Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Foolicious]

Is there any more lore on Ky'veza? Or are you just supposed to piece together that she's an agent of the Ethereum and in Nerub-ar to assassinate someone. I haven't had a chance to do the raid yet.

Nothing that we didn't know already. She's in the palace to be close to ansurek and kill her if necessary. It's not quite clear if she is send by the ethereum or xalatath directly though. She is talking to a void portal when we enter her room, but could be both. Once we beat her, she dissapears and leaves the queen to us.

Are you getting your ass handed to you or is your leech basically null and void (pun intended)?

Because i just ran a delve as shadow to see how the spec fares.
And while fun in gameplay, Shadows self-healing is nonexistent.

Devouring Plague might as well not heal at all and my health bar barely budged while under Vampiric Embrace and popping all my cds.

Shadows self healing is fine(ish). But priest can't kite, has no armor and no def cd's so they have to facetank all the damage. In solo content you often take huge amounts of unavoidable damage other classes like ret can just ignore.

[milkmustache]

we still have the korbyss
we have the goblins
we have the arathi because "dont trust the crown of light"


the team is cooking

Goblins & Undermine
Haranir & Rootlands
Arathi & Beledar
Kobyss & Undersea

are just the obvious options as of yet.

There's still small threads to follow like the Freysworn, Nexus Princess Ky'veza and the Ethereal, the Worldsoul itself, the Black Blood of whatever Old God was struck by Sargeras' sword.

And there's still yet to be a clear and substantial thread to Quel'thalas & the Sunwell (aside from Alleria).

This one is thought out and allows for a ton of options to be pursued or picked up later on. Blizz did great here.

[Scyth]

Are you getting your ass handed to you or is your leech basically null and void (pun intended)?

Because i just ran a delve as shadow to see how the spec fares.
And while fun in gameplay, Shadows self-healing is nonexistent.

Devouring Plague might as well not heal at all and my health bar barely budged while under Vampiric Embrace and popping all my cds.

Hehe yeah doesn't help that self healing is pretty useless and our silence has a long cd.

I'm definitely lower ilvl for some but still I'm fairly sure i wouldn't be struggling so much on my Paladin for example.
Still pretty fun nonetheless but it's just made me hate Priests

[Samin]

Hehe yeah doesn't help that self healing is pretty useless and our silence has a long cd.

I'm definitely lower ilvl for some but still I'm fairly sure i wouldn't be struggling so much on my Paladin for example.
Still pretty fun nonetheless but it's just made me hate Priests

Really no clue how melee classes without heavy self heal do it, when a group of 3 tiny kobolds can do 2 million damage in just the initial melee swing, not even a cast going off yet nothing avoidable about it, and I was "just" running a 7.

[SkyTides]

TBH I would dread doing delves solo on a caster. My Havok DH is doing ok but I sure feel squishy in this expansion compared to previous ones

[Cheezits]

I do think they will have to do something about healing in solo delves as Brann isn't good enough.

[huth]

I do think they will have to do something about healing in solo delves as Brann isn't good enough.

I find his offensive capabilities far more useful. He actually manages to outdamage me by a fair margin when i'm running as tank, and that's without all the health he's just straight-up negating with his execute.

[Nymrohd]

I have to say I think they messed up with delves. I love them as a concept but
a)the difference between solo and group is night and day. Even with a good solo class, delves will be reasonably challenging, especially early on when most people are doing them at lower than suggested ilvl. A group just destroys high tier delves with little effort. We have instanced group content already in the form of dungeons. Making it crazy more efficient to run the content with a group is just a solo tax and that is weird for a game mode whose main difference is that it can be done solo.

b) Delves are far too rewarding. Seriously, why run Mythic 0 or Normal raids over Delves? Four+ guaranteed pieces of Champion loot per week plus Heroic in Vault vs chances at Veteran or Champion loot with Champion at Vault and a far greater time investment. I still think we should be able to get this level of loot from delves but it should not have been this rewarding at season start and it should have been challenging enough that you cannot complete tier 8s at 20-30 ilvls below suggested.

I hope Blizzard will increase the difficulty when doing delves as a group by a decent margin and soon.

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I find his offensive capabilities far more useful. He actually manages to outdamage me by a fair margin when i'm running as tank, and that's without all the health he's just straight-up negating with his execute.

Brann's dps is amazing, especially if you make the smallest effort to kite mobs through his steel traps. His healing is not bad but it is unreliable. And he is fairly tanky so you can just drop aggro on him as needed. I think Rage-filled idol should just be much stronger in output and healing required so healers can just play solo that way.

[Kiivar86]

TBH I would dread doing delves solo on a caster. My Havok DH is doing ok but I sure feel squishy in this expansion compared to previous ones

I've not gone too high yet but I just take my time pulling and using CC. It isn't too bad so far, so long as I'm careful. Sometimes can get overwhelming though (i.e. the nerubian swarming in that one delve in western Dorn with the lamplighter).

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Anyone else annoyed about Waxface or whatever his name this week at rank 8 in waterworks, that he has this aoe fire ability that doesn't have any radius at all? Doing this solo on non tank feels almost impossible, because you can't run anywhere from this ability, even when brann has aggro..

+ Brann throws potions to hazardous area with big damage.

I feel like there is need for a big balancing patch for delves, especially seeing groups just obliterating a hard boss like waxface within seconds but you head butting it for a long time in your solo tries on certain classes/specs.

[Nymrohd]

Anyone annoyed about Waxface or whatever his name this week at rank 8 in waterworks, that he has this aoe fire ability that doesn't have any radius at all? Doing this solo on non tank feels almost impossible, because you can't run anywhere from this ability, even when brann has aggro..

Are you range? Can you drop aggro? If you can, drop aggro on Brann and let him tank in healer spec. If you are at full health you can actually survive Burn Away. Then once it is over, pick up Brann's potions and keep dpsing. Not sure if pets can tank him for those classes, his big damage is AoE so they should be able to handle it.
That said, Waxface is indeed overtuned like crazy for solo. I did take him down as a tank and it was still a challenge.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Are you range? Can you drop aggro? If you can, drop aggro on Brann and let him tank in healer spec. If you are at full health you can actually survive Burn Away. Then once it is over, pick up Brann's potions and keep dpsing. Not sure if pets can tank him for those classes, his big damage is AoE so they should be able to handle it.
That said, Waxface is indeed overtuned like crazy for solo.

Im on arms warrior and i edited my post but yeah brann is dropping his potions to poison area that Waxface drops, so i can't even pick up them, they turn invisible after poison puddle goes away.. I will just say, i wasn't that triggered by something in wow since forever when i was trying to headbutt this boss but didn't in the end.

Did all 3 other delves on rank 8 today with no problems, but stuff like that stings so hard..

I like delves overall, but man does it need a good second round check up by devs.

[Nymrohd]

Im on arms warrior and i edited my post but yeah brann is dropping his potions to poison area that Waxface drops, so i can't even pick up them, they turn invisible after poison puddle goes away.. I will just say, i wasn't that triggered by something in wow since forever when i was trying to headbutt this boss but didn't in the end.

Did all 3 other delves on rank 8 today with no problems, but stuff like that stings so hard..

I like delves overall, but man does it need a good second round check up by devs.

Yesterday I died to Sanctum and could not play that character for several hours because of the release bug

[OCoyne]

we still have the korbyss
we have the goblins
we have the arathi because "dont trust the crown of light"


the team is cooking

I'm glad you've noticed the Arathi don't feel comfortable intergrating themselves into normal society. There's 100% a turn from a major character there, whether it's General Steelstrike or Faerin, or both, there's a one happening.

I wouldn't see the Korbyss as the enemy however, their radiant memory in Hallowfall(?) shows them fighting a naga tribe called the Zan'jir last seen in Queen Azshara's palace or the Nazjatar zone in general. That definitely wasn't put there by accident or coincidence

If I had to take a educated guess where the main base is at, if you enter the Broken Shore for the first time as a Shadow Priest with the weapon equipped she makes note of a big war which happened, a city named K'Tanth'. I imagine it got obliterated and its now underwater.

Coincidentally there's a rare spawn in Thaldrazus which is an Aqir with the title Maw of K'Tanth so it's not a piece of side-lore which has been shelved by the devs. Haven't got a clue which patch they'll do it but they'll definitely visit the Korbyss' beef with the Naga

[milkmustache]

If I had to take a educated guess where the main base is at, if you enter the Broken Shore for the first time as a Shadow Priest with the weapon equipped she makes note of a big war which happened, a city named K'Tanth'. I imagine it got obliterated and its now underwater.

While K'Tanth has been treaded in these forums, I don't think that it has any connection to the Kobyss. The implications of K'Tanth seem to be a bit larger as it's specifically referenced as a place of power that drew Aegwynn, the elves, trolls and Old Gods. Perhaps some font of power similar to the various wells, perhaps a font of void power.

But the Kobyss being a flesh cursed old god spawn is an interesting idea. I like the notion of them being more than just beefy Murlocs, there's obviously something foul with them and their necormatic habits, so they're bound to be revisted when we see Azshara and the Naga again (perhaps in Midnight).

[OCoyne]

While K'Tanth has been treaded in these forums, I don't think that it has any connection to the Kobyss. The implications of K'Tanth seem to be a bit larger as it's specifically referenced as a place of power that drew Aegwynn, the elves, trolls and Old Gods. Perhaps some font of power similar to the various wells, perhaps a font of void power.

But the Kobyss being a flesh cursed old god spawn is an interesting idea. I like the notion of them being more than just beefy Murlocs, there's obviously something foul with them and their necormatic habits, so they're bound to be revisted when we see Azshara and the Naga again (perhaps in Midnight).

I honestly don't have a clue what "K'Tanth" is. It could be referring to the Temple of Elune inside the Tomb of Sargeras which is concidentally underwater but there's been further references to this place to suggest this "K'Tanth" is still in the story.

All these class/race specific dialogues which keep cropping up has got me rolling alts to see if there's any unique interactions - I found one as Undead, the Weavers are really anxious talking to you (War of the Spider reference)

I've got 50+ characters but 1 priest for any Xala'tath interactions and literally 0 Druids so someone's gonna have to find any unique Druid interactions for me, I hate that class so much.

[Thomir]

Rereading Chronicles, it's so damn tragic what they've done to the Titans. I'm reminded why I liked them so much. And Danuser's retcon, that Chronicles is biased and written from the Titan's perspective, is so poorly thought out, like his realm of Death, and his cosmology chart. No in-universe author should have the knowledge written in these books.

[Cheezits]

I honestly don't have a clue what "K'Tanth" is. It could be referring to the Temple of Elune inside the Tomb of Sargeras which is concidentally underwater but there's been further references to this place to suggest this "K'Tanth" is still in the story.

If it exists in lore, and hasn't been used, it will be found by devs and used in a future expansion. I'm pretty sure one of the reasons Xal even is a villain in this expansion is because of the Dark Iron/Skardyn being tied to her through Legion lorebooks.

[OCoyne]

Getting proper Torghast vibes with Delves mind. Healer Brann is actually ass, he's off doing his own thing. DPS Brann is actually alright providing he's going after the correct target. But some classes like are Priest and Rogues are at such a disadvantage.

Only Shadow gets an interrupt and you need to put a talent point into it to reduce it to 30 secs cd.
Rogues has all sorts wrong with it ranging from a hero tree Capstone requiring vanish so it's resetting mobs, shit self healing.

Actual shitshow. After the initial Torghast mess you'd think they'd thoroughly test this but apparently not.

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If it exists in lore, and hasn't been used, it will be found by devs and used in a future expansion. I'm pretty sure one of the reasons Xal even is a villain in this expansion is because of the Dark Iron/Skardyn being tied to her through Legion lorebooks.

Not really, alot of things in SL didn't happen. Lorthraxion and the book found in Revendreth which says he's a double agent springs to mind. How long am I supposed to wait or did he change his mind?

Major storylines are usually written 3-4 years in advance, forgetting that part pretty much summarised the entire the expansion and how it was wrote.

[Lady Atia]

Hahahaha so they destroyed totally good group content (delves pre-changes) thanks to solo mole people?

Wow.

Just wow.

So glad that content is dead for me next week.