Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

Housing in WoW should be like Wildstars housing imo

[Golden Yak]

Wildstar housing was so damn good, if you didn't play it you don't even know. You ain't know. You can't.

[Joshuaj]

Wildstar housing was so damn good, if you didn't play it you don't even know. You ain't know. You can't.

Considering I played Wildstar over WoD back in the day...

I ain't nothing BUT knowing.

[Golden Yak]

I miss it.

Shine on, you crazy space diamond.

[Joshuaj]

Warcraft should have housing like Wildstars, and I'm convinced they could easily make it work.

Heck, I'd also love to see multiple size options for houses as well. So like, a small, regular house like the one in the teaser would be easily affordable to every player, but a bigger house with more room potential (like easy kitchen or bathroom options, etc) would cost quite a bit more, and second or third story house would cost even more than that.

However, if you buy said certain house sizes, all racial customization options for said size (Both interior and exterior) become instantly accessible to you as well

Meaning, as long as you have the house building size bought, you can customize and live in a 2 story Tauren Hut/House, a 2 story Orc Hut or House, a 2 story Night Elven house, or something like that.

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Ngl, I can easily see Blizzard making all of this happen, especially since they've seemingly been working on this for years now.

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Blizzard should also give players the option to add garages, use their house as a farm, maybe create cosmetic or literal defense systems for your house, create a windmill, etc.

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Yes, some of these I took from Wildstar. Good. The more influence, the better!

[KainneAbsolute]

I wonder if we are getting housing in Midnight because we are going to get exiled and need to populate a new area.

[Auxis]

Crazy thought: the 20 year "recap" trailer we got shows all of the big bads/endings of each expansion (excluding KJ. It did show Illidan). Everyone except the ending of BFA. They showed us fighting Zovaal of all people despite the playerbase clowning on him constantly - so they still recognise him as the end boss of SL. But for BFA we just got a shot of a paladin yeeting a shield at some trolls... why not show us killing N'zoth.... unless we didn't kill him? We fought him in Nyalotha, the entire patch was called 'Visions of N'zoth', regardless of how many times the devs tell us the OG's are dead-dead, we see evidence that they don't abide to our concept of death - they remain, linger.

And we are getting an updated set of Visions on the roadmap...

[Doffen]

Litttttle bit worried that 11.2 doesn't specify a new zone, I can't imagine a major patch without one and I can't see this expansion ending on undermine as the final zone. If rootlands is cancelled, it lessens our chances at Harronir, but maybe they've realised putting Allied races that are neutral with no shown faction identity is a mistake in the long run.

Its obviously because of:

1. Spoilers
Or
2. Its an excisting zone with changes.

Not every end patch got a brand new zone.

[Nymrohd]

Not every end patch got a brand new zone.

Every one did except for Vanilla, Wrath and Cata no? So certainly every recent one. BfA got two heavily reworked zones which would be the only other option but it still got something (I'd call them new, heck BfA Uldum is by far the better Uldum).

[Lady Atia]

They said this is the fastest ground mount. Coupled with those special mechanics they really need to have huge and long roads otherwise it will feel clunky.

Honestly, not sure what to think about that. I'm not a huge fan of the car and it will feel weird to be limited to one mount again (basically the dragonflight problem but worse), and it seems like we may not get flying in Undermine for a while (if at all???).

The only good that may be coming from this are new expanded, customizable racial ground mounts for Midnight, but again, it will feel super clunky to once again limit skyriding from the start just to push these ground mounts. Alteast with GW you had the ground mounts first and than the flying ones later, which felt a lot better than what Blizzard did there tbh.

[allegrian]

Crazy thought: the 20 year "recap" trailer we got shows all of the big bads/endings of each expansion (excluding KJ. It did show Illidan). Everyone except the ending of BFA. They showed us fighting Zovaal of all people despite the playerbase clowning on him constantly - so they still recognise him as the end boss of SL. But for BFA we just got a shot of a paladin yeeting a shield at some trolls... why not show us killing N'zoth.... unless we didn't kill him? We fought him in Nyalotha, the entire patch was called 'Visions of N'zoth', regardless of how many times the devs tell us the OG's are dead-dead, we see evidence that they don't abide to our concept of death - they remain, linger.

And we are getting an updated set of Visions on the roadmap...

BFA was sold as Alliance vs Horde expansion and most people remember it for that (plus KT + Zandalar). Nzoth felt like an undeserved final boss from a side-story that should have been its own expansion. So it's understandable that what they show from BFA is a human Paladin (classic alliance rep) vs some zanadalari trolls from the most iconic raid from BFA, battle from dazaralor, which was the only raid to keep the faction war theme.

[Zers Editor]

I wonder if Horrific Visions returning means Wrathion coming back as well.

[OCoyne]

Blizzard definitely has the tech to make all of this happen. Heck, I'd love to see them do Casino mini games like BlackJack or Poker or slots (But with WoW instead), however you can only do limited games (like 3 rounds a game per day or so, and with limited bet options I.E max bet being 50 gold a game, to avoid gambling addictions), and you need an invitation for these Casinos (So like, say these things are available for the non-raid version of the Galagio, you'd need to earn an invitation by your respective cartel, or steal someone else's invitation in order to get it). Doing bets for race courses would also be cool (but it'd have to work like the casino stuff).

Yes let's put gambling in a 13+ age rated game and putting the entire franchise at the mercy of Western Europe's increasingly strict online gambling laws which made Blizzard, EA and Epic re-do how their lootbox drop works.

I wonder what could go wrong here. Insanely stupid idea.

[huth]

Yes let's put gambling in a 13+ age rated game and putting the entire franchise at the mercy of Western Europe's increasingly strict online gambling laws which made Blizzard, EA and Epic re-do how their lootbox drop works.

I wonder what could go wrong here. Insanely stupid idea.

There's a very simple solution to that: Have it be a self-contained economy. All bets can only be in casino tokens, which cannot be used for anything else than the casino and cannot be traded for gold.

[BaumanKing]

I wonder if Horrific Visions returning means Wrathion coming back as well.

Why would he? Alleria is now an expert on the Void.

[MauroDiogo]

Crazy thought: the 20 year "recap" trailer we got shows all of the big bads/endings of each expansion (excluding KJ. It did show Illidan). Everyone except the ending of BFA. They showed us fighting Zovaal of all people despite the playerbase clowning on him constantly - so they still recognise him as the end boss of SL. But for BFA we just got a shot of a paladin yeeting a shield at some trolls... why not show us killing N'zoth.... unless we didn't kill him? We fought him in Nyalotha, the entire patch was called 'Visions of N'zoth', regardless of how many times the devs tell us the OG's are dead-dead, we see evidence that they don't abide to our concept of death - they remain, linger.

And we are getting an updated set of Visions on the roadmap...

I've mentioned it before but I have the feeling we are not yet done with N'zoth or something big very closely related to N'zoth. All threads are pointing to it.

We have the beginning of more sea/water-themes, which tends to be N'zoth's domain. We have Xal'atath, which has a direct link to N'zoth in the story and cutscenes we have seen playing out in-game.
We know Queen Azshara is making a return in Midnight, which also has a direct link to N'zoth and was rescued by something/someone at the end of the fight. Midnight will most likely feature even more of those aquatic themes, with once again, making the perfect time for N'zoth to show up.

The new Siren Isle has strong ties to Kul Tirans and other BFA themes (yes, I know it's a leftover from BFA to begin with), which again, is an expansion where we dealt with N'zoth and his influence.

Not to mention all the corrupted creatures around the waters in Hallowfall, the talking void fish, the giant flying behemoth (which tend to be linked to Old Gods), a lot of the Flora corrupted and transformed by the Black Blood in Azj-Kahet looks suspiciously a lot like N'zoth. The tall cone shape, his teething maw at the top of his "head", the bright yellow/orange glow coming out of it.

And I pointed out previously too how in one of the cinematics we see a Nerubian of some sort performing some alchemy in front of a cut off Old God tentacle. When looking at all the Old Gods (ones we have seen so far anyway), it more closely matches N'zoth's tentacles due to the fangs on the tentacles but more importantly, all the red postules/eyes all over it. Which is not seen in any other Old God (so far).

And then we have Aberrus - Which has a LOT of Old Goid and void themes. It could very well just be void-centric and nothing to do with Old Gods but there's a nifty little portal that leads to the Void that has been left unexplored and we don't know the purpose of.

So when you link all of that information, the information given to us about Midnight and it's actual name (implying night time, dark skies) and add to it the Il'gynoth whispers and the "Song of the Depths" book. It's easy to assume that we will be dealing with Azshara and triggering her third death, which will bring about the wakening and have us deal with the Old Gods once more. All of this, most likely backed by either the Twilight Hammer proper or a splinter faction, with void/Old God transformed Dragons. We have Neltharion's experimental lab (experiments on dragons) with it's portal to the Void, we have Iridikron (dragon) also in the Void now and this section of the Song of the Depths: "Only then shall our Queen return to reign over sea and sky and earth."
Nagas are great swimmers but can't fly. Nor are they known to rule over Earth (Iridikron's speciality). So Dragons backing her up would make sense. Maybe corrupted by N'zoth or his essence in the same way Azshara and other creatures were. And Neltharion, to some extent, since he was driven mad by Old Gods but never explicitly told which Old Gods.

[Dracullus]

Read some wowhead and I'm convinced end of year green on Roadmap is most likely Legion Remix. Or maybe WoD and Legion together? They both have strong Fel theme. Another hint is that at same time game will rererelease TBC.

Strange they think that there is no season 4, if season 3 is July/August and Midnight doesn't release this year, bonus season is cheap way to give something for especially PVP and M+ people. So unless Midnight is in January (personally I think it's March), I expect S4 early 2026.

That unknown symbol after patch 11.2.7 could mean few things:
a) it's housing early release
b) it's Legion Remix or something similar that rehash Legion content
c) it's completely new experimental thing like Plunderstom

Imo it will be some proto housing. Maybe that's why they announced it now, they can now start adding assets in PTRs without risk of spoiling it.

I wonder if Horrific Visions returning means Wrathion coming back as well.

I think they will just relaunch OG visions together with BfA timewalking. Remains to be seen if it will be part of rotation or evergreen like Legion Mage Tower.

[Nymrohd]

Imo it will be some proto housing. Maybe that's why they announced it now, they can now start adding assets in PTRs without risk of spoiling it.

I expect Housing would be evergreen and they will make it available early, possibly an early access bonus for Midnight preorders

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Uldaz you mean?

Possibly. Uldaz could also be the name of the final raid. Idk tho

Yes, Uldaz. It's what I said in my post you quoted.

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Wait.. Thrall didn't know that Gey'arah was the daughter of Durotan? They've known each other for years, and this has never been brought up in conversation?

Yeah, I find this odd. They've had multiple interactions since BfA.

[Khaza-R]

Crazy thought: the 20 year "recap" trailer we got shows all of the big bads/endings of each expansion (excluding KJ. It did show Illidan). Everyone except the ending of BFA. They showed us fighting Zovaal of all people despite the playerbase clowning on him constantly - so they still recognise him as the end boss of SL. But for BFA we just got a shot of a paladin yeeting a shield at some trolls... why not show us killing N'zoth.... unless we didn't kill him? We fought him in Nyalotha, the entire patch was called 'Visions of N'zoth', regardless of how many times the devs tell us the OG's are dead-dead, we see evidence that they don't abide to our concept of death - they remain, linger.

And we are getting an updated set of Visions on the roadmap...

The N'zoth story literally makes no sense unless he wanted to be in the dagger for some reason. I am sure he will pop up at some point. And with the unseeming stuff, its possible the other Old Gods will as well

Serious question for people excited for the cars in Undermine: do you feel this fits an online fantasy world like WoW, or is there a line that they could cross for you where something like this would start to ruin the immersion?

Goblins had podracers in vanilla and D.R.I.V.E. is clearly a throwback to the goblin starting zone when you had a car to pick up your crew and travel around in.

I tend to be more on the fantasy purist side of the spectrum but I think goblin stuff is totally fine as long as its self-contained. And since its just an Undermine feature, there's really no worries for any of it.