Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Wyrt]

nah, looks like a blizzard survey i once had. would be a very elaborate troll just to make a survey. and one that doesn't include any void options for midnight? unlikely.

They just grabbed some random Blizzard art from Hearthstone and Overwatch. Hardly elaborate.

[Enrif]

Photoshopping a few hearthstone cards & Overwatch art and a “share your feedback” isn’t really that elaborate.

Actual elaborate trolls/hoaxes aren’t new. Remember this from BfA?


Or the Avaloren “leaks” were pretty elaborate. Much more than what’s being presented here.

add to that the survey, with all its options and make that german. and nothing of it sounds like the general ideas we hear people talk about, especially about void classes. Then, the text has translations into german which need a very good insight into how things are called in the german client.

if this was a german troll, why not get more acclaim? It wasn't posted to reddit until after it was translated here by me. No vidoes from the big people, only pyromancer and soulsobreeze from what i saw.

It is too wierd to be a troll

[Melorandor]

Demon Hunters in BT had spellbreaker abilities, and the concept has long had an anti-magic theme (Mana Burn, Mana Break), so it tracks thematically. It would make sense for Blood Elf demon hunters to integrate Spellbreaker into the DH class.



I have a feeling that Blizzard is going to dip a little into Runemaster for the Monk class, since Runemasters in Warcraft have always had a monk leaning. Leylines are an integral part of the Runemaster concept. In addition, abilities like Jadefire Stomp definitely has the feel of a Leyline ability.

Astrologian is definitely more Mage based, since Mages have abilities like Comet, Supernova, and Meteor. Also the Astromancers in Legion were definitely Mage-based.

Necromancer is definitely DK. DK already has the abilities in place, and its the Scourge class. Warlocks are demonic, not undead.

The irony is, Demon Hunters are pretty much spellbreakers.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Interesting that bards would have tank spec instead of tradiotional pure damage spec. This would make them the only class in the game without a real damage spec, which would make questing and other solo content significantly slower for them. I would have expected them to come with the evoker options of dps/support/healer.

Could just have the passive like tanks from City of Heroes where you deal just as much damage as a DPS while alone, and then for each player who joins your party, your damage goes down until it bottoms out at a certain point.

[Nightshade711]

add to that the survey, with all its options and make that german. and nothing of it sounds like the general ideas we hear people talk about, especially about void classes. Then, the text has translations into german which need a very good insight into how things are called in the german client.

if this was a german troll, why not get more acclaim? It wasn't posted to reddit until after it was translated here by me. No vidoes from the big people, only pyromancer and soulsobreeze from what i saw.

It is too wierd to be a troll

You mean this survey?

Nothing blizzard affiliated with it.

[Wyrt]

add to that the survey, with all its options and make that german. and nothing of it sounds like the general ideas we hear people talk about, especially about void classes. Then, the text has translations into german which need a very good insight into how things are called in the german client.

if this was a german troll, why not get more acclaim? It wasn't posted to reddit until after it was translated here by me. No vidoes from the big people, only pyromancer and soulsobreeze from what i saw.

It is too wierd to be a troll

I wouldn't be surprised if an AI made the original. There are even formatting errors in the screenshots from the German site. I doubt much effort went into making it.

[Nightshade711]

I wouldn't be surprised if an AI made the original. There are even formatting errors in the screenshots from the German site. I doubt much effort went into making it.

Definitely reads as if it were made by an AI.

There are times where it’s like “answer questions about the tinker class below” but then talks about a separate class.

Survey Page 4:
Answer the following questions about the concept of a Tinker class:
Prismatic: As heirs to Titanic Power, Prismatics are carriers of cosmic powers that can not only be used in their purest forms but their transcending powers can be merged into new powers. They refine and focus the power of life to heal allies, or the powers of order to protect themself, or they merge the combined powers of death and shadow to deal damage to enemies.

Survey Page 5:
Answer the following questions about the concept of a Tinker class:
Bard: Supporter, Healer, and Tanks, that utilize the Song of Azeroth to cast mighty spells, support their allies and weaken their enemies. Bards shine in a group, empowering and improving the spells of others and at the same time bringing numerous songs and auras to help their group reach new heights

[Wyrt]

Definitely reads as if it were made by an AI.

There are times where it’s like “answer questions about the tinker class below” but then talks about a separate class.

Exactly. An official survey would not have that kind of confusing wording on it. I doubt bard would be related to tinker at all. I still have no idea what Prismatic is even supposed to be, it definitely like an AI barfed out a class concept. Titan based class that uses death and shadow magic is a massive WTF?

[Enrif]

You mean this survey?

yes. This text has phrases no english speaking person would translate the survey into german, unless they are german themselves or are hired by a german translation Company. In this case, using the phrase "Probieren geht über Studieren", is a very very german one. You can try to google a translation for that, but the closest meaning would be "learning by doing", but common translation tools either don't get the meaning and try to translate word by word, or use something like "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", which would be way of for this one.

And i add the fact that the survey has in more generic parts, words wrong too. Like it uses customer support as a translation for where it obviously means support, as a class role, or that tinker is in the header for the bard and prismatic deep dive pages.

If i combine that, the errors in the generic pages, but the culturally correct translations in the other parts, the perfectly semantic correct class describtion, this doesn't add up as a troll to me. If it is a troll, it has to be a german one that is very good, and that sends emails to people, like the people from pyromancers chat, which are in english instead of german?

Yeah, that doesn't add up to be a troll

[Nightshade711]

Like it uses customer support as a translation for where it obviously means support, as a class role, or that tinker is in the header for the bard and prismatic deep dive pages.

If it is a troll, it has to be a german one that is very good, and that sends emails to people, like the people from pyromancers chat, which are in english instead of german?

Yeah, that doesn't add up to be a troll

>Survey mislabels headers for bard/prismatic class.
>Very obvious mistranslations
>No official blizzard markings
“If it is a troll it is very good”
??

Hell even the image from the “survey” isn’t even using art from Warcraft. (Is that Brigette art even official blizzard art or just fan art? There’s not even a blizzard watermark on the original like there usually is)

Low effort troll is low effort. Please try again.

[Enrif]

Also, what about the M+ surveys, are they fake too?

[Wyrt]

yes. This text has phrases no english speaking person would translate the survey into german, unless they are german themselves or are hired by a german translation Company. In this case, using the phrase "Probieren geht über Studieren", is a very very german one. You can try to google a translation for that, but the closest meaning would be "learning by doing", but common translation tools either don't get the meaning and try to translate word by word, or use something like "the proof of the pudding is in the eating", which would be way of for this one.

And i add the fact that the survey has in more generic parts, words wrong too. Like it uses customer support as a translation for where it obviously means support, as a class role, or that tinker is in the header for the bard and prismatic deep dive pages.

If i combine that, the errors in the generic pages, but the culturally correct translations in the other parts, the perfectly semantic correct class describtion, this doesn't add up as a troll to me. If it is a troll, it has to be a german one that is very good, and that sends emails to people, like the people from pyromancers chat, which are in english instead of german?

Yeah, that doesn't add up to be a troll

If the survey was sent to people in English then we wouldn't be relying on translations from German.

[Enrif]

>Survey mislabels headers for bard/prismatic class.
>Very obvious mistranslations
>No official blizzard markings
“If it is a troll it is very good”
??

Hell even the image from the “survey” isn’t even using art from Warcraft. (Is that Brigette art even official blizzard art or just fan art? There’s not even a blizzard watermark on the original like there usually is)

You don't get it. There are "obvious mistranslations" in the generic parts of the survey. These are likely just auto translated. But the class specific translation, plus the parts that are likely in many german survey, have perfect translations? Yeah, that adds up as genuine.

[Nibelheimy]

While they have done that in the past, interviews about Augmentation's reveal suggest that they see such changes as a mistake they don't want to repeat, since it requires removing specs that people like. So I can't really see Dark Ranger being taken away, especially since Midnight would have been planned before Dark Ranger made it to release. And it does have her iconic stuff already.

Maybe they could use her more obscure stuff though, like when she fought Saurfang in melee with her dual swords? Actually, for that matter... all of these styles could have both melee and ranged aspects, can't they? Alleria was attacking in melee a lot in that animation she got around TWW's release, and there are Spellblades out there in addition to Spellbows. Maybe they could base a class like this around jumping between melee and ranged at different parts of their rotation? They could bring back the old ranged slot just for them too, and use a bow and two one-handers.

I'd agree fully if not for the fact that Dark Ranger is a hero talent, not a spec. They are not the same level of thing. Hero talents can and will be changed and may not even exist after this Saga. Abilities and features are pruned all the time. Most of the covenant spells? Gone. Some covenant spells did more for the class and rotation that some of the worse hero talents, and they are gone.

If Blizzard wanted to make a second ranged class for Midnight (which they may) and base it off of famous rangers who originate in the city we're re-visiting. They would and should have no issue removing the dark ranger hero talent from hunters, which was already an unusual lore decision anyway and a lot of players have voiced discontent with it, and move it into a new more suited ranger class. Classes evolve. Compare Shadowlands Blood DK and TWW Blood DK. They feel totally and tonally different. Why do I have a G'huun themed bloodbeast and no red eyes? Dunno. My vampire mist was cool though.

WoW isn't the game it was twenty years ago and Blizzard should feel more able to change things up as they want (and they will with the new saga) If they didn't get rid of Metamorphasis, we wouldn't have Demonology. The Demonology playstyle is loved by a lot of players.

[Enrif]

If the survey was sent to people in English then we wouldn't be relying on translations from German.

don't ask me why no english speaking people have leaked it yet. Perhaps they take the "this is confidential, don't share" thing seriously?

[Nightshade711]

Also, what about the M+ surveys, are they fake too?

I wonder why the M+ survey looks completely different from the “class survey”… especially if they supposedly came out around the same time.

[Wyrt]

don't ask me why no english speaking people have leaked it yet. Perhaps they take the "this is confidential, don't share" thing seriously?

The obvious answer is there was no survey to leak.

[Nightshade711]

If the survey was sent to people in English then we wouldn't be relying on translations from German.

You see blizzard is getting their survey translated to German, but then retranslated to English to send it out to the English users.
Who are able to tell us about it but never took a single screenshot of the survey.

[Enrif]

The obvious answer is there was no survey to leak.

Well, we don't know. I tried to look up a source from chromie.de, but they just state that the screenshots were send to them.

then i went to the youtube link for that article
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyNQwjpuXFw&t=9s

and i scrolled a bit through the comments.

And a user there said they had also a survey, but about housing.

Well, if this is true, there are multiple survey around. A class one, a housing one, a M+ one, maybe more. So the chances that a class survey is leaked, might be slim, if it doesn't went to people who are prone to sharing that.

[Nightshade711]

Well, we don't know. I tried to look up a source from chromie.de, but they just state that the screenshots were send to them.

The chromie.de screenshots don’t even follow the typical style for blizzard surveys.
Low effort troll is low effort, and you are incredibly gullible.