Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

It isn’t headcanon to think an NPC called Demon Hunter Initiate is a Demon Hunter Initiate.

So a Demon Hunter initiate isn't a Demon Hunter now?

Mana burn was a priest ability in WoW. Are they spellbreakers now too?

Mana Burn was originally a DH ability in WC3.

DK has anti-magic shell & zone. Plus rune of spellwarding & used to have a rune of spellbreaking.
Are DKs spellbreakers now too? Hell that’s more viable than DHs being spell breakers since playable DKs once had an ability called spellbreaking instead of a random no-name NPC.

DKs don't need a third spec. Demon Hunters do, and it frankly fits the concept; Elven, Gliaves, Melee, Anti/Counter-magic abilities.\

[Cheezits]

I do admit that a ranger class that focuses on the three Windrunners (Alleria Void, Vereesa Arcane, Sylvanas Death) would probably have a massive amount of pull, but I don't think they want Hunters to think they just suck compared to the rangers. I wouldn't be opposed to this though.

[Nightshade711]

So a Demon Hunter initiate isn't a Demon Hunter now?

They aren’t fully fledged Demon Hunters, they are initiates.
Hell they don’t even have any of the DH characteristics.



Where’s the blindfolds? Demon horns? Demonic tattoos? Any sign of fel corruption at all?

Mana Burn was originally a DH ability in WC3.

So priests are Demon Hunters according to your logic.

DKs don't need a third spec. Demon Hunters do, and it frankly fits the concept; Elven, Gliaves, Melee, Anti/Counter-magic abilities.\

Dks can be elves, they have more anti/counter-magic abilities than DHs do, they also fight in melee, and they can wield the warglaives of azzinoth.

[Nibelheimy]

I do admit that a ranger class that focuses on the three Windrunners (Alleria Void, Vereesa Arcane, Sylvanas Death) would probably have a massive amount of pull, but I don't think they want Hunters to think they just suck compared to the rangers. I wouldn't be opposed to this though.

Yeah I've been thinking this for a while, I think its a lot more likely than people think.

[Teriz]

They aren’t fully fledged Demon Hunters, they are initiates.
Hell they don’t even have any of the DH characteristics.

Where’s the blindfolds? Demon horns? Demonic tattoos? Any sign of fel corruption at all?

Well the Demon Hunter Theras had the ability as well;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Theras

Hopefully he meets your standards.

[Polybius]

They added a super high tech race and basically no one plays it. I don't think tech is a massive selling point for people. And I really doubt it would draw in people who have never played the game before. It'd be another Evoker where very few people are interested in playing it.

Dracthyr were made available and now you see more players pairing it with other class combos. Oppositely, there aren't enough classes that fit the background for goblin and gnome. Of all requested combos, you can survey players and they'll give a variety of archetypes not currently playable: tinker/artificer, necromancer/dark-ranger, bard, and astromancer/night-warrior

We're more likely to see these archetypes over new specs or roles in the near future. As for the legitimacy of these surveys: they run a limited number of them every few years, some of us have gotten them and we're still questioned about it. Last time, and the only time I've gotten a survey, they asked questions that were pretty out there or straight up nonsensical, including about player housing (back in Shadowlands).

[Wyrt]

Dracthyr were made available and now you see more players pairing it with other class combos. Oppositely, there aren't enough classes that fit the background for goblin and gnome. Of all requested combos, you can survey players and they'll give a variety of archetypes not currently playable: tinker/artificer, necromancer/dark-ranger, bard, and astromancer/night-warrior

We're more likely to see these archetypes over new specs or roles in the near future. As for the legitimacy of these surveys: they run a limited number of them every few years, some of us have gotten them and we're still questioned about it. Last time, and the only time I've gotten a survey, they asked questions that were pretty out there or straight up nonsensical, including about player housing (back in Shadowlands).

Astromancer isn't currently available? WTF is balance druid with those stars and moons then?

[Teriz]

I do admit that a ranger class that focuses on the three Windrunners (Alleria Void, Vereesa Arcane, Sylvanas Death) would probably have a massive amount of pull, but I don't think they want Hunters to think they just suck compared to the rangers. I wouldn't be opposed to this though.

They're not going to pull Dark Rangers off of Hunters. In addition, the Hunter class has Windrunner abilities in its talent tree.

If they make an Alleria class, it's going to be entirely based on her and the void. The question is if that's enough to create a class around? The void can be expansive, but tends to get limited when applied to more martial classes.

[Wyrt]

They're not going to pull Dark Rangers off of Hunters. In addition, the Hunter class has Windrunner abilities in its talent tree.

If they make an Alleria class, it's going to be entirely based on her and the void. The question is if that's enough to create a class around? The void can be expansive, but tends to get limited when applied to more martial classes.

Why not? We've seen a ton of new melee void animations in TWW in addition to Alleria's ranged ones. There's plenty to work with without getting in priest's way at all since priest is never going to be using bows or melee attacks.

[Nibelheimy]

If they make an Alleria class. Its going to be based on the 3 Windrunner Sisters. They can and will pull abilities from other classes when they need to. They have done it before. Hunter has a problem with over-saturation of themes in its specs and hero talents right now. This will fix this and add another ranged user into the loot pool.

Its based on 3 lore characters, 2 of which are incredibly popular to carry the weight of the three specs. Who are also going to be important in the next expansion. The arcane spec may also be a healer/buff spec. So people can RP as priestesses of the moon too.

Current specs and especially hero talents mean nothing with future class developments. Things can and will change when needed.

[Cheezits]

They're not going to pull Dark Rangers off of Hunters. In addition, the Hunter class has Windrunner abilities in its talent tree.

If they make an Alleria class, it's going to be entirely based on her and the void. The question is if that's enough to create a class around? The void can be expansive, but tends to get limited when applied to more martial classes.

The class and/or Sylvanas spec would be called something else. Hopefully they wouldn't do a metamorphosis warlock thing again.

I am not so sure it would be an Alleria class when Sylvanas is much more popular and they seem to be building up Vereesa for something, to the point they flat out refuse to have her appear in TWW.

"Windrunner Class" makes way more sense IMO. Spellbow? Ranger? Farstrider?

[Polybius]

Astromancer isn't currently available? WTF is balance druid with those stars and moons then?

Not Astromancer? It's Arcane and Nature magic for the Druid archetype. All aspects of astromancy have been divided into different classes: priest, mage, druid.

[Nibelheimy]

The class and/or Sylvanas spec would be called something else. Hopefully they wouldn't do a metamorphosis warlock thing again.

I am not so sure it would be an Alleria class when Sylvanas is much more popular and they seem to be building up Vereesa for something, to the point they flat out refuse to have her appear in TWW.

"Windrunner Class" makes way more sense IMO. Spellbow? Ranger? Farstrider?

Can even be a two spec class. One ranged and one melee spec. Move dark ranger hero talent to this ranger, and add a void themed one too. There are many routes they can go with it. I personally see a three spec class, with at least one heal/buff spec

[Polybius]

The class and/or Sylvanas spec would be called something else. Hopefully they wouldn't do a metamorphosis warlock thing again.

I am not so sure it would be an Alleria class when Sylvanas is much more popular and they seem to be building up Vereesa for something, to the point they flat out refuse to have her appear in TWW.

"Windrunner Class" makes way more sense IMO. Spellbow? Ranger? Farstrider?

Wonder what Vereesa would be.

[Wyrt]

The class and/or Sylvanas spec would be called something else. Hopefully they wouldn't do a metamorphosis warlock thing again.

I am not so sure it would be an Alleria class when Sylvanas is much more popular and they seem to be building up Vereesa for something, to the point they flat out refuse to have her appear in TWW.

"Windrunner Class" makes way more sense IMO. Spellbow? Ranger? Farstrider?

There are Silver Covenant Spellbows in Thunder Isle, so it's not without precedent.

A new class using bows would be very welcome, but not sure I like all 3 specs using bows.

[Teriz]

Why not? We've seen a ton of new melee void animations in TWW in addition to Alleria's ranged ones. There's plenty to work with without getting in priest's way at all since priest is never going to be using bows or melee attacks.

Because Dark Ranger was in a similar position to where Alleria currently is, and Blizzard folded that entire concept into a hero talent tree. Frankly Dark Ranger had an even stronger basis to become a class because we had multiple variations of Dark Rangers (Sylvanas, Nathanos, Moonwarden, Summermoon, Shadestalker, etc.) to utilize for a class. Not to mention all that BS Sylvanas was doing with her phantom swords and chains in BFA.

Sylvanas was a far more popular character than Alleria to boot.

So yeah, I'm a little skeptical that Blizzard is going to do more with less.

[Nibelheimy]

Wonder what Vereesa would be.

Think Tyrande and the Priestesses of the moon. Arcane ranged healer/buffer.

[Cheezits]

Wonder what Vereesa would be.

Arcane. Hits the Helf and Nelf/Nightborne niches. Or the general ranger vs Void and Death.

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There are Silver Covenant Spellbows in Thunder Isle, so it's not without precedent.

A new class using bows would be very welcome, but not sure I like all 3 specs using bows.

If that's true, and they are being so weird with Vereesa (of the Silver Covenant), I am really starting to think Spellbow specifically is likely.

Hopefully not a hero class restricted to the elves but could be. Maybe open race hero class?

Vereesa would be the Class Character while Alleria is.... occupied.... and Sylvanas isn't there at the start of the expansion. But there would be Alleria and Sylvanas powers available because of the races in this class order (Velves and Darkfallen)

[Wyrt]

Not Astromancer? It's Arcane and Nature magic for the Druid archetype. All aspects of astromancy have been divided into different classes: priest, mage, druid.

Balance is a Sun/Moon An'she/Elune spec with stars and moons that balances between Solar and Lunar energy. I don't see how an Astrologian would be significantly different. Mechanically that's Nature and Arcane, but it's all space magic thematically.

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Arcane. Hits the Helf and Nelf/Nightborne niches. Or the general ranger vs Void and Death.

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If that's true, and they are being so weird with Vereesa (of the Silver Covenant), I am really starting to think Spellbow specifically is likely.

Hopefully not a hero class restricted to the elves but could be. Maybe open race hero class?

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=68043/si...ities;mode:lfr

I don't know why wowhead doesn't list their abilities. I know they have some kind of arcane shot, but I can't get out there to test at the moment.

[huth]

Astromancer isn't currently available? WTF is balance druid with those stars and moons then?

The only one on that list that is both actually an archetype and completely inaccessible is Bard. Night Warrior is just getting overfilled with Elune's power and has no real definition beyond that.

Tinker/Artificer is effectively Engineering as a class, Necromancer is covered by DK and Dark Ranger is a Hunter Hero talent tree.