Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enrif]

The chromie.de screenshots don’t even follow the typical style for blizzard surveys.
Low effort troll is low effort, and you are incredibly gullible.

well, you can be skeptical. i can try to reach out to chromie.de and see what they have to say

[Nightshade711]

Here’s another example from past surveys.

[Enrif]

Here’s another example from past surveys.

do you have a german one?

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well, something interesting, i googled a bit around, and found this


A eu forum thread that asks about the validity of the survey in german, from 4 days ago

but if i click the link

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wo...klassen/293806

the thread is gone, and i don't find any thread about the class survey in german. If it would be fake, why would blizzard remove such a thread?

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Interestingly, the US forum post about the same thing is still live
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...sses/2027597/3

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oh, some interesting post of a user from the us thread:
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ses/2027597/57

I can’t say much…but don’t be so sure it’s fake. Keep in mind these are just ideas being spun, not developed classes (yet).

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ses/2027597/59

Again, don’t be sure it’s not real if you haven’t personally taken the survey. I will just say it didn’t just go to Germany.

[Nightshade711]

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Still a lot of “source: trust me bro” and zero actual evidence.
If so many people are getting the survey there should be at least one screenshot with the actual blizzard format.

[Enrif]

Still a lot of “source: trust me bro” and zero actual evidence.
If so many people are getting the survey there should be at least one screenshot with the actual blizzard format.

well, another user on the us forum
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/101

Yah…we all got the survey.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/102

I assumed everyone got the survey but no it’s very real. I filled it out yesterday and am personally hoping for the tinker class.

this makes it at least two different people in the US and the german source, and at least some people from pyromancers streams chat. Some of that could be same, sure, but i would err on that it's real.

[Nightshade711]

well, another user on the us forum
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/101

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...es/2027597/102


this makes it at least two different people in the US and the german source, and at least some people from pyromancers streams chat. Some of that could be same, sure, but i would err on that it's real.

Still waiting on those screenshots.
Anybody can say “Omg I got the survey!”

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, also thinking this is a troll, and a low effort one at that.

[Mecheon]

What if they're 4th specs? Some of these certainly seem that way.

Spellbreaker > Demon Hunter
Warden > Hunter
Leyweaver >Monk
Astrologian > Mage
Gunslinger > Rogue
Witch > Shaman
Prismatic > Evoker
Lancer> Warrior
Necromancer > Death Knight

etc.

Nah? They're all classes. Plus like, none of those fit. Like even the close ones in like, Witch, are more like druid than they are shaman.

Moreso from the back end they're seeing what people want from the class feel. Note a lot of the shorter stuff is stuff like Warden, Necromancer or Spellbreaker with the WC3 history. Its pretty clear they're comparing stuff like "Longer description classes noting how they fit into the Warcraft Universe" with stuff like Titanslayer or Leyweaver, flat out Warcraft 3 units with unique stuff in Warden and Spellbreaker, and standard concepts in the gun pair. Note also quite a few of them are two flavours of the same idea, like Artificer and Tinker being the same concept but expressed in different ways.

What would this class do though? Raise undead minions? Use shadow magic? Spread diseases?

Irrelevant as far as the survey is concerned. The question is "Would you like this class" per the information provided. That nitty gritty doesn't matter

They don’t need cloth though. Plenty of plate armor sets are robes.

Yeah nah DK is not filling the necromancer gap and would not if unholy was ranged. Necromancers don't clank around in plate, they're clothies.

Same with the spellbreaker idea, plate clad warriors wielding shields do not a third DH spec make

[Wyrt]

I don't know why people think Blizzard would add 4th specs. Not only is it a massive undertaking to add 12 new specs, but it would be a clusterfuck with hero talents. They'd either need to add 1 new hero talent set and rearrange the existing ones so each spec has 2 hero talents, or add enough hero talents for each spec to have 3.


The only times new specs have been added are when an existing spec was performing 2 different roles(druid) or when the class was shipped incomplete(evoker).

[Enrif]

I don't know why people think Blizzard would add 4th specs. Not only is it a massive undertaking to add 12 new specs, but it would be a clusterfuck with hero talents. They'd either need to add 1 new hero talent set and rearrange the existing ones so each spec has 2 hero talents, or add enough hero talents for each spec to have 3.


The only times new specs have been added are when an existing spec was performing 2 different roles(druid) or when the class was shipped incomplete(evoker).

Hero talents are indeed a break on the 4th spec idea. Well, unless we find a hero talent that doesn't make much sense for a spec, but would fit nicely with one of these new ones.

I can't think of an obvious one. Perhaps gunslinger for rogue that put trickster on gunslinger instead of outlaw and a new gunbased hero talent (gunner?) between outlaw and gunslinger.

[Teriz]

The irony is, Demon Hunters are pretty much spellbreakers.

I know. Sadly some folks refuse to believe the obvious.

[Wyrt]

Ah yes, these are clearly the same picture.

[Teriz]

Nah? They're all classes. Plus like, none of those fit. Like even the close ones in like, Witch, are more like druid than they are shaman.

Moreso from the back end they're seeing what people want from the class feel. Note a lot of the shorter stuff is stuff like Warden, Necromancer or Spellbreaker with the WC3 history. Its pretty clear they're comparing stuff like "Longer description classes noting how they fit into the Warcraft Universe" with stuff like Titanslayer or Leyweaver, flat out Warcraft 3 units with unique stuff in Warden and Spellbreaker, and standard concepts in the gun pair. Note also quite a few of them are two flavours of the same idea, like Artificer and Tinker being the same concept but expressed in different ways.

Except a Warden or Spellbreaker wouldn't fit the the thematic of a titan-themed expansion. Also Warden literally has Hunter in the description alongside examples of Hunter abilities.

Witch is definitely Shaman-based. I discussed this in the other thread, but if you run through talents and abilities, Shaman have more witch-associated attributes than any other class. In addition, the description mentions Hexes and Spirit Magic, which are Shamanistic traits. The mention of Gilenian Harvest Witches could also be an indication that Worgen are getting Shaman in a future expansion.

And yes, stuff like Artificer being mentioned alongside Tinker backs this theory up, because it is quite possible that Tinker is the class and Artificer is a spec or a Hero talent of the Tinker class.

Irrelevant as far as the survey is concerned. The question is "Would you like this class" per the information provided. That nitty gritty doesn't matter

Using a bunch of red herrings to mask the actual class contenders sounds about right to me.

Yeah nah DK is not filling the necromancer gap and would not if unholy was ranged. Necromancers don't clank around in plate, they're clothies.

DK has been filling the necromancer gap for years. Blizzard isn't going to bring in an entirely new class because some rabid fans prefer cloth robes to plate robes.

Same with the spellbreaker idea, plate clad warriors wielding shields do not a third DH spec make

And the same thing applies there as well. Consider the unlikeliness of Blizzard introducing another 2-spec elf-based melee class with glaives that just happens to wear plate instead of leather.

Now consider Blizzard making the Demon Hunter class more robust and interesting by offering it a support spec and another hero talent tree. The choice seems obvious.

[Mecheon]

I know. Sadly some folks refuse to believe the obvious.

Spellbreakers are plate-clad, shield wielding warriors. Demon Hunters they ain't.

Like, in my own 'classes for WoW' stuff I've merged Spellbreaker in with Spellblade/Battlemage as a general "Magic Swordsman" type class, but they don't flip around or double jump

[Wyrt]

Spellbreakers are plate-clad, shield wielding warriors. Demon Hunters they ain't.

Like, in my own 'classes for WoW' stuff I've merged Spellbreaker in with Spellblade/Battlemage as a general "Magic Swordsman" type class, but they don't flip around or double jump

Yeah, Spellbreaker can easily be alongside a Battlemage type. They're both arcane magic using melee fighters which is something we don't have in game yet.

They definitely aren't demon hunters.

[Teriz]

Spellbreakers are plate-clad, shield wielding warriors. Demon Hunters they ain't.

And Hunters wear mail armor and can't dual-wield 1h axes, yet they still got Rexxar's abilities and talents.

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Yeah, Spellbreaker can easily be alongside a Battlemage type. They're both arcane magic using melee fighters which is something we don't have in game yet.

They definitely aren't demon hunters.

Uh both Guardian Druids and Survival Hunters can perform Arcane melee thanks to their hero talents.

[Wyrt]

Uh both Guardian Druids and Survival Hunters can perform Arcane melee thanks to their hero talents.

Druids are Spellbreakers now? Maybe it'd be easier to list what isn't a Spellbreaker.

[Teriz]

Druids are Spellbreakers now? Maybe it'd be easier to list what isn't a Spellbreaker.

Where did I say they were spell breakers? I said that they can preform arcane melee, which contradicts your notion that it is absent from the class lineup.

[Wyrt]

Where did I say they were spell breakers? I said that they can preform arcane melee, which contradicts your notion that it is absent from the class lineup.

Druids are a nature class, not an arcane class.

[Teriz]

Druids are a nature class, not an arcane class.

You do know that one of their core abilities (Moonfire) is an arcane spell correct?

Did you also know that one of the Guardian hero talent trees revolves around Moonfire and Lunar Beam (another arcane spell)?