Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Midnight and TLT should have a .3 patch

Why? Name me four locations in Quel'thalas that would make great raids?

[username993720]

Sweet looking designs. I know Ethereal are supposed to invoke Egyptian-like themes/cultural aspects and these look really cool.

They're not egyptian.
They're based on pre-islamic arabia.

[Enrif]

Out for good.
When they can no longer serve him.

then they still likely continue his plans, instead of making a heelfaceturn

[huth]

Out for good.
When they can no longer serve him.

That would require taking out the Nathrezim, not Denathrius. You can still serve somebody when that person is already dead, provided their plans do not require their personal presence.

[Ersula]

The Beledar crashed on the Isle of Dorn, right next to Dornogal (southwest) where there's now a cove.

We were directly told its crystalized worldsoul essence, not a spaceship. Stop.

[username993720]

then they still likely continue his plans, instead of making a heelfaceturn

There is always a faction of renegades.

That would require taking out the Nathrezim, not Denathrius. You can still serve somebody when that person is already dead, provided their plans do not require their personal presence.

And you tell me there can't be anyone who opposes him?

[Joshuaj]

1. The Beledar crashed on the Isle of Dorn, right next to Dornogal (southwest) where there's now a cove.

2. It burrowed its way through the earth until at last it reached Hallowfall, where it remained stuck in the roof.

3. It had crashed right into Xal'atath the Old God's domain.

4. The Beledar has two natural states of being, and it remains in each of them for aeons of time. At one point, it underwent "Nightfall" and turned dark.

5. Xal'atath and her minions thrived below its violet glow. The Beledar quickly became the source of their power.

6. Much later, it started periodically to brighten. Either before Xal'atath's demise, or in connection to it. Perhaps it even helped cause her defeat.

7. The Beledar was in its Light state for a long, long time, keeping the shadows at bay. Until one day, it sensed a new danger emerging. It started calling out to those who would help it fend off the Shadow. The Arathi answered the call, and here we are.

It's not a ship tho. It's implied to be a Worldsoul Crystal.

Honestly, the safe bet is to assume it's a Light infused Worldsoul Crystal. That part makes the most sense.

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And it would fit BOTH Archaedas's story, as well as the Arathi's belief

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Just like how Chronicle and the Grimoire are in regards to the Cosmic Origins, or how Velen and Tyrande are in terms of their beliefs of Elune, both can be right. Ya just gotta find a way to combine them.

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And trust me, it's VERY much possible.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Yeah because it's not like everybody has been speculating Archaedas had the wrong information or anything.

If it walks like a ducks and quacks like a duck... the Beledar is Naaru-affiliated, not worlssoul goo.

Bad information that contradicts precisely what the titans have told us before of course, revealing their plan for the worldsoul and revealing how they treated the earthens to the point where Dagran and Brinthe are shocked but obviously it's all fake because “titan”. By the way, the Threagar story is false too. You simply can't throw away elements of the ongoing story you don't want to feed your own theories. The Naaru ship story was one of the first Beledar theories since BlizzCon but it's factually wrong today and yet you persist with it. You may want to, but you might as well continue with the theories about Beledar being just the tip of Sargeras' sword in this case, because it's just as “relevant” as the space ship.

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There isn't much else it could mean. I'm not gonna assume anything definitive since it's just an old datamined file but a specific reference to "layouteditmode" and "decoreditmode" implies that we'll be customizing the rooms and structure of the house itself as well as furnishing it.

Ok it's totally crazy if they keep this feature for the final version. I'm actually kind of relieved that there will be rooms in the houses, because most houses in WoW are just one big room.

Damn, I really hope datamined files are in the version that's going to be officially released.

[Joshuaj]

Yeah because it's not like everybody has been speculating Archaedas had the wrong information or anything.

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According to Archaedas, which may or may not be true. Funny how quick everyone is to doubt the lore from Chronicles but are just as quick to gobble up whatever Archaedas says.

If it walks like a ducks and quacks like a duck... the Beledar is Naaru-affiliated, not worlssoul goo.

What do you mean? I literally say in my post that I think the Chronicle mythos is true. I just think the Shadowlands mythos is also true, and both can easily exist together.

The same applies to the different theories on Beledar's creation.

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If anything, I think y'all need to look outside the box for once, and try to combine these different narratives to make a full picture, which I believe is Blizzard's intent.

[Ersula]

Yeah because it's not like everybody has been speculating Archaedas had the wrong information or anything.

Yes, but Archaedas worked for Tyr, who otherwise dissented from Odyn's whole fictional history.

From a storytelling perspective, it doesn't make sense to give us new worldbuilding they intend to immediately invalidate. The Titan disc questlines are presented as the real objective truth of Azeroth's history so we should treat it that way.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Midnight and TLT should have a .3 patch

Sure, but this isn't going to happen due to executive decisions having been made and while we don't know the context of those decisions it is clear that this won't change anytime soon even if Midnight and TLT have clear cut issues due to this decision.

[Joshuaj]

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Bad information that contradicts precisely what the titans have told us before of course, revealing their plan for the worldsoul and revealing how they treated the earthens to the point where Dagran and Brinthe are shocked but obviously it's all fake because “titan”. By the way, the Threagar story is false too. You simply can't throw away elements of the ongoing story you don't want to feed your own theories. The Naaru ship story was one of the first Beledar theories since BlizzCon but it's factually wrong today and yet you persist with it. You may want to, but you might as well continue with the theories about Beledar being just the tip of Sargeras' sword in this case, because it's just as “relevant” as the space ship.





We're still waiting for a vast Titan conspiracy to be revealed in TLT, so I'm not sure why we'd assume anything they say up until that point is necessarily true.
It's not like everything they say has to be a lie, but it's reasonable to assume their truth might contain sprinkles of lies or half-truths. It might all still be part of that ongoing narrative they've fed Azeroth's mortals since the Shaping of Kalimdor.

We already know what "calcified worldsoul essence" looks like. It looks like blue-golden or just golden chunks or rock. We've seen it in BfA, and we've seen it on Siren Isle. The Beledar looks nothing like that.

Why would a (somewhat) naturally formed piece of rock contain runes and geometric shapes to that degree?

Why would it's impact on the roof of Hallowfall leave literal runes on the stone around it?

Why does it behave like a Naaru with its shifting from Light to Void, something we haven't seen in the worldsoul or any other pieces of it so far?

Why does it seem like it fell from above rather than being shot out from the core of the world?

Why would Voidy creatures in Hallowfall dwell below it and do not want its light to enter below the sea into their domain; if it came from below that wouldn't make sense.

I'm not saying it 100% has to be of Naaru origin, or that it definitely isn't a chunk of worldsoul essence. But it's still a possibility.

Nice statement. But, it suffers from 1 big issue: Archaedas said this information in secret, away from the other Keepers, and away from the Titans will.

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So not quite sure why he'd bullshit fully here.

[Eldryth]

It makes far more narrative sense to assume the archive can be taken at face value if you consider the purpose behind them, I think.

It's true that the Titans have turned out to be an untrustworthy source overall, but the archives seem to be the first hints we're seeing at the truth behind their big conspiracy. If it's just more lies or false information, then that kind of defeats the whole purpose here.

[Limayria]

Nice statement. But, it suffers from 1 big issue: Archaedas said this information in secret, away from the other Keepers, and away from the Titans will.

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So not quite sure why he'd bullshit fully here.

Maybe he isn't lying, maybe he's just wrong?

[Joshuaj]

He said he didn't know why he was putting it on record, didn't he. Perhaps he's being influenced to spread disinformation.

The quote about the "chunks" is as follows: "However, as we delved deeper, we encountered certain obstacles--colossal crystals which we came to realize were calcified chunks of the Worldsoul's essence."

Then the graphic shows a silhouette of the Beledar and other, more coarse, rocks.

Maybe they "came to realize" it incorrectly.
Maybe the other rocks are calcified Azerite while the Beledar is mistaken for one because it sits right among them. Like a disguise, almost.

"He was being manipulated into spreading misinformation"

Or the Worldsoul took influence on him, which made him say things that were initially meant to be kept secret? Why would the Worldsoul make him say bullshit?

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The information given to us is meant to be important for the coming expansions. Why would Blizzard do things such as lie about the Worldsoul Crystals, yet reveal important things such as the Manifold plan?

[Khaza-R]

Beledar can both be calcified worldsoul essence and a foriegn object.

Based on the art it defintely appears impacted. For all we know its actually a shard of K'aresh or something.

[Ersula]

We already know what "calcified worldsoul essence" looks like. It looks like blue-golden or just golden chunks or rock. We've seen it in BfA, and we've seen it on Siren Isle. The Beledar looks nothing like that.

Except it is. The Crystal in the Forgotten Vault on Siren's Isle, found by the valkyr, now recently among Azerite, doesn't have Azerite's imprefections; instead it looks like Beledar. Implying the Blue in azerite is caused by a flaw in its formation, and that Beledar is just a perfectly formed crystal of the same type. In fact since its reportedly dead west of Khaz Algar, the Crystal the Crystalsworn Vrykul worship might even be the top tip of Beledar.

[Joshuaj]

It's gold, but it's not the same gold as Beledar.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Otherwise, do you think there will be professions with housing? They might just give it away like that, without really integrating it into the various aspects of the game at first. But I really hope they do a minimum.

Do we really realize the impact housing can have on the game? It's a real atomic bomb. It can repopulate certain areas, but also revitalize all the old expansions with content if they add it via achievements/dungeons/raids/exploration,...

Besides, now that I think about it, given that housing is planned for the Midnight pre-patch, this expansion clearly needs something else as a big feature to offer for the expansion itself. I mean, technically they could just give away one or more houses in Stormwind and Ogrimmar (maybe even Dornogal), and for the expansion Quel'Thalas. But it doesn't sound crazy to me as a launch. I'm sure there must be something else to offer, like a race/class (or both) or another system. My money's on a class, because I can't see the ultimate Void expansion not offering a new class.

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It's likely to be a Void-themed class, but something else could work too, like spellbreakers or bards. But given that all the classes added have been themed to the expansion... then they might break the rules a bit for once, offer a class that counters the Void instead of fighting fire with fire, it would be water against fire. But Blizzard sometimes likes to stick to its philosophies rather arbitrarily, so I wouldn't bet on it.

[Nerdslime]

Woke up this morning with the realization that no tank has a bloodlust, so I bet when we get Tinker as a mechanical tank class in TWW, just like they're trialing/soft-launching with Brann in S2 delves, it will get a native bloodlust spell (possibly a loudspeaker?).

This will also help make room in class comps for non-bloodlust DPS classes which may help free up some room in the endless meta struggle.