going to Kezan, but with the setup we have so far, I don't see how that could be anything other than a complete tangent, something that I'd hope to avoid with the new focus on story. And there's no way a patch story would be enough to do Undermine justice for Goblin fans anyway.

Plus the Harronir/Rootlands are obviously the biggest setup with have for a major patch, and with us probably only getting two more tiers, that leaves two real possibilities (assuming that string wasn't misleading and we even get a Goblin raid in the first place)- either we go to the Rootlands in 11.1 and deal with the Goblins there, or the Rootlands are the climax of TWW in 11.2 where we fight a more significant threat. The Goblins aren't nearly connected enough to the ongoing story, or a serious enough threat, to be the big finale so they'd have to be 11.1 or nothing.

[micwini]

I see everyone speculating about 11.1 & 11.2.
Any 11.3 believers?

[Eldryth]

I see everyone speculating about 11.1 & 11.2.
Any 11.3 believers?

I don't see it happening now that they're actually releasing expansions more often. I doubt they would speed up how often we get major patches, especially not enough to fit in a whole extra season and still keep up the faster expansions.

As far as I'm concerned though, that just means getting expansion-level features more often, so I'm happy with it.

[Viridiel]

Anduin did think he heard it coming from Beledar too once, but there's too much that only fits if it really is Azeroth.

I think it makes the most sense if Beladar is echoing Azeroth's message. My prediction is that it's a monitoring device (or station), broadcasting whatever Azeroth says to the forces of the Light so they know to intervene in a crisis. And that will be why they come to our aid in Midnight (since Metzen already said we'd be siding with them against the Void).

I think so. It seems very, very likely to me that Beledar is resonating with Azeroth and amplifying her voice. We've long had strong associations between music and the Light (mirroring the Void's whispers), and we know that the titanforged often use the Light. It seems reasonable to me that there might be some sort of Light-based apparatus that usually allows thraegar alone to hear Azeroth, but that's recently been disturbed and she's been able to communicate more widely.

[milkmustache]

I see everyone speculating about 11.1 & 11.2.
Any 11.3 believers?

I don't think we'll be seeing .3 patches any time soon with the current cadence, but I do expect the .5 and .7 patches to be larger than Dragonflight to some extent. Maybe if we're lucky we'll get 2 megadungeons.

[FelPlague]

I see everyone speculating about 11.1 & 11.2.
Any 11.3 believers?

Nah, 100% no 11.3
11.0.5
11.0.7
11.1.0
11.1.5
11.1.7
11.2.0
11.2.5
11.2.7
No way with thos faster cadence from expansion to expansion with this saga are we gunna get a .3

[Mecheon]

We might get another .3 as just a Fated season to lead into the next, but I wouldn't expect a full on patch

[OCoyne]

Far as I know just speculation, but seems a pretty safe bet. The goblins often are located in particularly nature-y areas to then ravage it.

Undermine is the capital city of the Goblins. There's nothing more un-naturey than a vast city full of rockets, dynamites, latest inventions and technologies and Trade Princes
Meanwhile the other is a dead world tree corrupted by the void.

They are absolutely not the same place.

Not even Blizzard are capable of writing a story that bad. "Adventurers we need your help saving the tree" "Why what's manifesting in the nightmare?" "Aw, it's just a few Goblins on their shredders"

One patch will feature the tree's conversion to the void, the other is just guesswork at this stage.

[milkmustache]

The respective embassies are a nice touch. I like a lot of the new NPC sets, how they're mismatched and unique.

I need the gear from the Warsong Grunts though. I don't recall ever seeing any of those pieces before, although most look a little older, maybe WoD era.

EDIT: Ahhh, our sole Night Elf paladin has made an appearance.

[huth]

We know she is wrong.

Because not only have we had Azeroth communicating with people on screen like 3 times now, but every single source of relevance very much confirms her to be the one causing the song.

Faerin literally grew up in a cave with next to no knowledge about broader Azerothian ongoings.
Of course she thinks the visions must be from the Beledar, it and the old Emperors prophecies are the only reference point she has.

She has no idea that the planet even has a World Soul.

Leaves one to wonder how much the Arathi Empire actually knows about what happened in the last few decades. Did the Legion also attack them? Have they any idea what Horde and Alliance have been up to? Do they even have any real information about the "old" world beyond myths and legends?

[Kiivar86]

Undermine is the capital city of the Goblins. There's nothing more un-naturey than a vast city full of rockets, dynamites, latest inventions and technologies and Trade Princes
Meanwhile the other is a dead world tree corrupted by the void.

They are absolutely not the same place.

Not even Blizzard are capable of writing a story that bad. "Adventurers we need your help saving the tree" "Why what's manifesting in the nightmare?" "Aw, it's just a few Goblins on their shredders"

One patch will feature the tree's conversion to the void, the other is just guesswork at this stage.

Yeah, hence why I said why they go to nature-y areas to ravage it. Do you think they just set up shop in already despoiled areas? Go look at Stranglethorn Vale with the Venture Company, or compare Azshara of old with Azshara of Cataclysm. They go to places to then exploit it. Its what they do.

Also I"m not saying it'd be the only thing there. I don't know if you've noticed, but each zone has multiple themes in them.

"Adventurers, we need help saving the tree, there are multiple threats, from the void to these goblins who are also pillaging the area."

[Seasz]

so is 11.1 already established as the Undermine patch?

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what about the rootlands?