Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[allegrian]

Many people on this forum only play elves / only want elf lore / complain when elves arent always winning / want more elf hero classes like Alleria void hunter.

Being racist towards WoWs fantasy races are a compromise for being IRL racist. Why are the blue eyed blond haired skinny white elves the most popular requested race in WoW by far?

I'd say part of that is because the high elf fantasy has been one of the main alliance fantasies since W2 and it was given to the horde in the form of Blood Elves, so there's been that desire to finally get that part of the alliance back in WoW, and void elves look like an undesired compromise from a time when blizzard didn't care about the fans (BFA - SL). Midnight is the last time where it'd make sense to get playable HE, with new features like tattoos and new customization, or they could just add it to void/BE and merge both races into a neutral, HE race for both factions.

Other than that, the alliance does not have many other desired playable races outside niche stuff which tends to be VERY ugly races, like Broken, Ginyu or Furbolgs. This is because blizzard tends to create new monster and tribalistic races, which make more sense for the horde (Zandalari, Vulpera, Centaur, Sethrak, Taunka...), and the small exceptions where they create new civilised races that would make more sense in the alliance, they either go horde anyway (Nightborne), go neutral (Earthen, Pandaren), or are just a different faction of an existing race, too similar to add as a new race (Arathi).

[Teriz]

He says while showing all the worst excesses of capitalism.

Some people find that quite depressing.

Greed is good!

Not sure why, but goblins just don't excite me at all. Their run-down industrial theme annoys me more than some people were upset about draenei and their 'space ships'.

I personally love it. It's a nice change of pace from magical stuff all the time.

[Shadowferal]

Being racist towards WoWs fantasy races are a compromise for being IRL racist.

You must have absolutely despised fantasy stories, including WoW lore...

[Ersula]

He says while showing all the worst excesses of capitalism.

Style has nothing to do with capitalism.

This was about the male elf in the remade warrior t2 for the housing trailer. There was no alleria in it

You said midnight promotional materials. Housing is demonstrably coming before Midnight.

[Enrif]

You said midnight promotional materials. Housing is demonstrably coming before Midnight.

That's not what i said, look back at the quotes before making such a false statement

[Khaza-R]

He says while showing all the worst excesses of capitalism.

Some people find that quite depressing.

If you can somehow overlook the war/genocide and general murder-hoboing in game but draw the line at fictional capitalism, then I think you need a serious look at your moral compass.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Absolutely disgusted by the goblin slander going on here.

[Shadowferal]

Absolutely disgusted by the goblin slander going on here.

I assure you I hate all gobs equally.

Better, no?

[Cheezits]

Reposting from another thread: I think class skins will be a big feature in Midnight, of course with a new fancy name (like how they did Allied Races instead of Subraces and Hero Talents instead of... just more talents, which they are).

Personally I don't expect any big new gameplay features except maybe dynamic ground riding fine-tuned from the cars in Undermine. TWW added delves and solidified solo combat gameplay, hero talents were added to make new talent additions spicy, and TLT has more of a chance for a tech/titany class than Midnight. Though Midnight may introduce a paladin-equivalent for Void.

...or there's just a class skin that replaces the paladin spells with void.

Midnight Features
-Housing (confirmed)
-Race revamps (including Thalassian neutral race)
-Class Skins
-Dynamic ground mounts

TLT Features
-Northrend-themed AR(s) (Vrykul/Tuskarr/Ascended?)
-Tech class
-Class Halls

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I assure you I hate all gobs equally.

Better, no?

The goblin master race is going to bulldoze your house to build a pollution factory that makes plastic rings to throw directly into the ocean.

[doledippers]

https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1864369081513628158 some info on 11.0.7

Looks like new plunderstorm abilities, cool

[Joshuaj]

Guess 11.1 PTR on December 19th then?

[huth]

If you can somehow overlook the war/genocide and general murder-hoboing in game but draw the line at fictional capitalism, then I think you need a serious look at your moral compass.

You do realise this isn't an either/or situation? It's perfectly possible to have a problem with both.

[Joshuaj]

If you can somehow overlook the war/genocide and general murder-hoboing in game but draw the line at fictional capitalism, then I think you need a serious look at your moral compass.

That's not at all what he said...

[Khaza-R]

You do realise this isn't an either/or situation? It's perfectly possible to have a problem with both.

And that's fine if that's the case for some people. I can't imagine you would enjoy the game much though when an overarching premise relies on being rewarded for killing things. At some point you simply have to learn to divorce fantasy from reality or move on.

But regardless, I think the point is going to be moot come 11.1. I fully expect that with Undermine they are going to strongly backtrack from the Vanilla - Cataclysm depiction that goblins ruin everything and turn it into a slum.

[huth]

And that's fine if that's the case for some people. I can't imagine you would enjoy the game much though when an overarching premise relies on being rewarded for killing things. At some point you simply have to learn to divorce fantasy from reality or move on.

But regardless, I think the point is going to be moot come 11.1. I fully expect that with Undermine they are going to strongly backtrack from the Vanilla - Cataclysm depiction that goblins ruin everything and turn it into a slum.

Did you miss the Niffen village in Azj-Kahet? They literally have a pool technician whose job it is to ensure the pool is properly polluted.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Did you miss the Niffen village in Azj-Kahet? They literally have a pool technician whose job it is to ensure the pool is properly polluted.

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Being racist towards WoWs fantasy races are a compromise for being IRL racist.

Among other things:

(1) that's just a nonsensical blanket assertion when people usually roleplay fantasy racism for the sake of giving depth to the setting and reflecting the histories of the races (or because they're seething Allianceposters still upset about the tree)

(2) you're stretching to connect said outrageous assertion with the assertion that people who want to play high elves do so because they're racist and not because they want to play as generic fantasy elves

(3) race in fantasy is entirely incomparable with race in real life because fantasy races are different species in all but categorical technicality while race in real life refers to practically functionally-identical phenotypes of the same species whose variations are mainly effectively cosmetic with a sparse few minor functional features (i.a. weather acclimation).

(4) racism in real life is tragic. The reason it's tragic is because it actually has a negative impact on people. Racism in fiction against fictional races, since it realistically shouldn't impact people, is funny and based.

[Khaza-R]

Did you miss the Niffen village in Azj-Kahet? They literally have a pool technician whose job it is to ensure the pool is properly polluted.

Nope.

That's specifically the Venture Co.

[Viridiel]

We're in desperate need of a race and racial revamp. The recent racial balancing is a great step, but I want to see several allied races folded into their corresponding core races with a new solution to handle the mixed racials, like a racial tree or even a simple choice between two factions (e.g., gnomes and mechagnomes are merged into one race who can choose between Mechagon and Gnomeregan for their racials). Each faction has three core races and three allied races that are just visual variations like gnomes and mechagnomes, and I think nightborne and void elves could be merged into night elves and blood elves respectively with a toggle for faction (as in if you select Horde you're locked into the nightborne body and if you select Alliance you're locked into the night elf body--not a perfect solution, but a simple one). Vulpera are a bit difficult because the Alliance technically has four allied races that are just visual variants of existing races, but vulpera share very little in common with goblins. I could see Kul Tiran, vulpera, and earthen changed to become core races and the allied race distinction removed entirely, but I'd like to see a lot more lore for vulpera first since they barely stand on their own as an allied race right now.

We could get something like this in Midnight or the Last Titan, or it could come with further world revamps alongside the injection of new lore to make it work better. Either way I think it's necessary if they want to continue cleaning things up and making the game more usable and evergreen. The race selection screen is already bad enough, but if they keep adding more allied races then soon it's going to look like a fighting game character selection screen.

[Cheezits]

as in if you select Horde you're locked into the nightborne body and if you select Alliance you're locked into the night elf body--not a perfect solution, but a simple one).

I think you're onto something here. If Thalassian is made a race with Alliance/Horde toggles, it could stand to reason that "Quel'dorei" (aka Highborne) are made one race that toggles into Nelf or Nightborne per faction, as they are technically the same race.

"Human" could also be Human/Kul Tiran/Worgen on Alliance and Forsaken on Horde. But that's more of a stretch.