Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

You keep saying the Prismatic dragons have the "power of the cosmic forces." They don't. They can just control the entire repertoire of magic.

You're thinking of Chromatic dragons. Which have zilch to do with any of this.

[Cheezits]

Those classes sound great. Really pleasantly surprised to see a Witch class that would use Drust magic and Decay.

Seeing both Artificer AND Tinker is surprising. Are they going to end up both being specs of one class, or are they going to do both? The titan magic callout for them pretty much confirms the theories in here about them being TLT classes. Bard using the wordsoul song makes me think it is also planned for this saga.

What I'm shocked about... no Void class whatsoever? Or is it just locked in for Midnight already? I guess Astrologian could be it?

[Eldryth]

Those classes sound great. Really pleasantly surprised to see a Witch class that would use Drust magic and Decay.

Seeing both Artificer AND Tinker is surprising. Are they going to end up both being specs of one class, or are they going to do both? The titan magic callout for them pretty much confirms the theories in here about them being TLT classes. Bard using the wordsoul song makes me think it is also planned for this saga.

What I'm shocked about... no Void class whatsoever? Or is it just locked in for Midnight already?

My take on it is, if it's real, then it looks like they're trying to decide what class to include in TLT in particular. There's a whole bunch of Titan-themed ideas there, and the rest of it sounds far more generic. So the main purpose could be to decide whether Artificer, Bard, Tinker, or the more surprising Titan classes would be the best one to add.

If that's the intended purpose for the survey, then the lack of a Void class is just logical. If we get one, it will most likely be in Midnight, and that decision would already be made at this point.

[Cheezits]

If that's the intended purpose for the survey, then the lack of a Void class is just logical. If we get one, it will most likely be in Midnight, and that decision would already be made at this point.

Agreed, though Apothecary, Bard, Necromancer and Astrologian all sound fairly possible for Midnight. Apothecary because of the Forsaken, Necromancer for the Scourge areas + recent Kel Thuzad tease (though this could also happen in TLT), Astrologian could fit both Light and Void and Bard fits the general medieval theme of north EK. Plus the explicit Worldsoul Saga theme for them.

I REALLY hope they just do both Artificer and Tinker for TLT (even if its they are two specs of a single class) and don't do Evoker 2.0 for ANOTHER Titan class. Astrologian may be cool though to represent them, or the dragoon class.

[huth]

Agreed, though Apothecary, Bard, Necromancer and Astrologian all sound fairly possible for Midnight. Apothecary because of the Forsaken, Necromancer for the Scourge areas + recent Kel Thuzad tease (though this could also happen in TLT), Astrologian could fit both Light and Void and Bard fits the general medieval theme of north EK. Plus the explicit Worldsoul Saga theme for them.

I REALLY hope they just do both Artificer and Tinker for TLT (even if its they are two specs of a single class) and don't do Evoker 2.0 for ANOTHER Titan class. Astrologian may be cool though to represent them, or the dragoon class.

Astrologian strikes me as having a bit much overlap with Moonkin.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Definitely would like to see Tinker and Bard if these are the most likely Support Class Candidates. Outside of that I only really have a soft spot for a fast-paced Gun class and Warden but I am under no illusion that Warden seems far-fetched.

Very surprising but I mean things look good with the previous Survey on top of that.

[Teriz]

TBF, some of those class ideas sound more like 4th specs or hero talents. Someone rightfully pointed out that "Hunter" is mentioned in the Warden description, and is using decidedly Hunter abilities like Traps.

[Viridiel]

Some of them definitely work for Midnight:
Warden: night elf
Leyweaver: nightborne
Spellbreaker/battlemage: blood elf
Astrologer: void elf (technically works for all of them, but the void elves actually hang out in space)

Bard seems relevant to the entire trilogy, prismatic is (somewhat) relevant to the greater story, and witch, gunslinger, gunner, apothecary, and necromancer are generic or seemingly irrelevant to anything going on right now. Gunslinger is especially perplexing to me with the existence of outlaw rogues who already have to share a good chunk of their identity with survival hunters.

Bard, leyweaver, artificer, tinker, and prismatic are the only ones that look like fully fleshed-out classes, with the rest being really vague concepts or a spec at best.

I'm very interested in bard. The general concept is pretty uninteresting but the idea of using the Radiant Song is very cool.

[Cheezits]

Astrologer: void elf (technically works for all of them, but the void elves actually hang out in space)

Nightborne too are famously into space (the astrologist boss from Nighthold).

[Polybius]

These are clearly class ideas for The Last Titan.

Which makes me wonder if we're not getting a new class in Midnight.

Also I agree that Prismatic sounds like Evoker minus the dragon/aspect stuff.

Tinker being linked to titan tech is very interesting. I've long theorized that the Tinker claw pack from WC3 was titan technology.

Could be 3 years down the line. The housing question came up in a survey back in Shadowlands.

[Cheezits]

I can see there not being a class in Midnight if the focus is on a racial revamp plus maybe some new races. Especially if they also add class skins.

[Eldryth]

Agreed, though Apothecary, Bard, Necromancer and Astrologian all sound fairly possible for Midnight. Apothecary because of the Forsaken, Necromancer for the Scourge areas + recent Kel Thuzad tease (though this could also happen in TLT), Astrologian could fit both Light and Void and Bard fits the general medieval theme of north EK. Plus the explicit Worldsoul Saga theme for them.

I REALLY hope they just do both Artificer and Tinker for TLT (even if its they are two specs of a single class) and don't do Evoker 2.0 for ANOTHER Titan class. Astrologian may be cool though to represent them, or the dragoon class.

I was mostly talking about the descriptions. Most of the classes that fit well for TLT got detailed descriptions about how they tie in to the Titan or Worldsoul lore (with only Celestial Lancer being lazy), while nearly everything else got a short, generic description with very little Warcraft flavor. I mean, just look at Wardens- they're a very well-established thing at this point, and one of the best non-Void fits for Midnight, but they just got one line that cuts out most of what we know of them and reduces them to "chakrams and traps". Outside the stuff that fits a Titan theme, only Witch sounds like it had any real effort put into it here.

[Teriz]

Could be 3 years down the line. The housing question came up in a survey back in Shadowlands.

3 years would match the timeline for TLT’s release. Midnight comes out in 2026 I believe. That puts TLT’s release in 2028.

[Nibelheimy]

I've always been content with the idea of Necromancer being a class skin of Warlock, however if it was a class. I could see its specs being Blood (heal) Bone (tank) and Bile (DPS).

The one I'm most exited to be possible however is Witch. I've been feeling playing a Darkspear a lot recently, but lack of beards has annoyed me and all the classes I'd like to play as one I have as mains already. This would be a nice addition.

Most of these are far too grand to be hero talents alone, so I see this survey as a look ahead for the next saga. I do think we will be getting Artificer in TLT however.

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Bards using the radiant song would not of been the way I would of anticipated them. I don't see why there needs to be a connection to the messages of Azeroth and music. However, we have yet to see the worldsoul corrupted, so we may indeed may get differences in her visions. (horrific visions incoming) and we could see some type "songs" from her that could be used to damage if they were used in a classes abilities aspect. Saying this, I would much much rather the actual abilities of a bard be the more classic styled bard, with actual music inspired abilities rather than this.

[Cheezits]

Bards using the radiant song would not of been the way I would of anticipated them. I don't see why there needs to be a connection to the messages of Azeroth and music. However, we have yet to see the worldsoul corrupted, so we may indeed may get differences in her visions. (horrific visions incoming) and we could see some type "songs" from her that could be used to damage if they were used in a classes abilities aspect. Saying this, I would much much rather the actual abilities of a bard be the more classic styled bard, with actual music inspired abilities rather than this.

Well there is the "secret" lore pointing to Music/Song/Sound being important, possibly even the 7th element of magic (Zereth Mortis and that one questline in Dragonflight, technically Murmur in a retroactive way)

[Joshuaj]

Well there is the "secret" lore pointing to Music/Song/Sound being important, possibly even the 7th element of magic (Zereth Mortis and that one questline in Dragonflight, technically Murmur in a retroactive way)

Why would that be the seventh force? Based off BFA and SLs implications, as well as Legion's talk about "the crooked serpent that dreams of infinite beginnings and endings", I always assumed that the seventh would end up more or less as Warcraft's version of Yog-Sothoth.

And what 1 questline in Dragonflight?

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Also, the forces aren't elements of magic. They're forces. Magics are aspects of said force, but a magic type is not the exact same as a force.

[Thomir]

Damn I want to play an Earthen Astrologian.

[Scyth]

Prismatic sounds the coolest out of all those listed to me but I do agree it's very similar to Evoker, doesn't mean they can't exist though.
A class that is Titan-themed is the most likely for TLT imo though so would not be surprised to see Tinkers.

As for those saying there might not be a new class in Midnight, pretty sure they are well into Midnight development and if that expansion is getting a new class then that class is most definitely being designed now. Not a chance they are asking for class ideas for an expansion that is going to release in a year-ish.

So my Void-class copium is still very much on!

[Kellorion]

the entire lists reads like it it was made of by somebody from mmo-champ

[KyleEverett]

the entire lists reads like it it was made of by somebody from mmo-champ

This survey is very likely real, I had heard mention of it days before the German fansite posted it.