Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

It seemed fairly clear to me. And have you explained how this is "way bigger than what he wants" ? Because, there is already some add-ons kinda doing this, so I have trouble understanding how this is a big ask.

You're free to go back and read the previous posts. It's very much not clear what he actually means since he can't seem to make up his mind on whether he wants FPS controls or just an FPS view.

[Khaza-R]

I am really hoping we get some new HVs added but I can also see them doing SW + Orgrimmar again maybe just updated

Since the original ones were about Alleria and Thrall. Maybe this time we get an Ironforge vision with a older, corrupted Dagran on the throne. And Silvermoon vision with Arathor maybe since Alleria corrupted him in the SW one.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

You're free to go back and read the previous posts. It's very much not clear what he actually means since he can't seem to make up his mind on whether he wants FPS controls or just an FPS view.

If you can't read, it looks like a reading comprehension problem.
That's just like you, not answering the heart of the matter but nitpicking semantics. I asked you a question, Zardas too, and you totally ignore it instead of answering as usual. What are you doing here?

[Cheezits]

I've written dissertations on why I think it's a terrible idea and unfitting (redundant with the titans, doesn't mesh at all with pre-Chronicles lore, a tired trope, and another instance of forcing parity between the cosmic forces actually robbing them of depth and identity, Elden Ring did it better anyway), so I'll spare you another. I'll just say I'm not looking forward to it.

The Sacred Flame is already pointing towards another take on the Light, as you said the Naaru are very similar to the post-Wrath depiction of the Titans.

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I am really hoping we get some new HVs added but I can also see them doing SW + Orgrimmar again maybe just updated

I think the cities haven't aged well graphically to the point they will not use them for premiere TWW content. I can see the visions being in Dornogal and Azj-Kahet.

Come to think of it, I think TWW may be one of the first expansions to technically not start in Stormwind/Orgrimmar. All the intro zones are Legion onwards (Gorribal Silithus and Dalaran).

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I hope the Sacred Flame is just a new incarnation of the Holy Light.

The Holy Light has been able to manifest in various ways in Warcraft's past, lore-wise and Blizzard's many different game play mechanics.

It would be a shame if, by the time we get around to going to the Arathi's home continent and they are subsequently fleshed out, the source of their Sacred Flame (and their entire history for that matter) was based on them finding some artifact/technology of titan design that simulated fire or some sort of energy source that mimicked fire... and the entire concept of the Sacred Flame was based on misplaced (or misused) titan technology.

[Alanar]

If you can't read, it looks like a reading comprehension problem.
That's just like you, not answering the heart of the matter but nitpicking semantics. I asked you a question, Zardas too, and you totally ignore it instead of answering as usual. What are you doing here?

He rarely actually respons, he just chimes in with random questions.

[Khaza-R]

I think the cities haven't aged well graphically to the point they will not use them for premiere TWW content. I can see the visions being in Dornogal and Azj-Kahet.

Come to think of it, I think TWW may be one of the first expansions to technically not start in Stormwind/Orgrimmar. All the intro zones are Legion onwards (Gorribal Silithus and Dalaran).

They could definitely use Dornogal or Mereldar. But graphics don't matter really for horrific visions. For one, they just heavily covered in void visuals. And two, the pacing is way too fast for you to really stop and admire it anyway.

[Cheezits]

Rereading into the Quel'thalas zones from TBC and there is so much variety in themes. I really hope they extend the scope of the expansion to Stratholme and Northern Lordaeron as well to get the most out of that area.

Combining Stratholme, Deathholme and the surrounding area that was planned into one big zone would be a lot of fun.

[milkmustache]

Rereading into the Quel'thalas zones from TBC and there is so much variety in themes. I really hope they extend the scope of the expansion to Stratholme and Northern Lordaeron as well to get the most out of that area.

I've been trying to view SoD as seeding potential themes for retail... if anyone has ran Crypts of Karazhan in the past day, is there a potential for some noteworthy encounters? It looks like an incredibly interesting dungeon and their approach of the dead with various cultist themes could be a nice way to return to the remaining Scourge in Northern Lordaeron and Stratholme particularly.

[Cheezits]

I've been trying to view SoD as seeding potential themes for retail... if anyone has ran Crypts of Karazhan in the past day, is there a potential for some noteworthy encounters? It looks like an incredibly interesting dungeon and their approach of the dead with various cultist themes could be a nice way to return to the remaining Scourge in Northern Lordaeron and Stratholme particularly.

There's a cultist, lich, and a dark rider.

[milkmustache]

There's a cultist, lich, and a dark rider.

As well as a shade of Medivh. All things that could be used to tie in some stories of the undead with the Void. Especially with the anniversary event for Incognitro, I feel like the themes of Karazhan are bound to come up in Midnight, which would be a lot of fun.

[Cheezits]

As well as a shade of Medivh. All things that could be used to tie in some stories of the undead with the Void. Especially with the anniversary event for Incognitro, I feel like the themes of Karazhan are bound to come up in Midnight, which would be a lot of fun.

Not to mention Karazhan fitting with the TBC theme of Midnight, just as it was used in Legion.

Maybe the crypts are turned into a raid?

[Sondrelk]

Not to mention Karazhan fitting with the TBC theme of Midnight, just as it was used in Legion.

Maybe the crypts are turned into a raid?

I doubt it. The crypts look pretty decent, but they would need a complete redesign to work as a modern raid, and that just doesnt seem realistic when Karazhan is so far away from the important stuff. More likely Legion Karazhan is reused as one of the M+ dungeons for S1 or S2.

Would have been cool though. I just think it's much more exciting to consider the possibility of a Scarlet Crusade raid or something.

[Cheezits]

I doubt it. The crypts look pretty decent, but they would need a complete redesign to work as a modern raid, and that just doesnt seem realistic when Karazhan is so far away from the important stuff. More likely Legion Karazhan is reused as one of the M+ dungeons for S1 or S2.

Would have been cool though. I just think it's much more exciting to consider the possibility of a Scarlet Crusade raid or something.

Oh yeah, I meant that the Crypt would be completely redone for retail and just be the setting of the raid. Honestly though I think it's more likely that the crypt in Zul'aman will be a raid with that old god monster, though they may go for something else as that is very close to Uldir.

Very very late realization but a post on r/wow pointed out that Vek’lor and Vek’nilash of the Qiraji may be their Ascended form.

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I also completely forgot that about the Broken tease from DF. They would have to be in Midnight for obvious reasons but also another TBC-themed addition. Maybe they are part of a new subrace system?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The Sacred Flame is already pointing towards another take on the Light, as you said the Naaru are very similar to the post-Wrath depiction of the Titans.

I think you're misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is I think the post-Legion direction of the naaru ("retarded chandelier robots", the one that's similar to the post-Wrath titans) is terrible. It doesn't mesh with their portrayal in TBC at all. I'm completely disinterested in them being more visually interesting titans, especially when the titans so far are better suited to touch on similar themes.

[Cheezits]

I think you're misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is I think the post-Legion direction of the naaru ("retarded chandelier robots", the one that's similar to the post-Wrath titans) is terrible. It doesn't mesh with their portrayal in TBC at all. I'm completely disinterested in them being more visually interesting titans, especially when the titans so far are better suited to touch on similar themes.

And I'm saying that the Sacred Flame is the first time in a while that the Light has been presented as something other than "healing/Evil Yellow Titans" so it shows Blizzard may be reconsidering their approach as to what the Light actually is. They may even redo the Naaru.

[Viridiel]

And I'm saying that the Sacred Flame is the first time in a while that the Light has been presented as something other than "healing/Evil Yellow Titans" so it shows Blizzard may be reconsidering their approach as to what the Light actually is. They may even redo the Naaru.

I think we should find out very soon how Blizzard are looking at the cosmic forces post-Shadowlands. Having an entire expansion set in the afterlife forced them to create multiple manifestations of Death that look and function very differently to one another. While I'd argue they did a pretty bad job of unifying the the separate groups under a single purpose for Death (just something vaguely about eternality despite nothing in the Shadowlands being eternal... despite time apparently not existing there...), if Palawltar's Codex and everything else to do with the Arathi is anything to go by, they're going to continue with the idea of each force having multiple (sometimes very different) facets that make up the whole. I'm expecting the haranir to provide a similar insight into a different approach to Life, since all we really have at the moment is the Primals and the Emerald Dream, and by all rights Midnight should continue the trend with Light and Shadow. It should continue with Order and Disorder in the Last Titan too, based on what little we know.

The naaru definitely occupy a dubious space ever since they were connected with Elune. I don't think they'll be redone, but they might be supplanted as the closest thing in the universe to pure Light. By all rights, lightspawn should be the Great Dark Beyond's Light representatives.

[Jolly Roger]

Are you so sure about that? She and her golden retriever spent a thousand years traveling across the Twisting Nether. We know very little about what they know or what they saw during that time.

other than the book

[Auxis]

Has anyone seen what Lightning Rod's new visuals look like in 11.1? I feel like I completely glossed over it, and I think everyone else has because I've not seen it showcased or highlighted in videos on YT. The only time I've seen LR is in this one and it looks too similar to the Live version unless I'm mistaken.

SHAMAN
The initial shield from Stone Bulwark Totem is no longer dispellable. The repeating shields will continue to be dispellable.
Elemental
Ascendance now requires a target to cast. Flame Shock and Lava Burst from casting it will always hit your primary target.
Lightning Rod’s visual has been updated.
Enhancement
Lava Lash damage reduced by 20%.
Doom Winds damage now scales with Mastery: Enhanced Elements.
Voltaic Blaze damage now scales with Mastery: Enhanced Elements.
Lightning Rod’s visual has been updated.
An issue causing Maelstrom Weapon spenders to remove a stack of Winning Streak! has been resolved.

[Lady Atia]

I think we should find out very soon how Blizzard are looking at the cosmic forces post-Shadowlands. Having an entire expansion set in the afterlife forced them to create multiple manifestations of Death that look and function very differently to one another. While I'd argue they did a pretty bad job of unifying the the separate groups under a single purpose for Death (just something vaguely about eternality despite nothing in the Shadowlands being eternal... despite time apparently not existing there...), if Palawltar's Codex and everything else to do with the Arathi is anything to go by, they're going to continue with the idea of each force having multiple (sometimes very different) facets that make up the whole. I'm expecting the haranir to provide a similar insight into a different approach to Life, since all we really have at the moment is the Primals and the Emerald Dream, and by all rights Midnight should continue the trend with Light and Shadow. It should continue with Order and Disorder in the Last Titan too, based on what little we know.

The naaru definitely occupy a dubious space ever since they were connected with Elune. I don't think they'll be redone, but they might be supplanted as the closest thing in the universe to pure Light. By all rights, lightspawn should be the Great Dark Beyond's Light representatives.

Of course they will continue to have different facets for each force, because otherwise it would get boring pretty fast. You can't get creative if everything Light connected HAS to be naaru or naaru looking. Also, if you have another expansion focusing on one (or two) cosmic forces you really have to expand the colour schemes because you can't do a whole expansion just being purple/yellow/green, as seen by their approach with Legion (not only Shadowlands did that btw, but oc people will hate against Shadowlands even though the looks/lore was NOT the problem, but the fucking content draught was ....).