Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Khaza-R]

It seems like, if the oldest evidence suggests it's an Azerite crystal*, AND it's very much like other giant light/void crystal ships we've seen... the next question to ask is: is Genedar an Argunite crystal? Did the naaru find it, come from it, were they drawn toward it, etc.?

We don't know about Genedar but Xenedar was 100% made of Argunite. One would assume Genedar would be the same. But it could poentially be made of another crystalized worldsoul essence. Not impossible to believe that Naaru make these ships out of Azerite equivalents and traverse the universe in them.

[Joshuaj]

Why do you go on with your light/draenei/naaru theories when it says in game that it's got nothing to do with it?

Beledar is a crystallized soul fragment of the worldsoul. I think it's pretty clear that it's not a Naaru ship or a portal for a draenei from another timeline AND another planet, since this has been denied.

It was a good idea, a very good one indeed (Naaru ship, not Yrel), but too obvious. It's much more complex and mysterious than that, and I really like the direction it's taking.

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The radiant song comes from the worldsoul. Anduin wonders if it came from Beledar at some point, as he feels a similarity to it (normal, since it's a soul fragment from the worldsoul).

Anyway, from our point of view, we've known it since the cinematics, but the WoW characters haven't. That's pretty bad writing.

I think it being a Worldsoul crystal that was infused by a Naaru or so would make sense.

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It being a Worldsoul crystal is already a thing, so the idea that, long ago, a Naaru infused itself with the world crystal would make for a killer reveal.

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We don't know about Genedar but Xenedar was 100% made of Argunite. One would assume Genedar would be the same. But it could poentially be made of another crystalized worldsoul essence. Not impossible to believe that Naaru make these ships out of Azerite equivalents and traverse the universe in them.

Light infused Worldsoul crystals

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I'm confused, so it's exactly what the game says it is but it's also mysterious?

The fact that it is named like a Draenei/Naaru ship, covered in runes, and cycles between Light and Void like the Naaru implies more than "it's an Azeroth crystal" IMO. And the Archaedas recordings never confirmed what the giant crystals are, it was a theory from them.

Light. Infused. Worldsoul. Crystal.

Y'all, connect the dots here!

[Limayria]

I could see Beledar being a naaru or other light being that was helping maintain the manifold prison that azeorth encased in crystal and ejected like a cyst

[Jaggler]

I think it being a Worldsoul crystal that was infused by a Naaru or so would make sense.

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It being a Worldsoul crystal is already a thing, so the idea that, long ago, a Naaru infused itself with the world crystal would make for a killer reveal.

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Light infused Worldsoul crystals

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Light. Infused. Worldsoul. Crystal.

Y'all, connect the dots here!

What if we got it backwards. What if Naaru ships in general are similar crystals from other world souls which got "repurposed".

[milkmustache]

And Archaedas himself says he doesn't know why he's writing this information down at the risk of it being discovered by mortals/earthens. He was clearly not supposed to reveal this information, which seems to be the true version of things.

You know, like the part with Anduin wondering if the radiant song he's hearing is from Beledar because he senses similarities? This strongly confirms the Titans' observations on the origin of the crystals.

But again, I disagree. Your interpretation is Archaedes' confusion about sharing this detail equates to him being truthful. I'd argue that it's the opposite, as we are well aware of the Titan's ability to program thoughts into their titanforged. Over the course of the past two expansions we have been fed breadcrumbs about the dishonesty and secrecy of the Titans. I see no reason to believe them at the moment.

I had hoped by this point we would get a little more information on Siren Isle to help us piece together things about Beledar, but that seems further off. I truly think that Beledar is far more Light related than Worldsoul related. Sure, Light infused worldsoul crystal is possible, maybe that is how the Naaru stake their claims across various worlds, as they did with Argunite for the Xenedar.

But it would be a horrible use of Beledar for it not to be related to the Light. Everything we've known about the Light and the Naaru going back to Burning Crusade implies that Beledar has at least something to do with the Light. To subvert all that and just call it a worldsoul fragment is a horrible usage of Beledar.

[Foolicious]

You know, like the part with Anduin wondering if the radiant song he's hearing is from Beledar because he senses similarities? This strongly confirms the Titans' observations on the origin of the crystals.

Wouldn't the song from beledar need to be the same as azeroths for a confirmation? Im pretty sure the implication from anduin and the siren isle is that they are not a part of azeroth and are simply repeating/echoing the song for some reason.

[Joshuaj]

What if we got it backwards. What if Naaru ships in general are similar crystals from other world souls which got "repurposed".

That's what I'm thinking lol. Don't know if I'm one of the folks that got it backwards tho.

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I could see Beledar being a naaru or other light being that was helping maintain the manifold prison that azeorth encased in crystal and ejected like a cyst

Why would a Naaru help out the Titans mission on Azeroth? Unless it's confirmed the Light aided the Order Pantheon in some way back in the day, I don't think this is the case.

[Limayria]

That's what I'm thinking lol. Don't know if I'm one of the folks that got it backwards tho.

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Why would a Naaru help out the Titans mission on Azeroth? Unless it's confirmed the Light aided the Order Pantheon in some way back in the day, I don't think this is the case.

I'm pretty sure the titans and the light are working together considering they share the "one true timeline" ideology

[milkmustache]

That's what I'm thinking lol. Don't know if I'm one of the folks that got it backwards tho.

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Why would a Naaru help out the Titans mission on Azeroth? Unless it's confirmed the Light aided the Order Pantheon in some way back in the day, I don't think this is the case.

I do like the idea of Naaru repurposing things. It kind of fits with the path of the Light. Reforging, making a new, giving the gift a la Illidan and Xera.

I like to think that a part of the TLT conspiracy will be that the Titans and the Light both work hand in hand for dominance of various world souls, or something along the line, so I think there's a possibility there of the two working together, though I'm not sure that will be the purpose of Beledar.

[Ersula]

Hard to say. It was last seen in Ny'alotha, so presumably N'zoth would be in possession of it assuming he survived.

Was the idea that Wrathion intended to use the dagger to kill nzoth or trap him inside it? Either way after the heart of azeroth brain blast I don't think he would just leave the dagger behind.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

So someone on r/wow pointed out that this kind of sounds like Beledar.

https://i.redd.it/e80gimf6c0ee1.png

What are we thinking? If it's true, is "Army of Light in stasis" back on the menu?

Only real similarity is that there big crystals and right after that’s mentioned in the story it’s pointed out that it’s not a real thing a and just a lie made up by the void.

[Joshuaj]

I'm pretty sure the titans and the light are working together considering they share the "one true timeline" ideology

Possibly, but I have another idea. It is entirely possible that, before the Titans found Azeroth, the Light battled the Void on the planet and ultimately lost. However, right before they retreated or so, the Light ensured that some of its influence remained on the planet VIA having some of the Naaru infuse themselves within Worldsoul Crystals. One of these crystals would ultimately become Beledar. This would explain both Azeroth's songs coming from the crystal, it being called a "Naaru Crystal" in early developer notes, it being named akin to a Naaru ship, and the way it acts (Since it very much acts like how the Light functioned in the early stages of the Dark Beyond, where its energies served as sources for life to flourish on worlds and whatnot).

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I do like the idea of Naaru repurposing things. It kind of fits with the path of the Light. Reforging, making a new, giving the gift a la Illidan and Xera.

I like to think that a part of the TLT conspiracy will be that the Titans and the Light both work hand in hand for dominance of various world souls, or something along the line, so I think there's a possibility there of the two working together, though I'm not sure that will be the purpose of Beledar.

Light's Pantheon and Order's Pantheon working together would make sense, 100%. Heck, Elune worked with both the Titans and the Light, and the Primus has memories of the Titans and knows of Elune's role in the cosmos, would only make sense for Light, Death, Life, and Order to work with eachother in that regard.

Heck, Life, Order, and Light working together could explain Mu'sha, An'she, and Lo'sho.

How? Simple. I think they're Naaru. Not only that, I think they were sent to protect Azeroth's Sun and Moons for a specific purpose. What purpose? Dunno, but I have a tinfoil hat theory in mind. And if you're wondering, yes, I do think us going to Azeroths Sun and Moons would make for a killer expansion.

[Sondrelk]

Was the idea that Wrathion intended to use the dagger to kill nzoth or trap him inside it? Either way after the heart of azeroth brain blast I don't think he would just leave the dagger behind.

There wasn't really a plan being shown. We just happen to acquire the knife from Azshara after we free her, then use it hoping it works.

Maybe that was Wrathions idea of what would happen. But going by what we see in game, and assuming N'zoth assumed he might be defeated. The most likely explanation of what happens is that N'zoth manipulated the Horde champion into giving the knife to Sylvanas, knowing it would eventually end up with Azshara, then to Ny'alotha when he inevitably captured her.
N'zoth was after all insistent that the empty knife was left with him. And he did explicitly manipulate the horde champion to give it to Sylvanas. The going theory is that N'zoth is inside the knife, but with more freedom to do what he wants compared to Xal'atath who was fully trapped.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

N'zoth was after all insistent that the empty knife was left with him. And he did explicitly manipulate the horde champion to give it to Sylvanas. The going theory is that N'zoth is inside the knife, but with more freedom to do what he wants compared to Xal'atath who was fully trapped.

A story thread that Blizzard hopefully doesn't drop altogether.
Of all the narrative stumbles Blizzard seemingly realized and attempted to rectify later on (Illidan, for example) I still feel that N'Zoth has been the loudest criticism in terms of fumbling major characters, in terms of killing them off. Perhaps Garrosh is the biggest, actually.

Planting seeds of N'Zoth still being out there, active, and having influence (time travel quest in Dragonflight, for example) seems like a really dumb thing to do if they do not intend to bring him back ever.

[Raetary]

Beledar is a crystallized soul fragment of the worldsoul. I think it's pretty clear that it's not a Naaru ship.

Archaedas isn't the only source we have on Beledars origins.
The entire premise of the Hallowfall expedition revolves around a holy vision about a falling star, that the expedition was sent out to find.
Their theology explains it coming from beyond Azeroth, contradicting the Archive message.

Beledar also does not look even remotely like any pure Azerite crystal we have seen.
It's not jagged, only ever appears as a crystal while Azerite can be any state of matter, it also lacks the distinct yellow-blue gradient that makes Azeroths power stand out visually.

It's a perfectly cut crystal, covered in Naaru runes from top to bottom and is very obviously designed to look like it crashed through the ceiling.

So no, it's not clear.

What is clear is that there is some as of yet to be discovered connection between Azerite and the crystal.
Even Anduin commented on that, saying that whatever the radiant fragments in the Arathis keyflames are, its not Azerite but something close to it.

[Enrif]

And here we can circle back to the shards of light origin story in chronicles. The largest shards became world souls, while smaller one became naaru. This would align Beledar and Azeroth and explain why they are similar but distinct.

[Ersula]

Archaedas isn't the only source we have on Beledars origins.
The entire premise of the Hallowfall expedition revolves around a holy vision about a falling star, that the expedition was sent out to find.
Their theology explains it coming from beyond Azeroth, contradicting the Archive message.

I see wowpedia calls it that, but I can't find anywhere where Emperor Theodin refers to it as a fallen star or that it comes from space. They call it a star, as it being a source of light, but the "Emperor's Vision" is stated plainly:

"Brave souls, heed the Sacred Flame's call to voyage beyond the Storming Sea and Titan's Isle. A radiant light shall beckon. Face the trials of Hallowfall; let the Sacred Flame's unwavering faith be your anchor."

No real reason to think it came from space. Any reference to it being a "Fallen Star" is synonymous with a "Fallen Paladin" meaning corruption. They call it a fallen star when it shifts into shadow mode, not that it came from space.

[Joshuaj]

Archaedas isn't the only source we have on Beledars origins.
The entire premise of the Hallowfall expedition revolves around a holy vision about a falling star, that the expedition was sent out to find.
Their theology explains it coming from beyond Azeroth, contradicting the Archive message.

Beledar also does not look even remotely like any pure Azerite crystal we have seen.
It's not jagged, only ever appears as a crystal while Azerite can be any state of matter, it also lacks the distinct yellow-blue gradient that makes Azeroths power stand out visually.

It's a perfectly cut crystal, covered in Naaru runes from top to bottom and is very obviously designed to look like it crashed through the ceiling.

So no, it's not clear.

What is clear is that there is some as of yet to be discovered connection between Azerite and the crystal.
Even Anduin commented on that, saying that whatever the radiant fragments in the Arathis keyflames are, its not Azerite but something close to it.

Why can't both be right?

It begins as a Worldsoul crystal, and then a Naaru infused itself with the crystal, becoming what we see now.

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Boom. This explains Archaedas's message, as well as the Hallowfall visions!

[Sondrelk]

Archaedas isn't the only source we have on Beledars origins.
The entire premise of the Hallowfall expedition revolves around a holy vision about a falling star, that the expedition was sent out to find.
Their theology explains it coming from beyond Azeroth, contradicting the Archive message.

Beledar also does not look even remotely like any pure Azerite crystal we have seen.
It's not jagged, only ever appears as a crystal while Azerite can be any state of matter, it also lacks the distinct yellow-blue gradient that makes Azeroths power stand out visually.

It's a perfectly cut crystal, covered in Naaru runes from top to bottom and is very obviously designed to look like it crashed through the ceiling.

So no, it's not clear.

What is clear is that there is some as of yet to be discovered connection between Azerite and the crystal.
Even Anduin commented on that, saying that whatever the radiant fragments in the Arathis keyflames are, its not Azerite but something close to it.

That's assuming the Arathi are not misinterpreting stuff. We know many assume the radiant song comes from the Beledar, when we the players know it comes from Azeroths itself (barring there being several different sources).
It's also a vague prophecy anyways, not a definite thing the Arathi literally saw happen. Could easily be that the Arathi will find a crashed Naaru ship sometimes during Midnight, and that will more literally be a "fallen star".

[Joshuaj]

The Naaru would be the "falling star" in this scenario.

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That's assuming the Arathi are not misinterpreting stuff. We know many assume the radiant song comes from the Beledar, when we the players know it comes from Azeroths itself (barring there being several different sources).
It's also a vague prophecy anyways, not a definite thing the Arathi literally saw happen. Could easily be that the Arathi will find a crashed Naaru ship sometimes during Midnight, and that will more literally be a "fallen star".

The Naaru are depicted as "falling stars". As I've said, a Naaru probably fell from the Beyond or so, and infused itself with one of Azeroths crystals (either to preserve its essence, or aid in spreading the Light's influence on the Worldsoul).