Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Eldryth]

What evidence is there for Legion Remix? I'm genuinely asking.

The timeline on the roadmap turning Fel-green at the end was the main hint.

Which wasn't complete proof by itself, but then Ion was asked about Legion Remix directly in an interview and responded by teasing us about the timeline color (last question here).

[Scyth]

I think I might die from excitement if we get Legion Remix leading into Midnight, my weak heart won't be able to take it all

Not sure they will enable the Mage Tower though, given MoP Remix didn't have the CM sets. Would be fun if they made it scale with power, making it challenging and awarding new variations of the artifact weapons though.

[Joshuaj]

I noticed something, one of the potential bosses in the new 11.1 raid (The giant tank thingy) is shown doing donuts...
Can we maybe be able to do that with our cars?

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Undermine should have a cinema! Should it play movies for players? Nah. I just want one to be there cause it'd look cool lol.

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Goblin Movie Theater >>>

[Joszef Kiprich]

It should be called the Pandarian Movie Theater then.

[Enrif]

I noticed something, one of the potential bosses in the new 11.1 raid (The giant tank thingy) is shown doing donuts...
Can we maybe be able to do that with our cars?

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Undermine should have a cinema! Should it play movies for players? Nah. I just want one to be there cause it'd look cool lol.

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Goblin Movie Theater >>>

What i noticed is that Gallywix machine has pauldrons, there is a gallywix head machine and a tank. I see a Voltron fight like the Mimiron one, where Gallywix bulids a voltron.

[Makabreska]

What i noticed is that Gallywix machine has pauldrons, there is a gallywix head machine and a tank. I see a Voltron fight like the Mimiron one, where Gallywix bulids a voltron.

I do wonder if Gallywix will fight us purely with tech or will he receive Void power up at some point.

[micwini]

I do wonder if Gallywix will fight us purely with tech or will he receive Void power up at some point.

Phase 3 dreadlord

[Makabreska]

Phase 3 dreadlord

I saw this "theory" floating around and I just assumed peeps were trolling, considering how badly "Dreadlord was X character" was received in SL.

[Sondrelk]

Phase 3 dreadlord

Probably won't happen. But imagine if he makes a Voltron style mech by the end, and the mech is styled like a Dreadlord.

[Lady Atia]

I agree in some senses. They did just do MoP Remix preceding MoP Classic, and a big argument for it not being invalid is the class design and gameplay that the Classic experience delivers. I could see this being the same for TBC.

But I mostly agree. I don't think TBC Remix provides... enough. They'd need to add in a lot more.

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I.. really appreciate the way they're unafraid to change things up lately. I think 2 new dungeons serves the purpose of TWW better than a megadungeon would, and I'm glad they opted for this rather than pushing to make it work.

TBC remix could give us another chance at removed stuff like Hand of Adal and the Warbear though, if done right.

One of the biggest complaints about MoP remix was the missing Challenge Modes and their rewards, so I have the feeling these will be done in season 2 once MoP comes back again down the line aswell. Plunderstorm also got changes based on feedback, and no way they are bringing back MoP remix 1:1 like it was the first time without giving people another reason to do it again.

[Auxis]

I hope that gorilla boss in Liberation of Undermine is a Beast AND an enemy. Because I would tame it in a heartbeat once it becomes Legacy.

[Joshuaj]

Phase 3 dreadlord

I get people want Gallywix to possibly be Detheroc...but like...

Why can't Gallywix just be a shit person?

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I hope that gorilla boss in Liberation of Undermine is a Beast AND an enemy. Because I would tame it in a heartbeat once it becomes Legacy.

Probably meant to start off with the Gorilla and T-Rex fighting, but we show up and they try to double team us.

However, it could also be a battle between betting cartels, and our goblin cartels are betting on the Gorilla to win, hence us having to help it against the T-Rex.

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What i noticed is that Gallywix machine has pauldrons, there is a gallywix head machine and a tank. I see a Voltron fight like the Mimiron one, where Gallywix bulids a voltron.

This would be me if such a thing occurs

[Lady Atia]

I get people want Gallywix to possibly be Detheroc...but like...

Why can't Gallywix just be a shit person?

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Probably meant to start off with the Gorilla and T-Rex fighting, but we show up and they try to double team us.

However, it could also be a battle between betting cartels, and our goblin cartels are betting on the Gorilla to win, hence us having to help it against the T-Rex.

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This would be me if such a thing occurs

(The real) Gallywix can be a shitty person and still be a dreadlord. Even if he would be Detheroc, we wouldn't know the when. (Although we saw him in Tazavesh)

Anyways, I think it would be a dope mythic only phase but modern Blizzard wouldn't do that. On the other hand, why should an agent of the Jailer help the Void in claiming Azeroth?

[Makabreska]

(The real) Gallywix can be a shitty person and still be a dreadlord. Even if he would be Detheroc, we wouldn't know the when. (Although we saw him in Tazavesh)

Anyways, I think it would be a dope mythic only phase but modern Blizzard wouldn't do that. On the other hand, why should an agent of the Jailer help the Void in claiming Azeroth?

Again, why peeps are seriously wanting him to be a Dreadlord for realz? Like, did we forget the reception of Dreadlords reveal in SL and it's general "Jailer was behind everything"? Like, wtf guys, are you actually enjoying this type of plot twists that were absolutely lambasted only 3y ago?

Gallywix had always encompassed all the worst traits of goblin race with zero redeeming qualities, no impersonation here was ever needed.

[Joshuaj]

(The real) Gallywix can be a shitty person and still be a dreadlord. Even if he would be Detheroc, we wouldn't know the when. (Although we saw him in Tazavesh)

Anyways, I think it would be a dope mythic only phase but modern Blizzard wouldn't do that. On the other hand, why should an agent of the Jailer help the Void in claiming Azeroth?

Modern Blizzard could definitely do that lol, no reason why they wouldn't.

Also, IF Gallywix is a dreadlord, it is possible that some of the Dreadlords went to back-up plans once Zovaal fell (as prior to that, his defeat was argued by them as "impossible").

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But yeah, I don't want him to be a Dreadlord. There's something very real about a shitty, greedy pig in power.

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Again, why peeps are seriously wanting him to be a Dreadlord for realz? Like, did we forget the reception of Dreadlords reveal in SL and it's general "Jailer was behind everything"? Like, wtf guys, are you actually enjoying this type of plot twists that were absolutely lambasted only 3y ago?

Gallywix had always encompassed all the worst traits of goblin race with zero redeeming qualities, no impersonation here was ever needed.

The Jailer wasn't behind nearly as much as people think, or at least not on his lonesome.

Regardless of influence, Gallywix should just be an asshole.

[Mekkle]

it could also be TBC remix, OR BOTH!!

[Nymrohd]

Again, why peeps are seriously wanting him to be a Dreadlord for realz? Like, did we forget the reception of Dreadlords reveal in SL and it's general "Jailer was behind everything"? Like, wtf guys, are you actually enjoying this type of plot twists that were absolutely lambasted only 3y ago?

Gallywix had always encompassed all the worst traits of goblin race with zero redeeming qualities, no impersonation here was ever needed.

Being behind everything is quite dissimilar to being behind one thing.

[Dracullus]

it could also be TBC remix, OR BOTH!!

Just watch last Ion interview people, it's clear as day that it's Legion Remix. And you kinda right, it's both, cause TBC Classic release at same time.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The setting is not "way past mere medieval fantasy". The setting occupies typical fantasy spread from prehistoric to late age of exploration, with occasional self-contained high tech elements and cultures beyond.

There are firearms in D&D, but it would still be really dumb if BG3 were a game where everyone in random bandit camps, druid groves and ancient cursed woods just walked around waving revolvers in the air. There are volcanoes in LotR, but that doesn't make it a good idea to add volcanoes to the Shire, and Rohan, and Rivendell, and Lothlorien.

There do not need to be proper roads and houses with hotrod garages in Eversong Woods, Ashenvale or Elwynn forest, just like there doesn't need to be a gnomish airstrip launching planes in every Alliance zone or a dumb giant goblin canon sticking out of every Horde base, and just like there doesn't need to be Kul Tiran anchor decorations on every building in Orgrimmar. They are various settings for a reason, because they have their own distinct visual identities, developed roads, cars and garages are incongruent with the majority of the zones in the game.

Aye, this is a pretty good summary. I think an important thing to keep in mind is that in a setting like Azeroth — which is driven more by aesthetics than logistically-sensible worldbuilding — long-term preservation of the setting's identity is critical. This demands maximum insulation of the high-technology elements to the environments in which they belong, as well as the restriction of those high-technology elements to things which fit the spirit of the setting as opposed to modern amenities, even if the specific categories of advanced military technology (e.g. siege engines, gyrocopters) that fit the setting should reasonably coexist with civilian technology of a similar nature or with military technology that is more intuitively incompatible with the setting (i.e. the infragreen cloaking tech in WotLK, which did even worse and became a stand-in for infrared tech in SL because Blizzard — and I, when I was first writing this post, — forgot what it originally did).

Goblins are an interesting exception to the modern amenities rule because of how these things figure into their fantasy. At the same time, what boosts their own identity inherently diminishes everybody else's. Civilian (as opposed to most forms of military) goblin technology circa Cataclysm needs to be used sparingly and chiefly in association with goblins, else it goes out of control and begins a descent of the setting into an urban fantasy one. A hot rod is something that's tolerable — even if things more explicitly mired in the setting, like trikes or (better yet) spider tanks would be much better and more suitable outside their homelands — only insofar as it never leaves Kezan.

Another problem is occasional lack of restraint. Not only does lack of restraint cause a technology to diminish the fantasy, it also causes it to lose its own sense of impressiveness. A good example is with the gunships in WotLK. When there were only four of them — two in Isle of Conquest, two in Icecrown — they were impressive and didn't diminish the fantasy. When they began to proliferate out of control and become commonplace elements of the setting, they became a detriment to the fantasy and eventually unimpressive set pieces without any weight.

[huth]

Again, why peeps are seriously wanting him to be a Dreadlord for realz? Like, did we forget the reception of Dreadlords reveal in SL and it's general "Jailer was behind everything"? Like, wtf guys, are you actually enjoying this type of plot twists that were absolutely lambasted only 3y ago?

Gallywix had always encompassed all the worst traits of goblin race with zero redeeming qualities, no impersonation here was ever needed.

I think the other way around would be funnier. A Dreadlord tried, but Gallywix turned the tables on it and now it's stuck as his lackey.