Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

Again asserting your baseless opinion as fact. Where's your supposed "polls"? You're making the claim. The burden of proof is on you. And don't think cherry picking a few polls on MMO proves your point. Tell us what's the most popular AR? And even then you'll still be wrong because guess what? Earthen were a thing and no one asked for that.

"Those are just opinions!"
"No, there have literally been polls"
"Show me those polls! Also those polls don't count!!! Also no objective data on popularity doesn't matter because they might not act on it anyway!"

I don't... You recognize that you're just undermining your own position at this point right? "Blizzard could do random things no one asked for" is not supporting your argument that X race is guaranteed. It is blatant evidence against anything being guaranteed.

IF (and big if)

So... not guaranteed?

[Cheezits]

Speculation? Speculation thread for SPECULATING future content?

I still believe that High Elf will become a race in Midnight completely separate from Void Elf, possibly through a Neutral Thalassian race that can choose to be Alliance or Horde. They will need to have a shit ton of High Elves and I really doubt they will continue just spamming barber shopped Velves and ancient Wrath models.

If they are focusing on Ethereals as the main sale race then Helf will just be part of a new racial revamp. Maybe tied to how Amani will inevitably be playable in some way (new body type for Trolls?)

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Personally I don't want Farronir. I think the Ascended Nerubians would be better, plus they would be the first invertebrate race.

Regardless of what would be a better race we got Earthen and Haronir because they don't require new animations. I still think we will get Ascended eventually but they like the Ethereals take more time to animate. They've spent a silly amount of effort animating the Ascended already, arguably a suspicious amount of effort for a mob race.

[Jaggler]

Speculation? Speculation thread for SPECULATING future content?

I still believe that High Elf will become a race in Midnight completely separate from Void Elf, possibly through a Neutral Thalassian race that can choose to be Alliance or Horde. They will need to have a shit ton of High Elves and I really doubt they will continue just spamming barber shopped Velves and ancient Wrath models.

If they are focusing on Ethereals as the main sale race then Helf will just be part of a new racial revamp. Maybe tied to how Amani will inevitably be playable in some way (new body type for Trolls?)

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Regardless of what would be a better race we got Earthen and Haronir because they don't require new animations. I still think we will get Ascended eventually but they like the Ethereals take more time to animate. They've spent a silly amount of effort animating the Ascended already, arguably a suspicious amount of effort for a mob race.

A High Elven AR seems stupid, considering you can already play a High Elf on both Alliance and Horde.

[Foolicious]

A little silly theory, then:

• Five Old Gods arrived on Azeroth to corrupt it.
• Five Naaru were sent by Elune to protect it from the Void. One for each Old God. The Beledar and its Naaru arrived nearby Xal'atath underneath what is today known as Khaz Algar, while the others were sent to other locations around Azeroth.
• Four of the five Naaru were corrupted and fell to darkness, leaving only the one inside the Beledar.
• Xal'atath, the 5th Old God, eventually gained control of the Beledar, but was abruptly slain by her brothers. For now, the Naaru inside the Beledar was safe.
• The Titans arrived and locked everything down. Worldsoul, Old Gods, and everything. The Titanforged did encounter the Beledar when constructing the Coreway, but everything was just covered up and left alone.
• Xal'atath, her essence preserved inside the Black Blade of the Empire, eventually made her way to the surface from below the sea. The Sundering helped, as that shifted the landscape around.
• Now, Xal'atath is intent on turning the Beledar to the darkness again, thus allowing her to awaken herself (resurrect).

What if it is the other way around? The earthen that gained free will and turned against the titans were turned into crystal by azeroth. Not too far fetched to think that some old god burrowed too deep and was turned into a naaru.

[Nymrohd]

To me High Elves and Forest Trolls are the easiest of wins for Blizzard in Midnight.
The first requires almost no effort, the second we can assume will have to be developed anyway. The first is easily the most requested Alliance race, the second is probably top five Horde race (I assume Ogres are higher, Naga are probably quite high as well).

[Scyth]

A High Elven AR seems stupid, considering you can already play a High Elf on both Alliance and Horde.

It's never enough for the Helf fanbase unfortunately.
Current customisation makes it possible to look like one in all but name, but that's not enough to satisfy that crowd.

I also think it would be stupid if they made another Belf variant available, however, they also must know how much money they'd make off of Helf fans switching races which is why I can never rule it out completely.

[Eldryth]

Honestly, the one High Elf thing that's glaringly missing is the tattoos/war paint they sometimes have. It'd be great to get access to those, but I'd be fine with it just being added options for Blood and Void Elves. It's such an important part of Alleria's design in particular- both before and after her redesign- and it makes the race look a lot better, but we can't use anything like it.

[Raetary]

MN will reunite the Elves, so just make them neutral, combine Velf/Belf options into a single category and then just add a couple war paints and tats.
Then either design brand new racials, or let us choose from the existing pool.

Everyone is happy, world peace is achieved.

[Limayria]

MN will reunite the Elves, so just make them neutral, combine Velf/Belf options into a single category and then just add a couple war paints and tats.
Then either design brand new racials, or let us choose from the existing pool.

Everyone is happy, world peace is achieved.

And give us a void spec for demon hunters to help integrate it into this change, as we'd know have the option of void elf demon hunters

[Polybius]

MN will reunite the Elves, so just make them neutral, combine Velf/Belf options into a single category and then just add a couple war paints and tats.
Then either design brand new racials, or let us choose from the existing pool.

Everyone is happy, world peace is achieved.

Most allied races should be consolidated. It's bemusing seeing Kul Tiran humans tagged as Kul Tiran, Zandalari Trolls as Zandalari, etc, etc.

Speaking of customization. Has anyone seen the PTR size potions? Maybe they're testing the waters for permanent size options later on?

[Al Gorefiend]

Orcs are the second most popular race on the horde, what?

The gap between 1st and 2nd place is fairly large

[Cheezits]

Part of me thinks a racial revamp is inevitable. Another part of me thinks that them buffing the shitty racials this expansion means they have no plans to.

I will say them pushing High Elves and Ethereals at the same time does point towards some kind of "changeup" on the usual content release as they never have done ARs AND a new race before.

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A High Elven AR seems stupid, considering you can already play a High Elf on both Alliance and Horde.

You can, but both of them are ex-High Elves that went in one direction or another with heavy plot baggage as to why they did. In the case of the Void Elves a large portion are half void-monster. Think LFD vs Draenei.

People just want to be a Thalassian without plot baggage who looks more like Alleria and doesn't have to go to the barber shop to larp as a normal elf. Given how they are basically hiding away Vereesa (the face of the Silver Covenant) I have a feeling they will be a huge focus soon, and thus likely a big feature in Midnight.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The five lights and the Old Gods are the same entities, and something we "know" isn't exactly right. i.e. the Old Gods spent some time as the super-naaru who taught about the Light. They arrived in light-mode and the titans injured them trying to rip them out and lied about it, or they were still originally parasite asteroids but Elune or some other force flipped them for some time.

Most of these I hate, but I do like the idea of the old gods being parallel to or even divided from Light-associated deities, cf. Skeksis and Mystics from the urSkeks

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I have to imagine Blizzard knew that the community would speculate of another Old God when they drew that image (the Old Gods in the corner, and the unidentified one) for Chronicle.

I mean, you could argue they were just drawing whatever looks cool and fits the aesthetic of Old Gods (tentacles and such) but in an image specifically around the Old Gods positioned at different corners... adding what is clearly not an established Old God at one of the corners? Cooooome ooooon, they knew it would be received as such.

Which leads me to believe a red herring is being used here.

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If you guys want a popular race make it attractive.

If you guys want an ugly/animal race don't expect it to be popular

Bestial looking races do not have to be attractive, nor off putting to look out. I think of the saberon or the arrakoa that definitely resemble their respective feline and avian inspirations, but "attractive" or "easy on the eyes" is generally subjective.

Perhaps I just want a playable arrakoa race.

[Gurahk]

The gap between 1st and 2nd place is fairly large

Does that make them unpopular?

[Al Gorefiend]

Does that make them unpopular?

Well if you add up everyone playing orc, Tauren, troll, goblin it is close to equal to the number of people playing Blood Elf

[Gurahk]

Well if you add up everyone playing orc, Tauren, troll, goblin it is close to equal to the number of people playing Blood Elf

The argument was that no one was playing orc because they were "ugly", yet we see that orcs are only slightly behind humans and is the fourth overall most popular race. This is an argument made in bad faith because then that'd just imply all races are unpopular unless they're number one (including ones that are behind orcs such as void elves).
Also FYI, at max level, orcs trolls and tauren together already make a slightly bigger number than blood elves.

[production]

I've considered the possibility of Old Gods being transformed from something else, such as Naaru. Or that we've been altered to view them as slimeballs.

This would involve all those "sleepers shall awaken" lines.

But I'm not sure how it'd fit with general theme over the years, that the Light tends to aid Life and Order in various conflicts. They seem to be a bit aligned.

Would the Titans screw over the Naaru so badly?

They can go all in on the weird implications of the cosmic struggle before Azeroth is born/purified. (I assume the Worldsoul saga ends in some kind of semi-reset; the planet doesn't explode, but she at least rebukes all the god-beings that have been trying to capture her.)

Y'aga <Bestower of Mortality> shows up at the Temple of Storms to congratulate your raid group for beating up Norgannon, but Illidan blasts him with eyebeams mid-speech while the ghost of Sargeras nods approvingly.

Denathrius leads an army of Dreadlords to kill the moon, but he's revealed to be Sylvanas in disguise at their moment of triumph, and they all get killed by wisps. Eonar and Elune buy a practical ranch house.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

To me High Elves and Forest Trolls are the easiest of wins for Blizzard in Midnight.
The first requires almost no effort, the second we can assume will have to be developed anyway. The first is easily the most requested Alliance race, the second is probably top five Horde race (I assume Ogres are higher, Naga are probably quite high as well).

Give void elves some tattoos and a toggle for the purple effect and there high elves. There’s no need to add them as a race and cost the alliance a race slot while the horde get a new model with the bulky trolls.

[Nymrohd]

Give void elves some tattoos and a toggle for the purple effect and there high elves. There’s no need to add them as a race and cost the alliance a race slot while the horde get a new model with the bulky trolls.

And what would it be for the Alliance? I know so many different races I'd like to see in the Horde (they still don't even have Ogres!!!) but Alliance seems pretty damn complete.