Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

That Scarlet Monastery loading screen is bothering me because that's neither what the entrance or the cathedral look like...

It's Tyr's Hand

[KOUNTERPARTS]

It is from Tyr'd Hand in Eastern Plaguelands. I figured that is where the Scarlet Crusade raid would be as it's releasing a long side of Naxxramas in SoD.

[huth]

I'm pretty sure it's the church in eastern EPL.

As opposed to the western eastern plaguelands?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

As opposed to the western eastern plaguelands?

Western eastern plague lands would be Tirion’s shack so unless he took up remodelling…

[KOUNTERPARTS]

As opposed to the western eastern plaguelands?

And the slight-less-plagued-but-still-decently-plagued-Southern Plaguelands of Tirisfal Glades and Silverpine Forest.

[Alanar]

yes, a Necromancer class isn't just a person that uses necromancy. A Necromancer is a whole theme and vibe. And yes, Warlocks are very very close to that, and a pallet swap and class skin would do that more than sufficient in one interpretation of what a necromancer should be. The thing is, necromancers could be more than just "raise dead" the class. We have seen in Diablo how a necromancer can be visualized. Warcraft has its own styles, and while we have a few transmogs for it, the gameplay isn't there. As a DK you are still a warrior first and foremost, and as a warlock you throw fire and demons around. You would need to mix those two to have a Necromancer. And even than, is the question if it really covers the whole necromancer identity and fantasy.

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i will not explain it to you here, as this is the wrong threat for it. Feel free to ask about that in the correct threat or make your own.

The fantasy is an undead cloth wearer summoning undead minions. There isnt much else we are missing here.
That vibe might not be 100% there, but its pretty darn close.

Yes, you can expand it, but that is with everything. It would need to be created or taken from diablo etc. It isnt exactly something that we are missing perse. Since you said, its not enough to cover all necromancer ground. The wow necromancers sadly arent that deep as you think and what we know is pretty much covered. Would I like a new invented necromancer, purely ranged etc. Sure, but thats not the point.

Class skins are just dead to me and along with that are demon warlock, reskinned to undead. Its not a very satisfying fit either. You would still be called a warlock the end of the day.

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There's really nothing to speculate until Midnight. The road map is good to have but kills speculation, and the second major patch for this expansion is obvious.

Only things to really speculate are any new races, classes (taken care of with this survey) and features that nobody has guessed yet.

Here's a thought: dynamic ground mounts coming so quickly means that Midnight zones will be bigger than they have been theorized, and also we are going to get zones with less empty space.

Could be nothing since we have dragonriding anyway. Zones have to be larger by default now.

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Also, SOD will be using this beautiful loading screen for a new Scarlet raid. It's based off the classic church model so I doubt it will be reused, but... it feels like something that could appear in Midnight. Conceptually at least.

Zone of scarlets right side of the chapel in Epl. Could be a spin, where the door is open as in a new dung.

[Telogrus]

Unholy should’ve just been reworked into a cloth-wearing ranged dps Necromancer spec

[huth]

And the slight-less-plagued-but-still-decently-plagued-Southern Plaguelands of Tirisfal Glades and Silverpine Forest.

The western East Front of northern Southshore.

[Kiivar86]

Unholy should’ve just been reworked into a cloth-wearing ranged dps Necromancer spec

Seems weird to have a single spec that's wearing a different armor class though.

[Teriz]

Unholy should’ve just been reworked into a cloth-wearing ranged dps Necromancer spec

They don’t need cloth though. Plenty of plate armor sets are robes.

[Cheezits]

Light based priest and paladin are the same class using the same energies but with different armor and weapons. Necromancer is similar in that way to DK but no reason they shouldn't both exist and the survey even shows they (Blizz) likely think the same.

[Teriz]

Light based priest and paladin are the same class using the same energies but with different armor and weapons. Necromancer is similar in that way to DK but no reason they shouldn't both exist and the survey even shows they (Blizz) likely think the same.

Priest is 50% shadow magic and 50% Holy magic.

Paladin is 100% holy magic.

So no, I wouldn't say they're the same class using the same energy.

[Viridiel]

Zone of scarlets right side of the chapel in Epl. Could be a spin, where the door is open as in a new dung.

I'd like for Northeron to appear in the game proper as an island east of EPL with Scarlets and Wildhammers in conflict, probably some trolls and/or undead too. It was supposedly heavily affected by the Cataclysm, so I think breaking off and floating away works well.

That could be how we get our bards The Wildhammer bards there hear the Radiant Song and incorporate it into their songs.

[Mace]

Midnight Elves:

- Vereesa and her followers from Dalaran (Silver Covenant)

- Kirin Tor members from Dalaran

- Naga Deserters opposed to the Void

- Various High Elven exiles

- San'layn, Darkfallen, Banshees and Wretches following a redeemed Sylvanas (and dwelling in the Ghostlands)

- Felblood Elves rallying around one of Illidan's sidekicks

- Throw in a few odd Satyr and Harpy NPCs choosing to side with the Night Elves again

- Nightborne following Thalyssra

- Withered welcomed back to Suramar

- Night Elves settled in Bel'ameth

- Blood Elves of Silvermoon following Lor'themar

- Void Elves following Alleria

- Half-elves (Arathi etc.) following Arator

- Haranir being essentially Kaldorei Trolls

If Blizzard is somehow unable to pull a new neutral High Elf race out of this, I don't think they ever will.

Sorry , not followed all the topic so far.. where did you gt this from? It does seem plausible and very welcome.

I like the idea of Sylvanas returning and being a leader of the undead elves and being in Ghostlands - Wretched in particular in addition to San'layn and Darkfallen seems exciting.

I'm ont so keen on alliance night elves removed and settling in Bel'ameth with nothing much - I'd like them to be more involved, i hope for more of that cosmic star/moon stuff form them and the Nightborne - their signature name is the kaldorei - can we have some more of the Elune/Well of Eternity lore in world of Warcraft, this is their main origin lore, the druid lore only exploded in classic and we've had enough. While I always liked it, I never wanted it to be at the expense of the stars, Elune and the Well, which I have also always liked but the lack of development has made me far more interested in those parts now.

Looks like a lot of High elf around which is good.. but I would like to see a similar focus on void elves for Midnight that Nightborne got for Legion. I mean it's only fair that the night elf sub-race which was prominent in legion, the night elf expansion ahs it's counterpart, the blood elf sub-race prominent in Midnight to a similar extent. Without serious foundation lore, void elves are a joke.

The original Sunwell was made from Leylines + the Well of Eternity so it was entirely Azeroth's power. The TBC Sunwell uses a Naaru core and the Nightwell uses a Titan Artifact so I'd say the first is pure World Soul, the second is Light-aligned and the third Order-aligned. Given that the influence of external forces on Azeroth is central to the story, purging the Sunwell of the Light influence (alongside the inevitable Void one) may be part of Midnight's narrative.

the Nightwell was a small pool from the Well of Eternity that the titan artifact was used to greatly expand in conjunction with the leylines: It is Well of Etenrity+leylines+titan artifact.

Here's what I'm interested in: the original Well of Eternity caused life to virtually explode around it. Trolls becoming Night Elves, new species appearing, etc. Elune also used to sleep and bathe in its waters.

What gives Azeroth's blood such a seemingly strong connection to Life? Is it Elun'Ahir or something even more ancient?

I'm dying to know this.

What exactly do they mean by life?

Sadly the cosmic power chart has warped player minds when that word is mentioned - they onw instantly go to nature magic.

But life is existence of being alive, in . and all cosmic powers relate.

The well of eternity has been a source to generate life, but it's energies are arcane, not nature. - becuase in warcraft arcane (order) enhances life. - they are both complimenting and opposing.

[Nightshade711]

The new class survey is most likely a fake tbh.
The only source I can find for it is from the German fansite “chromie.de”, which isn’t even owned by blizzard.

If it were a real survey that went out to people we’d probably have more sources.

[Mace]

ok, got it translated, here you go



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it doesn't say anything about progenitors, but using titanic powers

I do like the idea of this.

yeah, that some description were more elaborate is striking. And i think it is safe to assume these are more along the design process than the classes with shorter text.
If i take the 5 classes with the most text, it leaves us with:

• Artificer: Melee based Tanks,Damagedealer and Healer, that use a mix of handmade machines and titan-technology. Mechanic-reactive gear is the foundation of their power, while utilising new weapon types like extendable flails or reactive shields. This class is on the frontlines of battles and protects and supports their team with their inventions.
• Bard: Supporter, Healer and Tanks, that utilize the Song of Azeroth to cast mighty spells, support their allies and weaken their enemies. Bards shine in a group, empowering and improving the spells of others and at the same time bringing numerous songs and auras to help their group reach new heights.
• Prismatic: As heirs to titanic Power, Prismatics are carriers of cosmic powers that can not only be used in their purest forms, but their transcending powers can be merged to new powers. They refine and focus the power of life to heal allies, or the powers of order to protect themself, or they merge the combined powers of death and shadow to deal damage to enemies.
• Tinker: Genius inventors, who have uncovered the secrets of the titan technology, and using it to protect their allies, heal wounds and attack enemies. Through their understanding of machines. tinkers can create inventions (custom made skills/spells), control Mech-Suits and deploy mechanical constructs to create an advantage in combat.
• Witch: Damagedealers and Healers that use “old magic” to reach towards darker, natural powers. They magic includes curses, familiars, rituals, spiritual connections, poisons, decay and more. This class builds onto the teachings of witches and dark magicians of WoW, including the witches of Drustvar, the gilnean harvest witches, the decay gnolls and troll hexes and spirit magic.

these are also classes that call out roles, compared to classes that have just generic text without even a mention of roles they can fulfill, like Titankiller or Necromancer,

The Astrologian has a lot text too.

If this survey turns out to be real, its time to drop multiple re-occurring arguments against a lot of requested classes - "this already basically exists" & "this is basically a profession" arguments.

If real, it shows Blizzard are happy to make a Atrologian, even if Shadow priests have 1 space related spell.
It shows a possibility of making not 1, but 2 mechanical and gun based classes.
It shows that Necromancers are possible, even if Warlocks exist already.
It shows that they're happy to consider a witch/witch doctor styled spec focusing on Decay over elements, even though Shaman is claimed by some to cover this role already.

I hope this is real, even if we get the ones I personally think are stupid, because it proves that there really is no rule that stops a new class being added.

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Agree with these classes specifically, although I would also love to see Apothecary and Necromancer. I do have to say, got to speaking to my brother about the gun classes and we had flashbacks to tanking Shadowfang keep when Cata was fresh and Lord Godfrey was porting around double blasting magic missiles with two guns. That felt very cool at the time.

Demon hunters were possible even when warlocks existed. But then they chose to steal a lot of demon hunter stuff to put in the warcraft warlock development. They did the same when they fleshed out shaman, taking from what they had done for druids. I don't see why they can't make a Necomancer class. and thematically, Necoromancer is far closer to Death Knight than Warlock is, their are many necromancer themes in the Dk. You could view nercomancer as a ranged DK, just like you can view Demon hunters as a melee warlock. Operativeword being can

[Teriz]

The new class survey is most likely a fake tbh.
The only source I can find for it is from the German fansite “chromie.de”, which isn’t even owned by blizzard.

If it were a real survey that went out to people we’d probably have more sources.

While I have my doubts, I believe this is legitimate.

I can completely believe that Blizzard would bypass Midnight and bring out the new class in TLT due to thematics and housing. TLT is far more fertile territory for a new class than Midnight is. We have a void-based class. We don't have a titan-based class.

[Wyrt]

Assuming the survey is true, which seems unlikely, why would it preclude a class in Midnight? The survey has both Battlemage and Spellbreaker on it which are both Quel'thalas themed classes. It also has Witch and Necromancer which seem to have little to do with what we know of The Last Titan.

That said, I can't see the survey as being real. Prismatic being Titan themed but using death/shadow magic seems pretty glaringly wrong. Witches being based on Drust and Gilnean Harvest witches is weird since both of those were used as justification for Kul Tiran and Worgen druids respectively. Why do Kul Tirans and Worgen have druids then if the witches are a separate class?

And there's no way a German language version of the survey would leak but an English language one wouldn't. There are far, far more English speakers playing WoW than German speakers.

[Nightshade711]

While I have my doubts, I believe this is legitimate.

If it were real there would be more sources than just the “chromie.de” fansite. (Which isn’t owned by blizzard, despite what some content creators think)

[Foolicious]

Assuming the survey is true, which seems unlikely, why would it preclude a class in Midnight

Because its way to late to switch up plans for midnight based on a survey. With a reveal in summer (gamescom in august most likely) and housing coming later that year most of the development plans should be set in stone at this point. Dragonflight followed the standard development time and they still had to ship evoker unfinished.