Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[milkmustache]

Right?

I would frigging love an underground and modern take on Un'goro / Scholazar / Zuldazar.

Come to think of it, it looks like a pretty dark scene around Orweyna when she's carrying out some type of ritualistic dance underneath the roots in the cinematic.

Perhaps the zone is all glowy and lit up by strange mushrooms and stuff. Could be a fun twist. The roots/mushrooms/thorns/orange leaves zone. Like a murky forest in the autumn.

They also have large ears and transform into bats, which is another indicator that their home might be dark and largely dependant on sound.

My ideal Rootlands is a bioluminescent cave intersection of the Razorfens and the various forests Drustvar. I think it'd be really cool to make it quite a hostile environment that these people revere.

[Cheezits]

My ideal Rootlands is a bioluminescent cave intersection of the Razorfens and the various forests Drustvar. I think it'd be really cool to make it quite a hostile environment that these people revere.

Maybe the roots grew into thorns around the "heart" to protect it, in response to Aman'thul attempting to destroy it? If it truly is a lore origin for the Krauls that would be a hell of a reveal.

[Enrif]

Seems many people don't know why razorfen has thornvines?

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Agamaggan

The razorfens are the remains of the wild god Agamaggan, after he died in the war of the ancients

[Enrif]

I think it's perfectly fine if they add additional lore to individual Wild Gods, for example that Agamaggan could be a guardian of the roots of Elun'ahir originally.

Then we would see anything resembling quillboars down there, or other boar related stuff. But we saw that on Kul'Tiras, not Khaz Algar. Unless we humor that the Haranir are quillboar related.

[Cheezits]

Then we would see anything resembling quillboars down there, or other boar related stuff. But we saw that on Kul'Tiras, not Khaz Algar. Unless we humor that the Haranir are quillboar related.

That was the idea, yes. They look somewhere between Nelf and Troll, but they also have quills and a vine/thorn theme, enough to bring the quillboar into question.

[Enrif]

That was the idea, yes. They look somewhere between Nelf and Troll, but they also have quills and a vine/thorn theme, enough to bring the quillboar into question.

Well, perhaps. We have also to consider we don't know where trolls came from. They are a native species to Azeroth, but what were their ancestors? It could very well be, that trolls are related to quillboars. If this would be the case, we could trace back all native races of azeroth back to the wild gods, as far as we know, and thus back to the cosmic forces of Life, as the wild gods are part of that.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

The official Warcraft X account posted a nice “ad” for Undermine, even saying at the end “ come TODAY”. I thought for a moment they were going to drop the patch like that, but apparently not. They haven't even given a date.

False advertising!

[Foolicious]

I'm still not sold on the worldsoul being calcified planet essence. The crystal is not part of the manifold. Its not being monitored. There are no Earthern in Hallowfall, and the ones that were in the past, seemed to only want to trade. The path from Dornogal, through the ringing deeps, stops as it enters Hallowfall. Why? Was there just a big order to ignore giant worldsoul essence? We know exactly what it is and don't need anybody near it or anything? Bizarre.

If the theater event is at least a bit trustworthy hallowfall was known to the earthen as a hostile place long ago. With beledar either having much more frequent void states or maybe even being permanent in the void state back then. Just like they never ventured into azj'kahet because of the nerubians they didn't in hallowfall because of the void monsters lurking beneath the cliffs.

It's still a bit odd i agree, but hard to say if there was more than brinthe tells us. Because she easily could have forgotten why they never cared about the crystal.

[Viridiel]

It's probably a giant luminescent flower. A giant flower was mentioned in a nerubian text somewhere and we know from Amirdrassil that world trees are connected to magic giant flower blooms.

"The Cradle" that the Haranir all returned to may even be a literal cradle for said giant flower bloom if it's Elun'ahir trying to regrow.

I keep seeing reference to this text mentioning a giant flower but I haven't managed to find it. Where is it supposed to be?

[Ersula]

The official Warcraft X account posted a nice “ad” for Undermine, even saying at the end “ come TODAY”. I thought for a moment they were going to drop the patch like that, but apparently not. They haven't even given a date.

False advertising!

it's a safe bet 11.1 comes out when the time walking event ends, last week of February. The prospect of the patch dropping the third week of ptr testing is basically insane.

[username993720]

And Umbric, Erazmin, Geya'rah, Brinthe, etc have not.

So, you think Ethereals wouldn't appear in cutscenes?

[huth]

It's still a bit odd i agree, but hard to say if there was more than brinthe tells us. Because she easily could have forgotten why they never cared about the crystal.

One charge from the engine lasts them about 5000 years. It's quite possible she never knew in the first place, she wasn't "alive" during the time of the Thraegar.

[Enrif]

If the theater event is at least a bit trustworthy hallowfall was known to the earthen as a hostile place long ago. With beledar either having much more frequent void states or maybe even being permanent in the void state back then. Just like they never ventured into azj'kahet because of the nerubians they didn't in hallowfall because of the void monsters lurking beneath the cliffs.

It's still a bit odd i agree, but hard to say if there was more than brinthe tells us. Because she easily could have forgotten why they never cared about the crystal.

i guess you talk about the Thraegar story of the theater?

The Thraegar's Descent
Act I: Sonnebrid's Call
Prepare for your great adventure to the Heart of Azeroth!

Saddle as many cloudrooks as possible
Gather as much cinderbrew as possible
Say goodbye to as many civilians as possible
Rabaan says: And now we begin our play to honor the thraegar--heroes lost to time but not forgotten!
Sonnebrid says: I hear a call from deep in the earth. It strengthens me. I must go to it!

Act II: Dangers of the Deep
Fend off the angry kobolds in the Ringing Deeps!

Protect the adventuring party from Kobolds
Sonnebrid says: Now we venture into the Ringing Deeps. The Machine Speakers will neither help nor hinder us.
Earthen Adventurer says: These kobolds cannot keep us from our mission.
Earthen Adventurer says: We must press on! Keep marching, earthen!

Act III: Plunged Into Darkness
Stay close to the light, lest the darkness of Hallowfall consume you!

Stay within the light
Sonnebrid says: The canyons in Hallowfall are getting darker. But the song is getting stronger. We must light the way!
Sonnebrid yells: Stay close to the light!
Earthen Adventurer yells: Keep that light lit, or the darkness will take us!
Earthen Adventurer yells: Who put the lights out?
Earthen Adventurer yells: Quick, re-light the torch!

Finale: A Thraegar's Fate
Battle the nerubians of Azj'kahet, and go down in a blaze of glory!

Die valiantly at the hands of the nerubians
Sonnebrid says: The song is louder still! But the nerubians... there are so many!
Sonnebrid says: I must heed the call!
Sonnebrid yells: Arghhh! We are all slain!
Sonnebrid yells: But I... will still die... a thraegar.
If the adventurer decides not to play along:

Sonnebrid yells: Ahem! I said... we are all slain!
Adventurer gets hit in the head with a rock and drops to the ground.
Take a Bow
Join the crew and take a bow!

Take a bow
Rabaan says: And so the thraegar's adventure ended before they reached the bottom of the Coreway.
Rabaan says: But with this play we honor the memory of the thraegar and the call they heed.

The immportant part is this here:

Stay within the light
Sonnebrid says: The canyons in Hallowfall are getting darker. But the song is getting stronger. We must light the way!
Sonnebrid yells: Stay close to the light!
Earthen Adventurer yells: Keep that light lit, or the darkness will take us!
Earthen Adventurer yells: Who put the lights out?
Earthen Adventurer yells: Quick, re-light the torch!

What i read out of this is, that the Canyons specifically, those near to the water and the light of beledar doesn't reach, is dangerous. We also have to remember that the towers made by the Arathi are rather recent, and spread the light further into hallowfall, which wasn't the case back than likely, thus more dark canyons and caves.
And given that the theater play calls out to "stay within in the light", it is likely that the light of beledar was still there back then, but not spread to the darker corners.

Interestingly, it also calls out the lamplighters in away with "keeping the light lit" and "re-light the torch", which matches their towers in a way. Speaking of... how many Lamplighter Towers are in Hallowfall? It doesn't happen to be 5 does it?

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There are 7 Lamplighter Towers, plus one building with the same tip in Mereldar. So it doesn't match up with the 5 torches whisper.

[huth]

And given that the theater play calls out to "stay within in the light", it is likely that the light of beledar was still there back then, but not spread to the darker corners.

Interestingly, it also calls out the lamplighters in away with "keeping the light lit" and "re-light the torch", which matches their towers in a way. Speaking of... how many Lamplighter Towers are in Hallowfall? It doesn't happen to be 5 does it?

Do remember that's the artists interpretation of things. They may well just be talking about the literal torches.

[Jolly Roger]

i mean the memory disc weekly shows we were lied to about the thraegar. the keeper did not like that they were "mutated" and wanted to eliminate them and wipe the memories of the earthen.

i think the plays are important and when seen through the lense of "this is propaganda" we see what it was really like.

the keeper that was so loving to the earthen? their warden
the keeper that was a tyrant? he let his mask slip
the earthen that got killed by natives on a foreign island? probably still alive

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If the theater event is at least a bit trustworthy hallowfall was known to the earthen as a hostile place long ago. With beledar either having much more frequent void states or maybe even being permanent in the void state back then. Just like they never ventured into azj'kahet because of the nerubians they didn't in hallowfall because of the void monsters lurking beneath the cliffs.

It's still a bit odd i agree, but hard to say if there was more than brinthe tells us. Because she easily could have forgotten why they never cared about the crystal.

i think the time the void creatures were so prevalant was likely around the end of the war with the black empire.

while the old gods seem to have servants i think the void is just essentially full of crazy monstersvthatvwouldnt obey anyways. There are plenty of examples of void creatures that have no tie to the enemies have faced.

also locus walker is a traitor and weirdly an ethereal with a still fleshy body

[Enrif]

Do remember that's the artists interpretation of things. They may well just be talking about the literal torches.

It could be both. Earthen can be paladins, so they have a connection to the light. The light to to shine in a dark cave, and the Light to hold the Void at bay. Double meaning.

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also locus walker is a traitor and weirdly an ethereal with a still fleshy body

Locus-Walker isn't fleshy. He share the same model as the other void ethereal from argus

Locus-Walker:
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=214657/locus-walker

Bosses from the Seat of the Triumvirate:
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=122316/saprish
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=124309/viceroy-nezhar

[KOUNTERPARTS]

So is Xal'atath enlisting/hiring Gallywix to fix the broken Dark Heart for her? In return he is able to utilize the black blood as a power source for goblin tech?

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also locus walker is a traitor and weirdly an ethereal with a still fleshy body

A traitor to whom?

[milkmustache]

So is Xal'atath enlisting/hiring Gallywix to fix the broken Dark Heart for her? In return he is able to utilize the black blood as a power source for goblin tech?

Seems to bethat way. A bit of a step down from her relationship with the Nerubians, as that one was more a promise of power compared to this one's proper exchange. I'd expect there to be more going on with it in typical Xal'atath fashion that we won't really see until 11.1.5.

It's interesting because unlike the Kaheti, the Darkfuse (if that's the correct name) don't seem to pose a threat to any civilization, not even Goblins. They don't seem to be footsoldiers or even fueling the war machine similar to the Blackfuse in WoD, just up to their own nefarious deeds. So where's the catch? Are they doing tests of black blood fueling for the Ethereals? Is there alleigence to Xal'atath just one of circumstance to fix the Dark Heart, with nothing else? I'm intrigued. Mind you this is without playing the PTR campaign, which I'm saving for launch.

[Nymrohd]

Seems to bethat way. A bit of a step down from her relationship with the Nerubians, as that one was more a promise of power compared to this one's proper exchange. I'd expect there to be more going on with it in typical Xal'atath fashion that we won't really see until 11.1.5.

It's interesting because unlike the Kaheti, the Darkfuse (if that's the correct name) don't seem to pose a threat to any civilization, not even Goblins. They don't seem to be footsoldiers or even fueling the war machine similar to the Blackfuse in WoD, just up to their own nefarious deeds. So where's the catch? Are they doing tests of black blood fueling for the Ethereals? Is there alleigence to Xal'atath just one of circumstance to fix the Dark Heart, with nothing else? I'm intrigued. Mind you this is without playing the PTR campaign, which I'm saving for launch.

Well if you did check the campaign you'd see that the Darkfuse have used Black Blood power tech to completely overwhelm the other cartels and pretty much control Undermine with the constant threat of violence. They are not YET a threat to the world at large (though they could be if allowed to consolidate) but they absolutely are a threat to Undermine. And Gazlowe was ready to give up on Undermine at every point but only changes his mind very late in the campaign after something happens

[Jolly Roger]

So is Xal'atath enlisting/hiring Gallywix to fix the broken Dark Heart for her? In return he is able to utilize the black blood as a power source for goblin tech?

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A traitor to whom?

to alleria
he is actively keeping her away from her people while pushing umbric who is essentially just his follower