Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Joshuaj]

I bet the big conspiracy reveal will be that the titans want to just siphon the Prime Worldsoul's power/energy to fuel their own takeover of the universe. That's why they want to keep it asleep.

Or, worse...

...they need the power of the Prime Wordsoul, to drain it dry and destroy Azeroth, in order to fight off WHAT IS TO COME...

Idk if they know about the 7th, but the first one is likely true. The First Ones probably gave the Titans a specific task, and the Titans lost sight of it after a bit due to their nature.

[Khaza-R]

I bet the big conspiracy reveal will be that the titans want to just siphon the Prime Worldsoul's power/energy to fuel their own takeover of the universe. That's why they want to keep it asleep.

Or, worse...

...they need the power of the Prime Wordsoul, to drain it dry and destroy Azeroth, in order to fight off WHAT IS TO COME...

Could be not even all the titans are complicit in it. Or they themselves believe a lie when really one of them has ulterior motives.

[Joshuaj]

This makes sense to show in game but this was pretty obviously the plot to anyone who knows the story when metzen said "Titan conspiracy". Oh well!

Tbf here, SL and DF kinda made it clear that A. The Titans were suspect as fuck. And B. Azeroth and the Worldsouls have more going on to them than we know.

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Could be not even all the titans are complicit in it. Or they themselves believe a lie when really one of them has ulterior motives.

It is possible Aman'thul lost sight of things and is trying to claim dominance over the universe using the Worldsoul, all while the rest of the Pantheon still believe they're trying to care for it and see it mature, hence why the other Titans have connections with different powers, both elemental and cosmic (With Sargeras being the only one with a combination that wasn't intended, as he went against the other Titans).

[Alanar]

Or, worse...

...they need the power of the Prime Wordsoul, to drain it dry and destroy Azeroth, in order to fight off WHAT IS TO COME...

Ye, calling this. The never ending.. lines of what is next or stop the coming... or don't let him get to...
So fucking stupid.

[Joshuaj]

Lmaooo so my theory that the Titans just straight up lied to mortals regarding their Worldsoul origin is likely true afterall...

And ngl, my theory on the worldsouls being intended as the embodiment and culmination of the cosmos entire might also prove true haha.

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Ye, calling this. The never ending.. lines of what is next or stop the coming... or don't let him get to...
So fucking stupid.

Dunno why y'all are so against the idea of the 7th force.

It's likely just Warcraft's version of Yog-Sothoth. That's really not anything too out of the loop, knowing Blizzard's track record regarding inspirations and whatnot.

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It would be cool if Sargeras's death leads to a bunch of demon cages unlocking.

Was more-so thinking that the lack of a Burning Legion, and the weakening of the Titans VIA Iridikron's stuff in TLT (most likely) would result in the Disorder Pantheon being unleashed, which would lead to a whole Anarchy Saga.

[Xilurm]

Why are people surprised? Did you guys forget about Alganon, how they were going to wipe us out? How he said that they've done that to countless worlds already? This isn't any different.

[Enrif]

Compared to other weeks, this week doesn't has any new groundbreaking news in it. At most that the earthen could still become thraegar if they stop their archiving routine, and that the keepers might have been affected by the world soul too.

Well, the last part, that the keepers might have been effected by the world soul, might be a bigger point in the future.
With TLT we will likely see all of the Ulduar Keepers again, plus Odyn and Tyr. And perhaps Archaedas, Brinthe ask why he has not shown up yet, so we might visit Uldaman once more for TWW?

And then we might see that the Ulduar Keeper are affected by the World Soul, as they were still bound on Azeroth, while Odyn is unaffected as he was contained in the Halls of Valor.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I do like the idea of the earthen going “does this unit have a soul” and the titans just telling them no and boxing there memory’s so they stop asking.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Evil Titan lore is such a snoozefest. Good fiction has clear heroes and villains, so it's easy to take sides and feel good about it.

Right now, all we're being taught is that we were idiots all along for being the Titans' unsuspecting agents of evil.

This isn’t even really evil Titan lore it’s them staying lawful natural and keeping there robots from malfunctioning.

[Xilurm]

The Earthen and all the other constructs are Titan creations. Azeroth "corrupted" them by changing them. She messed with their souls, for her own benefit. However, because we're the "corrupted" we see this as a gift, and we are on Azeroth's side and see the Titans as the bad guys.

Speaking of which, Azeroth is light aspected. Or at least that is her natural state. The way the Beledar shifts to the void is reminiscent of a Naaru crystal. Azeroth can probably turn void entirely, same way as a Naaru can become a Dark Naaru. So probably a Dark Worldsoul?

"Light" in the WoW universe seems to be "free will". That is exactly why people can use it for whatever they want as long as they believe they are in the right, like the Scarlets or the Lightbound.

I hope people realize that Light itself, unlike the Void, or Fel or Death, will never be evil. We will never see it as the enemy. We will see enemies wielding it, but Light will always be pure just for the fact that Azeroth herself is Light, which in turn makes us Light. We are all very much Light aspected because of Azeroth, but not to the extent of the Lightforged or the Lightbound who let it seep into their very souls.

[Foolicious]

Archaedas is merely disabled in Uldaman, according to Exploring Azeroth: The Eastern Kingdoms.

Ah. I didn't know that. I guess its not common knowledge in the ingame world or else dagran would have mentioned it. Thankfully we have some experience how to reboot a keeper and we have (presumeably) an archive full of memories of one. I smell a storyline.

[Joshuaj]

The Earthen and all the other constructs are Titan creations. Azeroth "corrupted" them by changing them. She messed with their souls, for her own benefit. However, because we're the "corrupted" we see this as a gift, and we are on Azeroth's side and see the Titans as the bad guys.

Speaking of which, Azeroth is light aspected. Or at least that is her natural state. The way the Beledar shifts to the void is reminiscent of a Naaru crystal. Azeroth can probably turn void entirely, same way as a Naaru can become a Dark Naaru. So probably a Dark Worldsoul?

"Light" in the WoW universe seems to be "free will". That is exactly why people can use it for whatever they want as long as they believe they are in the right, like the Scarlets or the Lightbound.

I hope people realize that Light itself, unlike the Void, or Fel or Death, will never be evil. We will never see it as the enemy. We will see enemies wielding it, but Light will always be pure just for the fact that Azeroth herself is Light, which in turn makes us Light. We are all very much Light aspected because of Azeroth, but not to the extent of the Lightforged or the Lightbound who let it seep into their very souls.

The Light? Free Will? Hahahahaha.

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Also, Death isn't evil. Zovaal was, but he's not the entire influence.

[Timester]

Evil Titan lore is such a snoozefest. Good fiction has clear heroes and villains, so it's easy to take sides and feel good about it.

Right now, all we're being taught is that we were idiots all along for being the Titans' unsuspecting agents of evil.

Uh, Metzen has been planting this for years, especially with Ulduar.

Titans are neutral and always have been. They are Cosmic forces. The idea of "Good and Evil" is biblical.

After all, just like the Greek and Nordic Pantheons from where Metzen took his ideas to write the Warcraft III manual.


Anyway, Sylvanas was right, the world of Azeroth is an artificial prison, created by the Titans to turn the Worldsoul to their side.

[Raetary]

Damn, what a way to have your entire understanding of the world get flipped onto its head.
Poor Earthen.

It sounds like we are gonna get Archaedas back sooner than later though.

[Timester]

"Light" in the WoW universe seems to be "free will". That is exactly why people can use it for whatever they want as long as they believe they are in the right, like the Scarlets or the Lightbound.

Amazing how you managed to proclaim "free will" and the two most anti-"free will" organizations in all WoW lore in one single sentence.


Also, Sargeras' invasions now have a new meaning.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Damn, what a way to have your entire understanding of the world get flipped onto its head.
Poor Earthen.

It sounds like we are gonna get Archaedas back sooner than later though.

If you think about it... all of the important Keepers are "alive" now.

Uh oh.

Miss you, Highkeeper Ra.

[Raetary]

Amazing how you managed to proclaim "free will" and the two most anti-"free will" organizations in all WoW lore in one single sentence.

What do you mean?

Vicious, blind zeal and forceful religious conversion is the epitome of freedom! /s

[Timester]

If you think about it... all of the Keepers are technically alive and well now.

Uh oh.

And we just brought back Tyr. All of them, looks like Odyn's exile stopped Azeroth of influencing him.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

And we just brought back Raden. All of them, looks like Odyn's exile stopped Azeroth of influencing him.

I edited my original post. Completely forgot that Loken has been dead, and that Ra was killed in Ny'alotha.

Tyr is back, but is operating on a limited memory. I would assume this limited memory does not have the original "directives" from the titans as he had before he died.

I would assume that Tyr will be at odds against Odyn and Archaedas if they were to reunite.

[Timester]

I edited my original post. Completely forgot that Loken has been dead, and that Ra was killed in Ny'alotha.

Tyr is back, but is operating on a limited memory. I would assume this limited memory does not have the original "directives" from the titans as he had before he died.

I would assume that Tyr will be at odds against Odyn and Archaedas if they were to reunite.

Yes, I wanted to mention Tyr, not Ra.

Wrathion has much to explain...