Midnight 12.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

- Multiple "Shards of Light" or whatever we want to call them were sent to Azeroth in ages past. Perhaps from An'she.
- They can be used for good or for evil, and depending on their state they will benefit the Light or the Shadow. Pretty much like Naaru.
- The Beledar, the one used to make Light's Wrath, the one on Siren Isle, etc., they all come from the same source, the same "meteor shower," if you will.
- Xal'atath was quick to use the Beledar back in the day, while the other, smaller crystals have met different fates.
- Archaedas was manipulated into telling us a different story. Perhaps he had his memory altered by the Titans, by Odyn, or by agents of the Void.

We all understand that you love your headcanon, but please stop spamming it. You won't get more members. Please move on.

[Ersula]

On a serious note, apparently the Priest Discipline artifact was made from some powerful crystal found in the Eastern Kingdoms.

With very little evidence to back this up, I'll go ahead and suggest the following:

- Multiple "Shards of Light" or whatever we want to call them were sent to Azeroth in ages past. Perhaps from An'she.
- They can be used for good or for evil, and depending on their state they will benefit the Light or the Shadow. Pretty much like Naaru.
- The Beledar, the one used to make Light's Wrath, the one on Siren Isle, etc., they all come from the same source, the same "meteor shower," if you will.
- Xal'atath was quick to use the Beledar back in the day, while the other, smaller crystals have met different fates.
- Archaedas was manipulated into telling us a different story. Perhaps he had his memory altered by the Titans, by Odyn, or by agents of the Void.

Except the crystal used in Light's Wrath isn't like the Beledar at all: It's a scourge relic.

[Enrif]

The shard for Light's Wrath is similar to the one used in the Ashbringer. Light's wrath was the scarlets attempt to recreate a weapon like the ashbringer.

but looking at the imaginary of the staff and its lore, it is somewhat reminiscent of hallowfall. At the core of it, like hallowfall is a crystal.The staff has a fire motive going on, like the sacred flame of the arathi. And the story of a dark crystal cleansed by the light to be then a powerful artefact of the light. This could explain the dark crystal in the nerubian mural. Perhaps, Beledar, at the start, was something like the crystal for ashbringer/light's wrath, but on a much much grander scale. And ti being purified by the light of the worldsoul could make sense, and give credence to the world soul being light aligned as a basis, calling back the shards of light origin of the cosmos.

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Also, the kobyss of hallow fall are necromancers after all, and we see light bound undead in the priory. Perhaps Beledar was, at the start something death aligned?

[Cheezits]

Interesting- the new goblin rep tokens are tied to 11.1.5 for whatever reason.

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[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Hey, at least I'm trying to contribute something constructive to this discussion about possible future lore, rather than act like a dick.

You are excessively presumptuous and you insult on top of that.
The fact is that for several pages you've been repeating exactly the same thing, there's nothing constructive about it.

[Nymrohd]

The shard for Light's Wrath is similar to the one used in the Ashbringer. Light's wrath was the scarlets attempt to recreate a weapon like the ashbringer.

but looking at the imaginary of the staff and its lore, it is somewhat reminiscent of hallowfall. At the core of it, like hallowfall is a crystal.The staff has a fire motive going on, like the sacred flame of the arathi. And the story of a dark crystal cleansed by the light to be then a powerful artefact of the light. This could explain the dark crystal in the nerubian mural. Perhaps, Beledar, at the start, was something like the crystal for ashbringer/light's wrath, but on a much much grander scale. And ti being purified by the light of the worldsoul could make sense, and give credence to the world soul being light aligned as a basis, calling back the shards of light origin of the cosmos.

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Also, the kobyss of hallow fall are necromancers after all, and we see light bound undead in the priory. Perhaps Beledar was, at the start something death aligned?

Perhaps because Hallowfall itself is derivative to the lore we have had so far about the Light on Azeroth. Which is perfectly fine, it is supposed to be so that it feels integrated in the lore. There is a reason people saw the Beledar and though "Naaru Vessel". It looks like one and it is named like one.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

Enjoy your day sir, there's no need for the two of us to interact directly any further (nor derail the topic).

Yeah this will be my last post.

Don't take what I said the wrong way. Normally I really enjoy reading your theories that you just throw into the thread from time to time. Here I think you're pushing it a bit too hard, that's all. Sometimes we can disagree, but don't take it personally.

[Cheezits]

Beledar isn't even relevant to the next two expansions unless there is a crystal underneath the sunwell.

Post-TLT Arathi Empire saga? Sure.

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It's just what life is like as a Blizzard lore fan, haha. The game gives us new lore every 2 months at best, so we have to invent our own source of entertainment in the interim.

The new content cadence has resurrected the game entirely, bugs or no bugs. The fact that we had to wait almost a year for lore in Shadowlands was insane.

[Enteroctopus Magnificus]

It's just what life is like as a Blizzard lore fan, haha. The game gives us new lore every 2 months at best, so we have to invent our own source of entertainment in the interim.

But is it just me, or does it feel like TWW season 1 is never-ending? I didn't feel that way during DF. I just want to ride in Undermine, come on Blizzard...

[Enrif]

Beledar isn't even relevant to the next two expansions unless there is a crystal underneath the sunwell.

Would it help that there is a crystal IN the sunwell?



fun trivia about muru

M'uru's name could be derived from Babylonian "nūru", meaning "fire".

[Ersula]

I just want to point out since this is a fantasy setting, there are magical crystals of wildly different origins everywhere. Fantasy as a genre loves crystals. But you're just wasting your time if Metzen is going to give us some sort of unified crystal theory.

[Cheezits]

But is it just me, or does it feel like TWW season 1 is never-ending? I didn't feel that way during DF. I just want to ride in Undermine, come on Blizzard...

Combination of a better expansion on the horizon and the first patch to take place in Old Azeroth in forever coming up in a few weeks. Good riddance to OC magic islands that appear out of nowhere. Once we get Rootlands out of the way we should be safe for a few years until Avaloren.

TWW is a good expansion and a solid leg up from DF, but Midnight has ridiculous potential but just from housing but the first true world revamp since BFA warfronts.

[Foolicious]

But is it just me, or does it feel like TWW season 1 is never-ending? I didn't feel that way during DF. I just want to ride in Undermine, come on Blizzard...

Definetly. It feels that way because no one is playing. M+ was doomed from the start and dead after two months, mythic raiding is on its last leg. Siren isle is fine. But no one came back just for this. Especially since the ring was locked for six weeks and it was the first patch in years without any class changes.

It also doesn't help that we still have no official release date for 11.1 which makes it feels like this season will run forever.

Has anyone seen what Lightning Rod's new visuals look like in 11.1? I feel like I completely glossed over it, and I think everyone else has because I've not seen it showcased or highlighted in videos on YT. The only time I've seen LR is in this one and it looks too similar to the Live version unless I'm mistaken.

Lightning rod was changed a bit later than the other visuals so in most of these videos you see the old animation. It's different now on the ptr. A bit more subtle and less 2d like the new lightning bolt.

[Ersula]

It also doesn't help that we still have no official release date for 11.1 which makes it feels like this season will run forever.

We all assumed 11.1 would come out at the end of the Timewalking event, so last week of Feb or first week of March. So the date announcement will probably be in a week or so.

[Cheezits]

Definetly. It feels that way because no one is playing. M+ was doomed from the start and dead after two months, mythic raiding is on its last leg.

I'm pretty sure a lot of players are just doing delves, meta achievement stuff, and then playing other games if they aren't running old comments.

Mythic raiding and raiding in general has been getting steadily less popular which I think is one of the reasons they are trying raid renown. M+ had a rough season and it needed fixes, but as it is a friend/PUG only activity it's bound to be less popular than solo and queue activities.

I would be interested to see the numbers on BG Blitz and I think if they add a queue for M+ it will get a lot more popular.

[Kiivar86]

February trading post is Lunar Festival themed, one of the items is a pet, that red panda model that was first seen in the Chinese server side of things, as I recall.

[milkmustache]

If this is indicative of some themes we'll be seeing from the Thalassians in Midnight, I'm super happy with the direction. (From February's Trading Post.)

[AOL Instant Messenger]

The naaru definitely occupy a dubious space ever since they were connected with Elune. I don't think they'll be redone, but they might be supplanted as the closest thing in the universe to pure Light. By all rights, lightspawn should be the Great Dark Beyond's Light representatives.

Pushing the more interesting outsiders aside in favor of dyed blobs would be a surely effective and succinct summary of the Chronicles chart's consequences.

[Cheezits]

If this is indicative of some themes we'll be seeing from the Thalassians in Midnight, I'm super happy with the direction. (From February's Trading Post.)

I would say it's just a cheeky SMC-reskin of a generic magical girl themed item, but they also added a (unused) High Elf blue and silver recolor. So maybe not.

I can see them leaning onto some Hearthstone Dalaran Harry Potter-esque vibes for a rehaul of Silvermoon. Hence flying brooms.

[milkmustache]

I would say it's just a cheeky SMC-reskin of a generic magical girl themed item, but they also added a (unused) High Elf blue and silver recolor. So maybe not.

I can see them leaning onto some Hearthstone Dalaran Harry Potter-esque vibes for a rehaul of Silvermoon. Hence flying brooms.

Right, I think by it being a trading post item it's not making the cut for Midnight, but I think it's a good visual of what we can expect in terms of art style and assets for Midnight. They seem very similar to the mana wyrms and tents from DF, which I think is a great sign. This is very loyal to the original Silvermoon style, and I'm happy to see that. A minor thing, but a nice little look.

I think the magical items have always sort of been in theme for the Blood Elves. I believe there were already magical floating brooms sweeping around Eversong. Same with Suramar, the little sweeping arcane constructs.