Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Didnt we have 'goblinraid' and 'etherealraid' items datamined? Rootlands is small forbidden reach type zone at best. Might also just be scrapped entirely

We did. Though given some of the stuff is very clearly attached to items already available (if you count the Azj'Kahet raid) I wouldnt put too much stock on it.
A Goblin Raid is likely because of the many hints towards Undermine and the Venture company. And an Ethereal raid isnt really, given the most we have gotten about them is a boss in the raid, and the offhand mention of K'aresh sending out a Radiant Song before it fell to the void.

[Cheezits]

So I was doing the Worldsoul Memory in north Hallowfall and it directly confirms that the Kobyss are Ankoan. Also, they lore drop that they are the only Ankoan that were able to fight off the Naga, who are another enemy in the vision. You also see Ankoan Jinyu.

Maybe the buildup for this isn't for a TWW patch, but actually an undersea area in Midnight? We've had theories that Naga would be involved because "elf tribe" and Azshara/Void, but maybe the Kobyss necromancy is going to tie them to the Scourge who will be around in Midnight as well?

[Nightshade711]

Didnt we have 'goblinraid' and 'etherealraid' items datamined?

The etherealraid items were attached to the Ethereal boss in the current raid. The goblinraid items COULD be similar.

Rootlands is small forbidden reach type zone at best. Might also just be scrapped entirely

Doubt it, the size of the map showed it was approximately the same size as the Ringing Deeps, much too big to be a small minor patch zone.
The goblins will probably try to exploit the roots for profit like they normally do.

I suspect that patch would also give us a Harronir allied race.

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We did. Though given some of the stuff is very clearly attached to items already available (if you count the Azj'Kahet raid) I wouldnt put too much stock on it.
A Goblin Raid is likely because of the many hints towards Undermine and the Venture company. And an Ethereal raid isnt really, given the most we have gotten about them is a boss in the raid, and the offhand mention of K'aresh sending out a Radiant Song before it fell to the void.

I would like an Ethereal/K’aresh zone or raid at some point in the WSS. I could see it more for Midnight than TWW though.

[Sondrelk]

So I was doing the Worldsoul Memory in north Hallowfall and it directly confirms that the Kobyss are Ankoan. Also, they lore drop that they are the only Ankoan that were able to fight off the Naga, who are another enemy in the vision. You also see Ankoan Jinyu.

Maybe the buildup for this isn't for a TWW patch, but actually an undersea area in Midnight? We've had theories that Naga would be involved because "elf tribe" and Azshara/Void, but maybe the Kobyss necromancy is going to tie them to the Scourge who will be around in Midnight as well?

Kobyss being Ankoan is definitely a cool bit of lore. Even if it digs up old wounds of not getting them as an AR in BfA.

Undersea patch in TWW seems far fetched. But I still have high hopes for crossing the Sunless sea, finding more monstrosities on the far side.

I hope Kobyss get carried forward though. They really do feel like the more serious version of Murlocs. How they make illusions of friendly Arathi, or create chests that are trapped.


Edit: just saw you said Midnight, not TWW. And yeah, I could see that work. Even just them being an antagonistic force to future friendly Naga would be nice.
I guess we can only wait and see what Midnight ends up looking like.

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The etherealraid items were attached to the Ethereal boss in the current raid. The goblinraid items COULD be similar.

I want to say the Goblinraid stuff is attached to the trinkets that have the tooltip of a detonator. Like the one from the meadery that summons explosive barrels.

[Cheezits]

I want to say the Goblinraid stuff is attached to the trinkets that have the tooltip of a detonator. Like the one from the meadery that summons explosive barrels.

The Goblinraid directly comes from an icon and staff model that were datamined in the very first build. There are some venture co items but they have a different name and are for the Cinderbrew dungeon items.

Actually theres a Goblin_outdoor staff and a Goblinraid offhand, I believe, both in the first build.

[Kiivar86]

The Goblinraid directly comes from an icon and staff model that were datamined in the very first build. There are some venture co items but they have a different name and are for the Cinderbrew dungeon items.

Actually theres a Goblin_outdoor staff and a Goblinraid offhand, I believe, both in the first build.

Went back to look and yeah pretty much.

The raid item is the offhand:



Labeled "inv_offhand_1h_goblinraid_d_01

I dunno if the staff is an outdoor one though, as it doesn't say anything about its source in the filename:



inv_staff_2h_goblin_d_01

In that same build there's a staff called inv_staff_2h_arathoroutdoor_d_01 for an example of an outdoor labeling. So who knows?

[Cheezits]

Went back to look and yeah pretty much.

The raid item is the offhand:



Labeled "inv_offhand_1h_goblinraid_d_01

I dunno if the staff is an outdoor one though, as it doesn't say anything about its source in the filename:



inv_staff_2h_goblin_d_01

In that same build there's a staff called inv_staff_2h_arathoroutdoor_d_01 for an example of an outdoor labeling. So who knows?

Yeah, it doesn't say outdoor, but it implies there will be goblin items that drop somewhere outside of an instance (if the "raid" is actually a megadungeon). Or it's a goblin heritage type thing but IDK. The vibe I got was that there will be outside quests and an instance.

[Black Rider]

Yeah, it doesn't say outdoor, but it implies there will be goblin items that drop somewhere outside of an instance (if the "raid" is actually a megadungeon). Or it's a goblin heritage type thing but IDK. The vibe I got was that there will be outside quests and an instance.

Did Mechagon, Tazavesh, Dawn of infinite have "raid" icons?

[Makabreska]

The last mage quest was tragic. The Arathi were so close to having a way home and it was taken away from them. Honestly didn't even think of his gender.

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

[Lady Atia]

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

[Xilurm]

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

They can take them to SW and then send a ship or two to the Empire. After that the Empire can send more ships to Khaz Algar to gather all the survivors.

[Lady Atia]

They can take them to SW and then send a ship or two to the Empire. After that the Empire can send more ships to Khaz Algar to gather all the survivors.

You can't go there yet because of the storms though?

[Raetary]

Don't think you can open portals to somewhere if you weren't actually there. So no, Horde and Alliance shouldn't be able to suddenly open them up to Avaloren.

I don't think that's that big of an issue that someone like Occuleth or the Kirin Tor generally can't solve.

That said, they don't even have to.
The Earthen and Arathi reestablished trade relations and both are working together with us, we can just take them to over to our cities and prepare some of them for a journey back.

[Cheezits]

Not that tragic really. Alliance/Horde reached them, they can help making portals no probs.

Did you play the quest? There was only one portal mage left in the expedition, who can link to the Empire, and he can't now for obvious reasons.

[Raetary]

Did you play the quest? There was only one portal mage left in the expedition, who can link to the Empire, and he can't now for obvious reasons.

His goal was to use the Arathis memories and connection of home to establish a link to the Empire.
And his experiments where a success.

Unless there is a secondary reason why it can't happen, that does not even remotely sound like a Problem you can't give one of the Kirin Tor, Silvermoon or Nightborne Telemancers to solve.

[Sondrelk]

His goal was to use the Arathis memories and connection of home to establish a link to the Empire.
And his experiments where a success.

Unless there is a secondary reason why it can't happen, that does not even remotely sound like a Problem you can't give one of the Kirin Tor, Silvermoon or Nightborne Telemancers to solve.

The Kirin Tor is on shambles, so I don't thing giving them that problem to solve would be as easy as you imagine.

And sure, if you give the problem to Jaina or Oculeth, both of whom are experts in teleportation magic, then you could probably have them reverse engineer the solution. But they would have to start all that research from scratch given all the notes and formulas done by the mage would be gone.

So in short. It's probably possible. But would likely take a good few months at the minimum from people who are generally pretty busy. By the time they have solved it the issues in Hallowfall would likely be over and the expedition would have headed home anyways.

[Makabreska]

Did you play the quest? There was only one portal mage left in the expedition, who can link to the Empire, and he can't now for obvious reasons.

So you are telling me that thousands years old Chief Telemancer Oculeth would not be able to help here? He wouldn't be able to replicate Wenrens technique and use other Arathi imprints to open portal? Alliance/Horde could easily figure it out, if the storywriters would want to make it so. But, of course, Arathi all still have unfinished business here.

In general, Horde/Alliance quickly joining us makes this entire Last Mage conclusion tragic, but pretty much meaningless.

[Lady Atia]

So you are telling me that thousands years old Chief Telemancer Oculeth would not be able to help here? Alliance/Horde could easily help here, if the storywriters would want to make it so. But, of course, Arathi all still have unfinished business here.

In general, Horde/Alliance quickly joining us makes this entire Last Mage conclusion tragic, but pretty much meaningless.

The whole Avaloren setup is for after the WSS anyways. We maybe get a glimpse at them via Midnight again but no way they are wasting an expansion on par with MoP on some shitty patch. Metzen is back and Afrasiabi is long gone, wasting things that should be an expansion was BFA's thing.

[Makabreska]

The whole Avaloren setup is for after the WSS anyways. We maybe get a glimpse at them via Midnight again but no way they are wasting an expansion on par with MoP on some shitty patch. Metzen is back and Afrasiabi is long gone, wasting things that should be an expansion was BFA's thing.

Oh, I'm 100% sure that even if Arathi could pack it up and go back home right here, right now, they would still stay to help us out. So this plot hole does nothing anyway.

[Nymrohd]

Oh, I'm 100% sure that even if Arathi could pack it up and go back home right here, right now, they would still stay to help us out. So this plot hole does nothing anyway.

Pretty much, their mission is to protect the Beledar. They'd want to get word to loved ones and ask for reinforcements but they wouldn't leave (unless the Empire replaced them).

And I think the game suggests that the Emperor did something similar to Rastakhan and used this prophecy to send away any less than enthusiastic members of his army this way. It is not at all unlikely he means for them to fail